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Nov 28, 2023 16:35:56 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 28, 2023 16:35:56 GMT -8
Wilky — I know, so why did you say Bradley is still waiting for someone to replace Les? Seems like they’ve done that pretty well. You think that Wardle is going to get into the Sweet Sixteen? Or put together a run of four consecutive seasons with postseason wins? Maybe Wardle is that guy? Dunno. |
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Nov 29, 2023 5:42:10 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2023 5:42:10 GMT -8
Wilky — I know, so why did you say Bradley is still waiting for someone to replace Les? Seems like they’ve done that pretty well. You think that Wardle is going to get into the Sweet Sixteen? Or put together a run of four consecutive seasons with postseason wins? Maybe Wardle is that guy? Dunno. And you think Les would have again? I don’t remember exact circumstances around Les’s firing and if it was just record related or not. They very likely cut the cord too quickly, but to say he would have had another run like that is pie in the sky conjecture. Wardle is in his 9th season at Bradley — the same amount of years Les was there — and they have nearly identical overall records and Wardle has a better conference record. Do you think when Tinkle leaves (whether assisted or unassisted) the bar for success is going to be an E8? I think the large majority of Beaver fans would consider Wardle’s .528 overall and .493 conference winning percentages for the new coach successful. As great a run and experience as the E8 was, it really has been a blessing and a curse. A great high no doubt, but it has enabled a coach with no where near an overall .500 record and a sub .350 conference winning percentage to keep his job. Yes, I know all about the buyout. but I truly believe there are plenty of people who would still be behind keeping Tinkle further even if he adds a third season in the top 5 worst Beavers bball season. |
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Nov 29, 2023 7:53:23 GMT -8
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Post by beaverology on Nov 29, 2023 7:53:23 GMT -8
After 6 failed coaches in a row, you'd think that people would realize the OSU MBB job is one of the most challenging jobs in all of MBB. As the OSU program has fallen behind more and more with each passing year, some still believe the only thing holding Beaver basketball back, is the coach.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2023 8:27:50 GMT -8
After 6 failed coaches in a row, you'd think that people would realize the OSU MBB job is one of the most challenging jobs in all of MBB. As the OSU program has fallen behind more and more with each passing year, some still believe the only thing holding Beaver basketball back, is the coach. If that’s in part aimed at me, that’s not what I said. But there are plenty of tough and challenging jobs in MBB across the country. I’m certainly not going to check, but I’m guessing you’d be hard pressed to find a HC with a sub .350 conference win percentage still employed outside of some who are in their first 2 to 3 years at a school where they are cleaning up someone else’s mess. And if those coaches don’t improve upon that they’ll be soon gone. Case in point Stubblefield at DePaul, which is as bad and possibly more challenging job then the OSU job. He has to be under .250 in conference and doesn’t seem like he’ll improve upon that this season. We’ll see if he gets a year 4 People love to give WT credit for the E8 (as I do) but not hold him accountable for a terrible overall record and the worst and third worst seasons in program history. Congrats to WT. He found a pretty good gig. |
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Nov 29, 2023 11:07:08 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Nov 29, 2023 11:07:08 GMT -8
After 6 failed coaches in a row, you'd think that people would realize the OSU MBB job is one of the most challenging jobs in all of MBB. As the OSU program has fallen behind more and more with each passing year, some still believe the only thing holding Beaver basketball back, is the coach. If that’s in part aimed at me, that’s not what I said. But there are plenty of tough and challenging jobs in MBB across the country. I’m certainly not going to check, but I’m guessing you’d be hard pressed to find a HC with a sub .350 conference win percentage still employed outside of some who are in their first 2 to 3 years at a school where they are cleaning up someone else’s mess. And if those coaches don’t improve upon that they’ll be soon gone. Case in point Stubblefield at DePaul, which is as bad and possibly more challenging job then the OSU job. He has to be under .250 in conference and doesn’t seem like he’ll improve upon that this season. We’ll see if he gets a year 4 People love to give WT credit for the E8 (as I do) but not hold him accountable for a terrible overall record and the worst and third worst seasons in program history. Congrats to WT. He found a pretty good gig. Yeah... you have love the excuse makers. The school/program it runs is so horrible that no coach could win here!? It is on the program's living, breathing history that keeps us down. Maybe they should let Barnes know as obviously he doesn't get that HS JV coach could save OSU tons of dough! |
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Nov 29, 2023 11:53:22 GMT -8
Post by seastape on Nov 29, 2023 11:53:22 GMT -8
After 6 failed coaches in a row, you'd think that people would realize the OSU MBB job is one of the most challenging jobs in all of MBB. As the OSU program has fallen behind more and more with each passing year, some still believe the only thing holding Beaver basketball back, is the coach. If that’s in part aimed at me, that’s not what I said. But there are plenty of tough and challenging jobs in MBB across the country. I’m certainly not going to check, but I’m guessing you’d be hard pressed to find a HC with a sub .350 conference win percentage still employed outside of some who are in their first 2 to 3 years at a school where they are cleaning up someone else’s mess. And if those coaches don’t improve upon that they’ll be soon gone. Case in point Stubblefield at DePaul, which is as bad and possibly more challenging job then the OSU job. He has to be under .250 in conference and doesn’t seem like he’ll improve upon that this season. We’ll see if he gets a year 4 People love to give WT credit for the E8 (as I do) but not hold him accountable for a terrible overall record and the worst and third worst seasons in program history. Congrats to WT. He found a pretty good gig. Tinkle needs to go. I thought OSU had no choice but to give him an extension after the Elite 8 run, and I still feel that way, but he is just not getting it done. The recruiting after the Elite 8 run should have picked up but did nothing. It sucks, because Tinkle seems like, and all accounts that I have read agree that he is a very good person, the kind of person for whom you wish the greatest success. But slipping into a lesser conference with his high salary...it's not going to work. We can't pay a guy twice what he'd earn in the MWC and have him flounder around with an under .500 winning percentage. He needs to go. |
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Nov 29, 2023 11:54:48 GMT -8
Post by beaverology on Nov 29, 2023 11:54:48 GMT -8
First, Barnes doesn't want to hire a MBB who will fail at OSU, that goes on his resume. Do you blame him? Better to extend a coach than make a bad hire, which is gonna happen (the bad hire).
Second, firing WT should happen end of this year. I'm looking forward to it. Dismissing him is the easy part. Finding a capable coach who will take the job won't be easy, in fact, I don't think they'd take the job. Sure you can find a young coach who will take the money, but we all know how it ends.
Again, after 6 consecutive coaches and 35 years, you'd think people would admit the high degree of difficulty of coaching the OSU MBB program in the Pac12.
The good news is UCLA, USC, Arizona, ASU, Oregon, Utah, Colorado, UW, Cal and Stanford will all disappear from our schedule starting in 2024 and be replaced with Fresno, Boise State, Utah State, Air Force, Wyoming, etc. That's gonna help the new coach and at same time, will preclude them from being compared to JERJC&W.
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Nov 29, 2023 12:26:53 GMT -8
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Nov 29, 2023 12:26:53 GMT -8
The buyout either this year or next year is half of what it was before. It does not go down again until 2026.
I still personally doubt that Barnes can find anyone better just based on what Barnes did to Pittsburgh.
Plus, I am genuinely curious what Tinkle would do against a Mountain West-heavy schedule.
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 29, 2023 12:29:34 GMT -8
Kyle Smith has coached at washington state for four full years. The last two years at Washington state Kyle Smith led the team to 11-9 league records. In his nine full sessons at oregon state tinkle has led the team to one winning league season. Please don't tell me it's easier to recruit to pullman than corvallis.
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Nov 29, 2023 12:40:19 GMT -8
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Post by beaverology on Nov 29, 2023 12:40:19 GMT -8
The sad thing is any normal MBB fan would admit that they'd rather have a program go the NCAA tournament twice, make the elite 8 once and win a Pac12 Championship then have Kyle Smith's lifetime Pac12 record of 35-42 (.455) with no NCAA appearances and no titles, but we live in the age of gaslighting.
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Nov 29, 2023 12:48:50 GMT -8
Post by speakthetruth on Nov 29, 2023 12:48:50 GMT -8
Tinkles league winning percentage is 34.5%. The more he coaches the more it's obvious the elite 8 was an aberration, an anomaly, the ball bounced the right way for two weeks. Like getting heads 10 tosses in a row.
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Nov 29, 2023 12:51:12 GMT -8
Post by beaverology on Nov 29, 2023 12:51:12 GMT -8
The 2021 Pac12 MBB Championship outshines Kyle Smith's entire WSU career. WSU hasn't been to NCAA since 2008. How long before he gets fired?
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Nov 29, 2023 12:56:53 GMT -8
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Post by speakthetruth on Nov 29, 2023 12:56:53 GMT -8
So you ready to give tinkle another extension? Chances are another coach will never get us to the elite 8 so I guess tinkle is the best we can ever do. Geez. Talk about settling for mediocrity.
I believe tinkle is 17-52 since the elite 8 . In anybodys world that is dreadful. That is under 25%.
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Post by beaverology on Nov 29, 2023 13:08:32 GMT -8
Can you read? I said above I want him fired at the end of the year. Looking forward to it. smh  |
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Nov 29, 2023 14:07:45 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 29, 2023 14:07:45 GMT -8
The sad thing is any normal MBB fan would admit that they'd rather have a program go the NCAA tournament twice, make the elite 8 once and win a Pac12 Championship then have Kyle Smith's lifetime Pac12 record of 35-42 (.455) with no NCAA appearances and no titles, but we live in the age of gaslighting. I don’t think anyone said they wouldn’t. Smith was brought up because you or someone else said no one would take this “bad” job nor have any kind of success. Smith took a similar type bad job and has been well over .500 overall and has a much better conference record than Tinkle. Tinkle hasn’t come close to Smith’s conference record in any 5 year stretch that he’s been in Corvallis. So whose doing the gaslighting? And do you really think WT will get the Beavers to another E8? I’d be more than willing to bet he won’t but I don’t think Vegas would take that bet. Heck, the way things are looking, him getting team to NCAA tourney seems like a pipe dream. |
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