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Nov 29, 2023 21:54:53 GMT -8
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Post by matt90 on Nov 29, 2023 21:54:53 GMT -8
He has not ever been the guy. Frankly, with the talent that he had his first 3-4 years, he should have done more. It should never have lasted as long as it has. I disagree with the extension. We should have said goodbye to him and Stevie at Senior day that year.
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Nov 29, 2023 23:10:11 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 29, 2023 23:10:11 GMT -8
The sad thing is any normal MBB fan would admit that they'd rather have a program go the NCAA tournament twice, make the elite 8 once and win a Pac12 Championship then have Kyle Smith's lifetime Pac12 record of 35-42 (.455) with no NCAA appearances and no titles, but we live in the age of gaslighting. I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. At least get your "facts"/math straight. Overall Smith was 34 and 35... that's not "well over" .500. |
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Nov 30, 2023 4:07:33 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 30, 2023 4:07:33 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. At least get your "facts"/math straight. Overall Smith was 34 and 35... that's not "well over" .500. I’m not sure if this is an attempt at humor, an honest mistake caused by jumping around the thread or poor reading comprehension caused by your glee of thinking you had a gotcha moment. The Smith being referred to is Kyle Smith, head coach of WSU basketball. Currently his overall record there is 74-62. Maybe “well over “ .500 is a bit of an exaggeration. I think I got caught up in the comparison to Tinkle’s 130-161 mark. |
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Post by irimi on Nov 30, 2023 7:16:35 GMT -8
The sad thing is any normal MBB fan would admit that they'd rather have a program go the NCAA tournament twice, make the elite 8 once and win a Pac12 Championship then have Kyle Smith's lifetime Pac12 record of 35-42 (.455) with no NCAA appearances and no titles, but we live in the age of gaslighting. I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. This is exactly why Tinkle received the extension. We were all high on those Elite Eight fumes. The year after the Elite Eight appearance was worse than many years of bad Beaver football. Embarrassing. An elite program would’ve fired Tinkle then and there and paid to do so. We aren’t that kind of a program, so we gave him another year, which was a little improved. For me, this is the year. Either he shows us he can coach or he should be gone. Early indicators point to another frustrating year. OSU is missing out. No one cares about mbb. The program should be making money. |
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Nov 30, 2023 7:59:17 GMT -8
Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2023 7:59:17 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. This is exactly why Tinkle received the extension. We were all high on those Elite Eight fumes. The year after the Elite Eight appearance was worse than many years of bad Beaver football. Embarrassing. An elite program would’ve fired Tinkle then and there and paid to do so. We aren’t that kind of a program, so we gave him another year, which was a little improved. For me, this is the year. Either he shows us he can coach or he should be gone. Early indicators point to another frustrating year. OSU is missing out. No one cares about mbb. The program should be making money. It's still making money......just not as much as it should be. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2023 11:53:23 GMT -8
At least get your "facts"/math straight. Overall Smith was 34 and 35... that's not "well over" .500. I’m not sure if this is an attempt at humor, an honest mistake caused by jumping around the thread or poor reading comprehension caused by your glee of thinking you had a gotcha moment. The Smith being referred to is Kyle Smith, head coach of WSU basketball. Currently his overall record there is 74-62. Maybe “well over “ .500 is a bit of an exaggeration. I think I got caught up in the comparison to Tinkle’s 130-161 mark. Whoops, my bad! Jumping around and not connecting the dots. My apologies. |
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Nov 30, 2023 12:04:49 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 30, 2023 12:04:49 GMT -8
This is exactly why Tinkle received the extension. We were all high on those Elite Eight fumes. The year after the Elite Eight appearance was worse than many years of bad Beaver football. Embarrassing. An elite program would’ve fired Tinkle then and there and paid to do so. We aren’t that kind of a program, so we gave him another year, which was a little improved. For me, this is the year. Either he shows us he can coach or he should be gone. Early indicators point to another frustrating year. OSU is missing out. No one cares about mbb. The program should be making money. It's still making money......just not as much as it should be. Judge — not doubting the veracity of your statement in any way, but curious as to the revenue streams that have the MBB program turning a profit. Media rights? Donors? Any knowledge or thoughts as to the amount of money being “left on the table”? If so, is it primarily from ticket revenue or other sources? Thanks in advance. |
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Nov 30, 2023 12:07:25 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 30, 2023 12:07:25 GMT -8
I'd like to see how this year goes.
OSU was picked last in the conference and got beaten by Wyoming and Portland early on and things still turned out well.
This year does have the upperclassmen leadership that team had, and I do not expect that kind of season to unfold, but the team needs to improve on last year's results.
I'm thinking, this is a very young team, but has 10-11 returned players and some promising new talent. It needs to "gel".
If it "gels", we could still have a winning season, and Tinkle's likely still here next year. If it doesn't, it could get bad, and he'll likely get canned.
I'd support the team, and hope for a winning season rather than beating it down all season long.
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Post by beaverology on Nov 30, 2023 12:18:24 GMT -8
Imagine if WT hangs on and coaches the 2024-25 season with a schedule of Mountain West opponents. No UCLA, USC, UA, ASU, UW, UO, Utah, CU, Cal or Stanford. The Beavers would likely flip the script and have a winning record, both in and out of conference. The same heads that popped during the 2021 Pac12 Champ/NCAA E8 run would explode all over again. Then what?
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Nov 30, 2023 12:45:57 GMT -8
Post by speakthetruth on Nov 30, 2023 12:45:57 GMT -8
Imagine if we played Linfield caliber teams every game. Geez we'd be undefeated.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 30, 2023 12:46:06 GMT -8
It's still making money......just not as much as it should be. Judge — not doubting the veracity of your statement in any way, but curious as to the revenue streams that have the MBB program turning a profit. Media rights? Donors? Any knowledge or thoughts as to the amount of money being “left on the table”? If so, is it primarily from ticket revenue or other sources? Thanks in advance. The left on the table money is ticket revenue. Season ticket sales are really low. Not only due to the record the last two years, but because the athletic department started requiring separate donations for season tickets for each sport. Before, if you donated enough for football, you could get good BB seats without an additional donation. There is also some missed money from sponsorships. Hard to get businesses to sponsor your program when your not performing well. |
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2023 12:53:01 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. This is exactly why Tinkle received the extension. We were all high on those Elite Eight fumes. The year after the Elite Eight appearance was worse than many years of bad Beaver football. Embarrassing. An elite program would’ve fired Tinkle then and there and paid to do so. We aren’t that kind of a program, so we gave him another year, which was a little improved. For me, this is the year. Either he shows us he can coach or he should be gone. Early indicators point to another frustrating year. OSU is missing out. No one cares about mbb. The program should be making money. Good news is the buyout after this year can be mitigated some, by hiring a quality younger coach (Like Bray... and there are plenty of quality guys out there) for a salary more in line with MWC than Pac12. Not what some want to hear, but there is no reason to keep paying WT that salary. No idea what the overall salaries are, but the newest extension for the CSU coach, Niko Medved tops out at $1.3 mil in '28-'29, with decent, but not crazy incentives. And, his salary pool is only about $875k... combines well below what we pay WT alone!! |
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Nov 30, 2023 12:53:24 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2023 12:53:24 GMT -8
Imagine if we played Linfield caliber teams every game. Geez we'd be undefeated. would we??  |
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Nov 30, 2023 13:01:38 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 30, 2023 13:01:38 GMT -8
Imagine if WT hangs on and coaches the 2024-25 season with a schedule of Mountain West opponents. No UCLA, USC, UA, ASU, UW, UO, Utah, CU, Cal or Stanford. The Beavers would likely flip the script and have a winning record, both in and out of conference. The same heads that popped during the 2021 Pac12 Champ/NCAA E8 run would explode all over again. Then what? And imagine if he’s still coaching Beavs and they struggle to be .500. Would that be enough for the “keep WT, we can’t get a better coach” crowd to say time to move on? What worries is if we lose some key players to portal after this year that the argument will become that WT “deserves” chance to rebuild from that. I actually think that the easier schedule you describe is the perfect time to bring in a new coach. Let the new guy start building something with the benefit of an easier schedule to try and jump start interest in the program again. But enough about possible coaching changes. We have a win to get tonight. |
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Nov 30, 2023 13:02:29 GMT -8
Post by rgeorge on Nov 30, 2023 13:02:29 GMT -8
Imagine if WT hangs on and coaches the 2024-25 season with a schedule of Mountain West opponents. No UCLA, USC, UA, ASU, UW, UO, Utah, CU, Cal or Stanford. The Beavers would likely flip the script and have a winning record, both in and out of conference. The same heads that popped during the 2021 Pac12 Champ/NCAA E8 run would explode all over again. Then what? What is his overall record? Yep losing record, 30 games below I think?? Versus many many teams that can easily be seen as inferior to some of the MWC teams. Just a hint, current the MWC is the 5th rated NET conference, the Pac12 is 6th. With EVERY team having a higher NET (by at least 50) than OSU in 2023 and that was a 8-22 Wyoming! |
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