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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 11:14:56 GMT -8
Eubanks has two outstanding issues. 1. he is still light in the tail to be a big 2. he is a blackhole with the ball. He has a grand total of 7 assists on the year. If he gets the ball down low, he is shooting come hell or high water. Granted, more times than not he scores with it. But he forces a lot of bad stuff up there too, when he has out outlet up top for likely an open 3. Teams crash Eubanks because they know he isn't gonna pass. I don't think Drew is necessarily a black hole. He is just a bad passer. That is an area that he really needs to work on. He tries to go ahead and shoot against double-teams, because he is awful at trying to pass out of them.
I'm fairly certain that he will leave after this year no matter what, but I wish that he would stay another year to work on his passing and his mid-range jumper. He is going to have to get better in both areas to make it in the league.
I agree. The NBA is not exactly known for developing talent. Sure, they have the D-league and all that, but largely speaking you need to come to the NBA, NBA ready, or you are not going to play.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 11:43:16 GMT -8
atownbeaver you are a valued poster and contribute a lot to Benny's House, but you are the one of the leaders of this kind of thought. Beavs need to strive for championships, not wallow in mediocrity. First, I can handle criticism of OSU... lets not forget I wanted to fire Gary Andersen about 4 minutes after i walked out of the spring game. Anybody that has even a pop warner understanding of football should of seen he was a failure then and there. I did not want to fire him because I had a hard on for Riley. I wanted to fire him because he made terrible decisions immediately. We need to actually achieve mediocrity before we can climb out of it. We do not have a legacy any kid today gives a s%#t about. Tinkle needs to build that. Unless OSU magically gets $10 million a year to hire coach K or something like that, 5 star recruits are not going to be banging down our door. OSU is not a name that gets anybody excited. Football, basketball or otherwise (except baseball...) we do not have the legacy or the presence to command attention. We have to find the underrated kid and develop them. We will be stuck doing this until we can find ourselves in the Tourney on a consistent basis. Tinkle is 1 out of 3 on that, a far, far, far cry better than anybody else. I do not want to wallow in Mediocrity. that is f%#*ing insulting. I just understand that first you actually have to be mediocre. then you have to be good, then you can become great. Understanding your roadblocks, understanding where you stand is not lowering your standards. It is identifying your path to success.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 8, 2018 12:24:33 GMT -8
While I'm not advocating for a 10-year extension, despite last years debacle I'm fairly happy with Tinkle thus far. He's not the second coming of John Wooden, but despite last year I think he has the team moving in the right direction. Can he help the team take the next step? I'm not sure, but I think he's earned a shot at doing just that. I also think in some regards he's getting a bad rap. "He can't recruit." He's brought in 4 highly ranked players. "Doesn't count, they're related to coaches." Still brought them in, and Eubanks isn't related. "Went to tourney with GPII, who wasn't his recruit." First of all he had to re-recruit him when he was hired, and seriously, does anyone really think that GPII was going somewhere else other than Oregon St. whether it was Robinson or Tinkle that brought him in? And the top 3 scorers and top 2 rebounders on that team after Payton were brought in by Tinkle. Oh, wait, they don't count because they're related. "Can't recruit a PG." He has gotten a little unlucky in that regard. Derrick Bruce by the end of his freshman season was looking pretty good, but then he decides to leave. McLaughlin showed he had some deficiencies during his freshman year but he was pretty highly rated out of high school, and did anybody really think he'd be as bad as he was this year and leave the team?
During Tinkle's tenure I'd say Tres, Stevie, Drew and Big G to a lesser degree have developed. Yes, I'd like to see him ramp up the recruiting, but I'm not convinced he can't be a strong recruiter for the Beavers. I think he's bringing in some good pieces (Manual, Kone, Hollins), but he hasn't found the alpha dogs who will help lead the team when the current juniors leave other than Ethan. In my mind unless the bottom falls out of the team this season, he has until the end of the next season to show where he can take this team.
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 8, 2018 13:36:15 GMT -8
While I'm not advocating for a 10-year extension, despite last years debacle I'm fairly happy with Tinkle thus far. He's not the second coming of John Wooden, but despite last year I think he has the team moving in the right direction. Can he help the team take the next step? I'm not sure, but I think he's earned a shot at doing just that. I also think in some regards he's getting a bad rap. "He can't recruit." He's brought in 4 highly ranked players. "Doesn't count, they're related to coaches." Still brought them in, and Eubanks isn't related. "Went to tourney with GPII, who wasn't his recruit." First of all he had to re-recruit him when he was hired, and seriously, does anyone really think that GPII was going somewhere else other than Oregon St. whether it was Robinson or Tinkle that brought him in? And the top 3 scorers and top 2 rebounders on that team after Payton were brought in by Tinkle. Oh, wait, they don't count because they're related. "Can't recruit a PG." He has gotten a little unlucky in that regard. Derrick Bruce by the end of his freshman season was looking pretty good, but then he decides to leave. McLaughlin showed he had some deficiencies during his freshman year but he was pretty highly rated out of high school, and did anybody really think he'd be as bad as he was this year and leave the team? During Tinkle's tenure I'd say Tres, Stevie, Drew and Big G to a lesser degree have developed. Yes, I'd like to see him ramp up the recruiting, but I'm not convinced he can't be a strong recruiter for the Beavers. I think he's bringing in some good pieces (Manual, Kone, Hollins), but he hasn't found the alpha dogs who will help lead the team when the current juniors leave other than Ethan. In my mind unless the bottom falls out of the team this season, he has until the end of the next season to show where he can take this team. So in short, you are in LIPO mode just like me. Cautiously optimistic.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 8, 2018 14:04:34 GMT -8
Both Robinson and Tinkle should probably get credit for recruiting younger Gary, while elder Gary was probably a HUGE part of that recruiting job. If you take GP2 out of the recruiting picture and look at the recruiting ranking scores (247 sports composit), you'd have to go back to the 2010 class to find one player Robinson landed more highly recruited than... Alfred Hollins.
Tinkle's classes pretty much across the board are stronger on the star scale than Robinson's even after the coaches' sons are taken out of the equation.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 14:17:09 GMT -8
Both Robinson and Tinkle should probably get credit for recruiting younger Gary, while elder Gary was probably a HUGE part of that recruiting job. If you take GP2 out of the recruiting picture and look at the recruiting ranking scores (247 sports composit), you'd have to go back to the 2010 class to find one player Robinson landed more highly recruited than... Alfred Hollins. Tinkle's classes pretty much across the board are stronger on the star scale than Robinson's even after the coaches' sons are taken out of the equation. Two of our top three players are coaches kids and that has people worried. That is understandable. It is also understandable seeing how JaQuori is a high profile flop. He was a 4* coup, or so it was seen as.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 14:43:28 GMT -8
Both Robinson and Tinkle should probably get credit for recruiting younger Gary, while elder Gary was probably a HUGE part of that recruiting job. If you take GP2 out of the recruiting picture and look at the recruiting ranking scores (247 sports composit), you'd have to go back to the 2010 class to find one player Robinson landed more highly recruited than... Alfred Hollins. Tinkle's classes pretty much across the board are stronger on the star scale than Robinson's even after the coaches' sons are taken out of the equation. Two of our top three players are coaches kids and that has people worried. That is understandable. It is also understandable seeing how JaQuori is a high profile flop. He was a 4* coup, or so it was seen as. is it an indictment of the current coaching staff they had JaQ starting ball games this year before he allegedly flunked out? Didn't they see in practice that he had lost a step, gained awkwardness, not improved his handle and still had no shot? Since then it has been the ultimate addition by subtraction, but don't tell me the coaches are anything but surprised.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 8, 2018 14:52:50 GMT -8
Two of our top three players are coaches kids and that has people worried. That is understandable. It is also understandable seeing how JaQuori is a high profile flop. He was a 4* coup, or so it was seen as. is it an indictment of the current coaching staff they had JaQ starting ball games this year before he allegedly flunked out? Didn't they see in practice that he had lost a step, gained awkwardness, not improved his handle and still had no shot? Since then it has been the ultimate addition by subtraction, but don't tell me the coaches are anything but surprised. I believe for right or for wrong they pushed it on JaQuori and kept hoping for the best. It just never materialized. While I am defending Tinkle here, I won't say he is without flaws. He probably should of cut bait sooner. But we all see a lack of a true PG is a flaw on this team. I think they just got caught up hoping it would work and it would all click... any day now. Stevie isn't a particularly great PG either. I can see how Tinkle was hesitant to go there also. He is working out much better than JaQuori did though.
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Post by touchdownbeavers on Jan 8, 2018 15:35:20 GMT -8
This thread really shows how many different assh, uh, I mean opinions are on this board.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 8, 2018 17:56:36 GMT -8
A few more points:
- Had WT been able to 're-recruit' Cameron Oliver as well (left for the NBA after his Soph season at Nevada as projected 2nd rounder, went undrafted and in the D-League), and/or had been able to close Chris Boucher instead of the ucks, and we'd have been a defensive powerhouse and pretty likely a deep tourney run that year. He's probably sitting on a $2M contract had that happened (or already been plucked by a school willing to pay).
- On our PG woes, I'm reminded our our snakebit recent history as I noticed that Hallice Cooke is now at Nevada (thought maybe he wanted to join Cameron, but Cameron was already gone). That wasn't WT's fault at all (Cooke left before CR was fired, so no chance for WT to 're-recruit' him). His hip issues weren't known here, afaik. Had he stayed here and was healthy, we'd actually have a senior PG with some nice skills.
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Jan 8, 2018 21:52:55 GMT -8
It's enough for me to question why I even started this place. Why are are so many around here willing to settle with mediocrity? Is this part and parcel of being a Beaver? When you drink the Corvallis water for 4 years you become an excuse-making schlub that's happy with crap sports? Wrap yourself in the Orange and Black baby. Wear those orange colored googles. Hip hip hooray! Boov it up. atownbeaver you are a valued poster and contribute a lot to Benny's House, but you are the one of the leaders of this kind of thought. Beavs need to strive for championships, not wallow in mediocrity. *Boov- someone that thinks OSU can't be upper echelon, makes excuses, is obsessed with UO and is happy with mediocrity. I like Tinkle and the DIRECTION of the program, but it is far from a finished product. WT has a good chance to continue to build on what I consider to be a very solid start, and that's what I want to see. An upward trend. I am willing to overlook an off-year anomaly, which is what I hope last year to have been, but long-term mediocrity is not acceptable. You play to win the game, and you play the games to win the championship! BTW, I'm glad you started this place, even if I don't always like a lot of the negativity. Thank you for getting it started after the Pure Orange demise, and thank you for keeping it going. Are there any Benny's House "gatherings" before any games? Would be great to meet some fellow posters in Surprise if there are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 10:46:17 GMT -8
A few more points: - Had WT been able to 're-recruit' Cameron Oliver as well (left for the NBA after his Soph season at Nevada as projected 2nd rounder, went undrafted and in the D-League), and/or had been able to close Chris Boucher instead of the ucks, and we'd have been a defensive powerhouse and pretty likely a deep tourney run that year. He's probably sitting on a $2M contract had that happened (or already been plucked by a school willing to pay). - On our PG woes, I'm reminded our our snakebit recent history as I noticed that Hallice Cooke is now at Nevada (thought maybe he wanted to join Cameron, but Cameron was already gone). That wasn't WT's fault at all (Cooke left before CR was fired, so no chance for WT to 're-recruit' him). His hip issues weren't known here, afaik. Had he stayed here and was healthy, we'd actually have a senior PG with some nice skills. I thought Reichle could fill at PG but he definitely looks more like a 2. It seems like short fast guys with good handles and decent vision would be much easier to recruit than your 6 10' guy with enough game to play in the Pac 12 but maybe i am wrong.
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Post by fishbeav on Jan 9, 2018 10:49:55 GMT -8
I had a chance to have a brief chat with coach Tinkle just after his arrival at OSU. I told him that I had started watching Beaver teams coached by Slats Gill followed by Paul Valenti and Ralph Miller. All of those teams played hard and played fundamentally sound basketball.
I told coach Tinkle that as long as his Beaver teams play hard sound basketball I would be a butt in a seat at games. Last Fridays game with the Ducks was a classic example of those principles.
Win or lose the way the team is playing they represent the best of OSU and I will follow them.
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Post by osulax24 on Jan 9, 2018 10:54:48 GMT -8
Glove you are spot on, not sure why, but this blog is full of members who don't seem to believe the Beavers can be successfully in sports (even though football is the only one we suck at now). Hell, you even have guys who consistently rag on their own school (jdogge), and other people who claim OSU doesn't have money (a notion pumped by duck fans and duck media), which cause more blind members to follow the "we don't have money, we can't compete, our facilities suck blah blah...". The latter is funny since we just shelled out $47 million on the VFC and are in the process of starting the $300 million completion of Reser... Lastly, the mediocre fans who are "extatic" about Riley is sickening, that guy is the opposite of a winner, rode DE's coat tails, lost crucial winnable games, lost CW 7 years in a row, allowed OSU to become "little brother ", QUIT ON THE BEAVERS TWICE, and he couldn't win at NEBRASKA..... oh and he also covered a rape, so if you think he's a good guy that's fine, I think he is an opportunistic person who hopes JS will fail so he can be the head coach again putting minimal effort in hopes of getting to .500 while enjoying being "semi-retired" with Wife Dee in good Ol' Vallis. JS didn't ask Riley to come on, Riley ASKED for a job!!! DE would never pull a snake move like that and steal all the limelight from JS, which is what has happened, now fans talk about Riley more than our new head coach which is extremely disturbing and distracting, who's driving the boat?
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 9, 2018 11:26:49 GMT -8
Glove you are spot on, not sure why, but this blog is full of members who don't seem to believe the Beavers can be successfully in sports (even though football is the only one we suck at now). Hell, you even have guys who consistently rag on their own school (jdogge), and other people who claim OSU doesn't have money (a notion pumped by duck fans and duck media), which cause more blind members to follow the "we don't have money, we can't compete, our facilities suck blah blah...". The latter is funny since we just shelled out $47 million on the VFC and are in the process of starting the $300 million completion of Reser... Lastly, the mediocre fans who are "extatic" about Riley is sickening, that guy is the opposite of a winner, rode DE's coat tails, lost crucial winnable games, lost CW 7 years in a row, allowed OSU to become "little brother ", QUIT ON THE BEAVERS TWICE, and he couldn't win at NEBRASKA..... oh and he also covered a rape, so if you think he's a good guy that's fine, I think he is an opportunistic person who hopes JS will fail so he can be the head coach again putting minimal effort in hopes of getting to .500 while enjoying being "semi-retired" with Wife Dee in good Ol' Vallis. JS didn't ask Riley to come on, Riley ASKED for a job!!! DE would never pull a snake move like that and steal all the limelight from JS, which is what has happened, now fans talk about Riley more than our new head coach which is extremely disturbing and distracting, who's driving the boat? Are you drunk or just off your meds?
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