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Post by thetruebeav on Jan 7, 2018 15:45:02 GMT -8
Baseba1111 but HE WAS the coach when we went to the dance. Robinson had Payton the yr b4 and we didn't go. Didn't sniff it with John or McKay. We turned our program over every 5 years just like football when it was in its low. Once again, he isn't perfect but there is only one in the entire West and it's Few. Last yr Tinkle would say is unacceptable and I'm not saying to sign him up for a lifetime contract. What I am saying is we have a coach that HAS & can be successfull. [ Payton never played for Robinson. He recruited him here originally, but Tinkle had to re-recruit him his 1st year. Judge.... thank you. You are correct on that.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 7, 2018 16:00:50 GMT -8
However, being the HC when OSU is invited to the dance is hardly criteria to make him a quantity HC. The player largely responsible was not his recruit...
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So 1111, are you saying DE should get no credit for the Fiesta Bowl? After all, the players largely responsible (Smith, Simonton, the OL, TJ, Marty Maurer, the Presidents, James Allen, Calvin Carlyle, Dennis Weathersby, Keith Heyward, Mike Fessler, Ryan Cesca, Patrick McCall) were Riley recruits.
GPII never played a second for Craig Robinson. He is a Tinkle-developed player.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2018 16:03:01 GMT -8
However, being the HC when OSU is invited to the dance is hardly criteria to make him a quantity HC. The player largely responsible was not his recruit... ========================== So 1111, are you saying DE should get no credit for the Fiesta Bowl? After all, the players largely responsible (Smith, Simonton, the OL, TJ, Marty Maurer, the Presidents, James Allen, Calvin Carlyle, Dennis Weathersby, Keith Heyward, Mike Fessler, Ryan Cesca, Patrick McCall) were Riley recruits. GPII never played a second for Craig Robinson. He is a Tinkle-developed player. JFC!! QUOTE FUNCTION MY MAN.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 7, 2018 16:25:38 GMT -8
However, being the HC when OSU is invited to the dance is hardly criteria to make him a quantity HC. The player largely responsible was not his recruit... ========================== So 1111, are you saying DE should get no credit for the Fiesta Bowl? After all, the players largely responsible (Smith, Simonton, the OL, TJ, Marty Maurer, the Presidents, James Allen, Calvin Carlyle, Dennis Weathersby, Keith Heyward, Mike Fessler, Ryan Cesca, Patrick McCall) were Riley recruits. GPII never played a second for Craig Robinson. He is a Tinkle-developed player. Dude... there is even a large button... your continuous want to be contentious is quite funny. But, back to the point you didn't (and rarely) make. DE had quite a resume before that season and had successes after. Comparison of WT and DE is about as childish as your continued non use of the quote feature. Next... never said "no credit". But, facts often escape you when you're trying to make ludicrous points. I said, that the fact OSU went to a tourney doesn't outweigh the other glaring weaknesses that in year 4 are still a problem.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2018 16:45:42 GMT -8
He is a Tinkle-developed player. Wayne Tinkle developed GP2? I'll disagree. Wayne Tinkle may have deployed or utilized GP2 in an effective manner. But to say he "developed" GP2 is a stretch. But, I'm easily swayed. What part of GP2's game did WT develop?
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Post by thetruebeav on Jan 7, 2018 17:05:27 GMT -8
He is a Tinkle-developed player. Wayne Tinkle developed GP2? I'll disagree. Wayne Tinkle may have deployed or utilized GP2 in an effective manner. But to say he "developed" GP2 is a stretch. But, I'm easily swayed. What part of GP2's game did WT develop? This is a silly internet- fan board argument. Of course Tinkle had an influence on any player he has coached and any player brought a ton of his game already. Deep breath ya'll. Stay on course. I agree w beaverfever as I'm not ready to start throwing extensions but come on now... How are we not in better shape in hoops then the last 30 years?!?! Let's rally around a coach that is active in the community & Beav nation, has had 2 out of 3 winning season with a 4th most likely coming, embraces the history of Beav basketball & is someone that runs a program we can be proud of. Jeez ladies & gentleman don't we all have other beefs?!?! Go BEAVS!!!
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Post by justdamwin on Jan 7, 2018 17:14:34 GMT -8
He is a Tinkle-developed player. Wayne Tinkle developed GP2? I'll disagree. Wayne Tinkle may have deployed or utilized GP2 in an effective manner. But to say he "developed" GP2 is a stretch. But, I'm easily swayed. What part of GP2's game did WT develop? Jump shot
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2018 17:53:45 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle developed GP2? I'll disagree. Wayne Tinkle may have deployed or utilized GP2 in an effective manner. But to say he "developed" GP2 is a stretch. But, I'm easily swayed. What part of GP2's game did WT develop? This is a silly internet- fan board argument. Of course Tinkle had an influence on any player he has coached and any player brought a ton of his game already. Deep breath ya'll. Stay on course. I agree w beaverfever as I'm not ready to start throwing extensions but come on now... How are we not in better shape in hoops then the last 30 years?!?! Let's rally around a coach that is active in the community & Beav nation, has had 2 out of 3 winning season with a 4th most likely coming, embraces the history of Beav basketball & is someone that runs a program we can be proud of. Jeez ladies & gentleman don't we all have other beefs?!?! Go BEAVS!!! Ok. Let’s just shut this place down. It’s silly.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 7, 2018 17:55:37 GMT -8
When GPII came to Corvallis he was a JC guard with few, if any, other DI offers. When he left, he was a two-time Pac-12 all-star, the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and an NBA free agent signee who made an NBA roster his first year out of college.
But of course there was no player/character development whatsoever by the staff to help make that possible. It was all a miracle!
As for 7-11, keep talking in circles. Your White House-like self-puffery is the source of endless amusement for myself and many others here.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2018 17:56:32 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle developed GP2? I'll disagree. Wayne Tinkle may have deployed or utilized GP2 in an effective manner. But to say he "developed" GP2 is a stretch. But, I'm easily swayed. What part of GP2's game did WT develop? Jump shot OK.
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Post by babeav on Jan 7, 2018 18:20:16 GMT -8
The original Gary Payton likes Tinks......good enough for me
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Post by seastape on Jan 7, 2018 18:45:56 GMT -8
When GPII came to Corvallis he was a JC guard with few, if any, other DI offers. When he left, he was a two-time Pac-12 all-star, the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and an NBA free agent signee who made an NBA roster his first year out of college. But of course there was no player/character development whatsoever by the staff to help make that possible. It was all a miracle! As for 7-11, keep talking in circles. Your White House-like self-puffery is the source of endless amusement for myself and many others here. Payton II was offered at least by ASU, Seton Hall, and Saint Mary's, according to Rivals. I believe that other teams were interested, as well. But...yes, Tinkle does deserve credit for advancing Payton II's game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 7, 2018 18:56:52 GMT -8
When GPII came to Corvallis he was a JC guard with few, if any, other DI offers. When he left, he was a two-time Pac-12 all-star, the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and an NBA free agent signee who made an NBA roster his first year out of college. But of course there was no player/character development whatsoever by the staff to help make that possible. It was all a miracle! As for 7-11, keep talking in circles. Your White House-like self-puffery is the source of endless amusement for myself and many others here. Payton II was offered at least by ASU, Seton Hall, and Saint Mary's, according to Rivals. I believe that other teams were interested, as well. But...yes, Tinkle does deserve credit for advancing Payton II's game. I'd only argue... if GPII's development was even partially on WT... where is that said development since? Not even Drew, a fellow big man, is significantly better. Drew and the bigs is where I thought we'd see vast improvement. PS- GPII shoots pretty much a set shot... very little lift... and it looks the same as it does in his HS and JC tapes. And WT typically does not do the individual work with the guards.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 7, 2018 18:58:13 GMT -8
When GPII came to Corvallis he was a JC guard with few, if any, other DI offers. When he left, he was a two-time Pac-12 all-star, the Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year, and an NBA free agent signee who made an NBA roster his first year out of college. But of course there was no player/character development whatsoever by the staff to help make that possible. It was all a miracle! As for 7-11, keep talking in circles. Your White House-like self-puffery is the source of endless amusement for myself and many others here. You continue to be proven incorrect... by multiple posters! Lol... circles indeed.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2018 19:03:04 GMT -8
Payton II was offered at least by ASU, Seton Hall, and Saint Mary's, according to Rivals. I believe that other teams were interested, as well. But...yes, Tinkle does deserve credit for advancing Payton II's game. I'd only argue... if GPII's development was even partially on WT... where is that said development since? Not even Drew, a fellow big man, is significantly better. Drew and the bigs is where I thought we'd see vast improvement. PS- GPII shoots pretty much a set shot... very little lift... and it looks the same as it does in his HS and JC tapes. And WT typically does not do the individual work with the guards. When I was referring to WT I was including his staff.
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