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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2018 11:28:43 GMT -8
Glove you are spot on, not sure why, but this blog is full of members who don't seem to believe the Beavers can be successfully in sports (even though football is the only one we suck at now). Hell, you even have guys who consistently rag on their own school (jdogge), and other people who claim OSU doesn't have money (a notion pumped by duck fans and duck media), which cause more blind members to follow the "we don't have money, we can't compete, our facilities suck blah blah...". The latter is funny since we just shelled out $47 million on the VFC and are in the process of starting the $300 million completion of Reser... Lastly, the mediocre fans who are "extatic" about Riley is sickening, that guy is the opposite of a winner, rode DE's coat tails, lost crucial winnable games, lost CW 7 years in a row, allowed OSU to become "little brother ", QUIT ON THE BEAVERS TWICE, and he couldn't win at NEBRASKA..... oh and he also covered a rape, so if you think he's a good guy that's fine, I think he is an opportunistic person who hopes JS will fail so he can be the head coach again putting minimal effort in hopes of getting to .500 while enjoying being "semi-retired" with Wife Dee in good Ol' Vallis. JS didn't ask Riley to come on, Riley ASKED for a job!!! DE would never pull a snake move like that and steal all the limelight from JS, which is what has happened, now fans talk about Riley more than our new head coach which is extremely disturbing and distracting, who's driving the boat? Way to go sideways into an epic Riley rant...did he steal your girlfriend?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 11:45:44 GMT -8
That ^^^^^^^ I was about to chime in with something similar. Circled from OSU should be able to excel to the lowest common denominator MR hater full of hot air signifying absolutely NOTHING!
Guess he's not supporting CJS then? Lol
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 9, 2018 11:47:01 GMT -8
Way to go sideways into an epic Riley rant...did he steal your girlfriend? bicycle?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 11:51:06 GMT -8
Way to go sideways into an epic Riley rant...did he steal your girlfriend? bicycle? Ya... it sux to have the matching helmet and no bike! 😁
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 9, 2018 12:07:08 GMT -8
Sure, OSU spends some money on facilities or gives coaches here and there, but it still has the lowest football budget in the league. I wonder how basketball compares?
To expect regularly competing for championships out of the program that gets the least financial support in the league is a little loopy.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 12:13:44 GMT -8
Sure, OSU spends some money on facilities or gives coaches here and there, but it still has the lowest football budget in the league. I wonder how basketball compares? To expect regularly competing for championships out of the program that gets the least financial support in the league is a little loopy. How about competing for... the top 4-6 spots? How about 20 wins with the weak arse scheduling? How about recruiting a COMPLETE ROSTER so one (key as it may be other teams face the same type injuries) injury doesn't leave multiple walk ons playing significant minutes and there is true competition for PT? Just to name a few. YOU need a big budget to have those expectations?
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 9, 2018 12:28:36 GMT -8
Sure, OSU spends some money on facilities or gives coaches here and there, but it still has the lowest football budget in the league. I wonder how basketball compares? To expect regularly competing for championships out of the program that gets the least financial support in the league is a little loopy. How about competing for... the top 4-6 spots? How about 20 wins with the weak arse scheduling? How about recruiting a COMPLETE ROSTER so one (key as it may be other teams face the same type injuries) injury doesn't leave multiple walk ons playing significant minutes and there is true competition for PT? Just to name a few. YOU need a big budget to have those expectations? Well, he was 7th in year one, 6th in year 2. then had a disaster. lets see how year 4 goes. So far, tied for first. I would not be stunned to see him top half of the league, which would meet your first criteria. the inability to pull in a semi qualified PG is vexing though.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 9, 2018 12:30:44 GMT -8
Sure, OSU spends some money on facilities or gives coaches here and there, but it still has the lowest football budget in the league. I wonder how basketball compares? To expect regularly competing for championships out of the program that gets the least financial support in the league is a little loopy. How about competing for... the top 4-6 spots? How about 20 wins with the weak arse scheduling? How about recruiting a COMPLETE ROSTER so one (key as it may be other teams face the same type injuries) injury doesn't leave multiple walk ons playing significant minutes and there is true competition for PT? Just to name a few. YOU need a big budget to have those expectations? [ One injury? So you’re going to ignore the 3 other big men that were injured during the year? Add in Bruce flunking out and Duvivier leaving and the roster was decimated last year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 9, 2018 12:40:33 GMT -8
How about competing for... the top 4-6 spots? How about 20 wins with the weak arse scheduling? How about recruiting a COMPLETE ROSTER so one (key as it may be other teams face the same type injuries) injury doesn't leave multiple walk ons playing significant minutes and there is true competition for PT? Just to name a few. YOU need a big budget to have those expectations? [ One injury? So you’re going to ignore the 3 other big men that were injured during the year? Add in Bruce flunking out and Duvivier leaving and the roster was decimated last year. Three of those were known well ahead. And, I'm not sure what HC would develop depth with the history of CN and DG. MD leaving was known very early on and no PG recruited to this day. Even the 2019 recruit is another skinny SG. So his own recruit flunking out isn't a reflection on the HC at all? The very real rumor DB was leaving despite grades/caused grades... since he rarely saw the floor/meaningful minutes until late in the season? The over playing of Drew early and absolute zero development of Big Gn early on is on?? Look... I'm not a fire WT guy. But, this dance excuse vs an objective look at what WT had truly done is bogus. The last three games are much improved, but are the absolute outliers of the previous 44...
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 9, 2018 12:54:33 GMT -8
[ One injury? So you’re going to ignore the 3 other big men that were injured during the year? Add in Bruce flunking out and Duvivier leaving and the roster was decimated last year. Three of those were known well ahead. And, I'm not sure what HC would develop depth with the history of CN and DG. MD leaving was known very early on and no PG recruited to this day. Even the 2019 recruit is another skinny SG. So his own recruit flunking out isn't a reflection on the HC at all? The very real rumor DB was leaving despite grades/caused grades... since he rarely saw the floor/meaningful minutes until late in the season? The over playing of Drew early and absolute zero development of Big Gn early on is on?? Look... I'm not a fire WT guy. But, this dance excuse vs an objective look at what WT had truly done is bogus. The last three games are much improved, but are the absolute outliers of the previous 44... Big G was injured last year as well. I actually think he has improved quite a bit. Just needs to stay healthy and he will get more minutes.
Oh....and CR said that N'jeigh was going to be so good that he wouldn't be here for more than 3 years. While he was referring to NBA potential (laughable), I guess he was actually right since CN has been injured so much.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 9, 2018 14:18:01 GMT -8
I'm not really following why there's so much debate on WT. Do some really think WT has proven he's an amazing coach and should be given a 10 year contract with a massive raise? Because the only alternative opinion here seems to be that some of us are not convinced that WT can get and keep us in the upper-half of the Pac-12 consistently. Has he done a fine job to date? Generally, I think so. Has he had some success? Yes, a one-and-done Dance trip was an amazing achievement, given the history. Has he had some misses? Yes, and most are pretty understandable, although last year was epically bad, regardless of circumstances - established programs weather that type of storm much better than we did.
I'm not pining for a new coach. But I will be if we aren't trending towards Dancing again. I'm appeased with the recent trend in that direction, but our pre-season generally did not trend that way. And I'm concerned that our recruiting does not appear to be positioning us to establish ourselves in the upper half of the conference either long-term. Ultimately, I don't care about having a basketball program that isn't embarrassing, I'm interested in a program that's worth getting excited about. If that's not happening/not trending to happening, then for me change is needed.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 9, 2018 15:27:21 GMT -8
How about competing for... the top 4-6 spots? How about 20 wins with the weak arse scheduling? How about recruiting a COMPLETE ROSTER so one (key as it may be other teams face the same type injuries) injury doesn't leave multiple walk ons playing significant minutes and there is true competition for PT? Just to name a few. YOU need a big budget to have those expectations? Well, he was 7th in year one, 6th in year 2. then had a disaster. lets see how year 4 goes. So far, tied for first. I would not be stunned to see him top half of the league, which would meet your first criteria. the inability to pull in a semi qualified PG is vexing though. That first year the Beavs were picked to finish dead last in the league by the predictions I found. Did about as predicted as far as position in the league year two, although I think most people fid not expect a NCAA invite preseason that year. I didn't look up last year's predictions, I assume we didn't meet them between defections and injuries. As to the recruiting brought up by baseba11 and others.. Tinkle said early on he was going to try to balance out the recruiting classes instead of just loading up year one or two because he had scholarships available. He took the long term approach, which I would applaud him for. It has stung early on, but he could have in theory brought in a bunch of space fillers that we'd be stuck with and have a perpetual problem every few years, or he would have had to go the one and done route for a few years and not really fixed the long term recruiting issue. Two failed well regarded point guard recruits is a disappointment, but I don't know how you fix that right away. Would not surprise me if we have an add on to this current class at some point.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 9, 2018 15:28:47 GMT -8
I'm not really following why there's so much debate on WT. Do some really think WT has proven he's an amazing coach and should be given a 10 year contract with a massive raise? Because the only alternative opinion here seems to be that some of us are not convinced that WT can get and keep us in the upper-half of the Pac-12 consistently. Has he done a fine job to date? Generally, I think so. Has he had some success? Yes, a one-and-done Dance trip was an amazing achievement, given the history. Has he had some misses? Yes, and most are pretty understandable, although last year was epically bad, regardless of circumstances - established programs weather that type of storm much better than we did. I'm not pining for a new coach. But I will be if we aren't trending towards Dancing again. I'm appeased with the recent trend in that direction, but our pre-season generally did not trend that way. And I'm concerned that our recruiting does not appear to be positioning us to establish ourselves in the upper half of the conference either long-term. Ultimately, I don't care about having a basketball program that isn't embarrassing, I'm interested in a program that's worth getting excited about. If that's not happening/not trending to happening, then for me change is needed. Hyperbole abound on message boards. I think the only debate I am trying to have is #fireTinkle is fully moronic. I do not think he has earned an extension either, maybe a token one year under standard incremental increase conditions at best. doing such gestures helps recruiting... So to say anybody is clamoring for a 10 year bazillion dollar extension is silly. But I do not think he is as bad as some want to paint him. I do not think he is failing to develop talent and I do not think his coaching and schemes are trash. I think he appears to do a decent game day job as well. I do have recruiting concerns. When you look at OSU kids recruited by Tinkle, (sort of class of '15, class of '16, class of '17) what do you have when you subtract out the coaches kids? Big G, Eubanks, Kendal Manuel and Derrick Bruce in '15 Dew, JaQuori, Kone in '16 Hollins, Reichle (Seth as a transfer) in '17 Bruce, Jaquori and Dew are flops and not with the program. Big G has had injury issues, same with Kone Hollins, Reichle and Manuel are bench players... though Manuel and Hollins have both show promise. Berger has earned a starting role. Only Eubanks is a clear cut win and a star.
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Post by seastape on Jan 9, 2018 16:06:40 GMT -8
I'm not really following why there's so much debate on WT. Do some really think WT has proven he's an amazing coach and should be given a 10 year contract with a massive raise? Because the only alternative opinion here seems to be that some of us are not convinced that WT can get and keep us in the upper-half of the Pac-12 consistently. Has he done a fine job to date? Generally, I think so. Has he had some success? Yes, a one-and-done Dance trip was an amazing achievement, given the history. Has he had some misses? Yes, and most are pretty understandable, although last year was epically bad, regardless of circumstances - established programs weather that type of storm much better than we did. I'm not pining for a new coach. But I will be if we aren't trending towards Dancing again. I'm appeased with the recent trend in that direction, but our pre-season generally did not trend that way. And I'm concerned that our recruiting does not appear to be positioning us to establish ourselves in the upper half of the conference either long-term. Ultimately, I don't care about having a basketball program that isn't embarrassing, I'm interested in a program that's worth getting excited about. If that's not happening/not trending to happening, then for me change is needed. Hyperbole abound on message boards. I think the only debate I am trying to have is #fireTinkle is fully moronic. I do not think he has earned an extension either, maybe a token one year under standard incremental increase conditions at best. doing such gestures helps recruiting... So to say anybody is clamoring for a 10 year bazillion dollar extension is silly. But I do not think he is as bad as some want to paint him. I do not think he is failing to develop talent and I do not think his coaching and schemes are trash. I think he appears to do a decent game day job as well. I do have recruiting concerns. When you look at OSU kids recruited by Tinkle, (sort of class of '15, class of '16, class of '17) what do you have when you subtract out the coaches kids? Big G, Eubanks, Kendal Manuel and Derrick Bruce in '15 Dew, JaQuori, Kone in '16 Hollins, Reichle (Seth as a transfer) in '17 Bruce, Jaquori and Dew are flops and not with the program. Big G has had injury issues, same with Kone Hollins, Reichle and Manuel are bench players... though Manuel and Hollins have both show promise. Berger has earned a starting role. Only Eubanks is a clear cut win and a star. I agree with a lot of what you say but might find a little more forgiveness in recruiting. I think Bruce was especially unfortunate because by the end of his freshman year I thought he was the best player on the team outside of Payton. That is probably untrue; Bruce has not set the world on fire anywhere else, but I think with development he could have been a solid PG for OSU by the end of his career and OSU right now needs a solid, even only decent, point guard more than anything.
Jaquori is another tough one; all signs were that he could play. There is a part of me that wonders if last year didn't suck the soul out of a lot of the players and perhaps particularly Jaquori. He looked lost. It is possible that he had a bad attitude and dragged down the rest of team; they have done well since he left.
Injuries...I think the only one you can really point to Coach Tinkle on is Kone. On the other hand, Kone was so good in high school that it was probably worth a school like OSU taking a shot despite his injuries. The guy may still have some stuff in the future.
I think it is arguable that Tinkle is the best coach that we have had since Ralph Miller. I like next year's recruiting class, although once again, we need a point. Otherwise, there's some good bigs coming in. Someone wrote a review on this thread that made Wilson seem mediocre; I don't think I agree with that. I think he will be a strong Pac 12 player.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 9, 2018 17:24:09 GMT -8
I'm not really following why there's so much debate on WT. Do some really think WT has proven he's an amazing coach and should be given a 10 year contract with a massive raise? Because the only alternative opinion here seems to be that some of us are not convinced that WT can get and keep us in the upper-half of the Pac-12 consistently. Has he done a fine job to date? Generally, I think so. Has he had some success? Yes, a one-and-done Dance trip was an amazing achievement, given the history. Has he had some misses? Yes, and most are pretty understandable, although last year was epically bad, regardless of circumstances - established programs weather that type of storm much better than we did. I'm not pining for a new coach. But I will be if we aren't trending towards Dancing again. I'm appeased with the recent trend in that direction, but our pre-season generally did not trend that way. And I'm concerned that our recruiting does not appear to be positioning us to establish ourselves in the upper half of the conference either long-term. Ultimately, I don't care about having a basketball program that isn't embarrassing, I'm interested in a program that's worth getting excited about. If that's not happening/not trending to happening, then for me change is needed. Hyperbole abound on message boards. I think the only debate I am trying to have is #fireTinkle is fully moronic. I do not think he has earned an extension either, maybe a token one year under standard incremental increase conditions at best. doing such gestures helps recruiting... So to say anybody is clamoring for a 10 year bazillion dollar extension is silly. But I do not think he is as bad as some want to paint him. I do not think he is failing to develop talent and I do not think his coaching and schemes are trash. I think he appears to do a decent game day job as well. I do have recruiting concerns. When you look at OSU kids recruited by Tinkle, (sort of class of '15, class of '16, class of '17) what do you have when you subtract out the coaches kids? Big G, Eubanks, Kendal Manuel and Derrick Bruce in '15 Dew, JaQuori, Kone in '16 Hollins, Reichle (Seth as a transfer) in '17 Bruce, Jaquori and Dew are flops and not with the program. Big G has had injury issues, same with Kone Hollins, Reichle and Manuel are bench players... though Manuel and Hollins have both show promise. Berger has earned a starting role. Only Eubanks is a clear cut win and a star. So they're coach's kids... you just removed three of our top 4 players in three classes. If you remove 3 of our top 4 in any three year period our team would be hurting. Name one coach in the last 28 years or so who would have a better list of kids left than that current list after having three of their top four kids removed. I'm not sure if any coach we've had in that time period has kept two players the quality of TT and ST together for 2-3 years. It's not like OSU is used to being loaded with top100 high school players the last three decades, heck maybe ever.
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