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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 22, 2023 18:05:17 GMT -8
You need to look harder. In the WCU series alone there was one you missed. As someone who actually attended the games, there are many more. If he stays, great. If he leaves, we'll find someone else. LOL he's provided concrete stats and examples, you've provided nothing other than your own (biased) observations. It's ok to stop talking now. Except all I had to do was look at one series to find a mistake. You want concrete stats? Average, .248, lowest of any season-long starter; slugging .364, lowest of any season-long starter; on-base, .377, lowest of any season-long starter; OPS, .741, lowest of any season-long starter. Catching was a platoon. And we got more production from Smith and Weber combined than Dernedde. No bias in hard numbers. He was our least-productive position. I wish deeper-dive stats were available, like RISP and getting runners in from third with less than two outs. But they are not. Funny I thought message boards were about providing observations. Just surprised some are getting bent out of shape about possibly losing our sixth-best shortstop since 2005. |
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Post by jefframp on Jun 22, 2023 18:14:17 GMT -8
Interesting and surprising list. Just with the eye test, I would go 1) Cayden 2) Bo Phillips 3) Darwin 4)Armstrong 5) Smith 6) Dernedde I think you are just plain Wong. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Jun 22, 2023 18:15:06 GMT -8
Interesting and surprising list. Just with the eye test, I would go 1) Cayden 2) Bo Phillips 3) Darwin 4)Armstrong 5) Smith 6) Dernedde I think you are just plain Wong. Hey-oh 😜 |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 22, 2023 18:16:16 GMT -8
Interesting and surprising list. Just with the eye test, I would go 1) Cayden 2) Bo Phillips 3) Darwin 4)Armstrong 5) Smith 6) Dernedde Agreed, Cayden Cadyn #1. If Grenier had signed out of High School, Madrigal would probably have been in the top 3. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 22, 2023 18:28:11 GMT -8
Oh yeah, I forgot about Joey Wong, and Trever Morrison. So make that # 7 or # 8.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 22, 2023 20:50:16 GMT -8
LOL he's provided concrete stats and examples, you've provided nothing other than your own (biased) observations. It's ok to stop talking now. Except all I had to do was look at one series to find a mistake. You want concrete stats? Average, .248, lowest of any season-long starter; slugging .364, lowest of any season-long starter; on-base, .377, lowest of any season-long starter; OPS, .741, lowest of any season-long starter. Catching was a platoon. And we got more production from Smith and Weber combined than Dernedde. No bias in hard numbers. He was our least-productive position. I wish deeper-dive stats were available, like RISP and getting runners in from third with less than two outs. But they are not. Funny I thought message boards were about providing observations. Just surprised some are getting bent out of shape about possibly losing our sixth-best shortstop since 2005. There was no mistake. Re-read my post. Oregon State got less production out of the catcher platoon than it received out of Dernedde. Kyle Dernedde is one of two regular players to hit better in conference than out. Brady Kasper is the other. I disagree with your assessment. Since Casey got the teem working correctly, Oregon State has been a defense-first juggernaut. And Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 22, 2023 22:00:29 GMT -8
We're just gonna disagree. No big deal.
Darwin Barney had 336 chances in 65 games in 2007, that's five per game. Dernedde had 174 in 52 games, or about 3.1 per game. Darwin had more errors, to be expected for a player who played all of his home games on grass, not turf.
He got two more chances per game. That's a full two more outs per game. I'll take a few more errors over the course of a 60-game season by a player who is making two more plays per game. A shortstop with five accepted chances per game is simply better than one with 3.1. A defender who gets to more balls in play is better.
Plus, Darwin could hit.
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Post by chinmusic on Jun 23, 2023 15:00:58 GMT -8
Some dynamics in play here - several moving pieces. Let's summarize . . . From the Oregonian article, we know several things.
1. Kyle is free to return to OSU for a fifth year. MC said they would welcome him back.
2. It appears Kyle is looking for the right fit - a situation that offers a grad degree that appeals to him and an opportunity to play regularly. He's window shopping.
3. If Caraway gets to OSU it sets up a Carraway-Kane duo on the left side. Caraway is a polished 3B that plays SS in high school and you want his bat in the lineup every day. Problematical for Kyle.
4. If Caraway signs, the SS and/or 3B position will be very competitive.
5. If Kane was drafted or signed a FA deal, same as #4.
6. If OSU were to bring in a Super-SS via transfer, that adds another dimension to the situation.
7. Coach Mitch mentioned other schools have been in contact with him and are expressing interest in Kyle.
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 24, 2023 16:01:22 GMT -8
Except all I had to do was look at one series to find a mistake. You want concrete stats? Average, .248, lowest of any season-long starter; slugging .364, lowest of any season-long starter; on-base, .377, lowest of any season-long starter; OPS, .741, lowest of any season-long starter. Catching was a platoon. And we got more production from Smith and Weber combined than Dernedde. No bias in hard numbers. He was our least-productive position. I wish deeper-dive stats were available, like RISP and getting runners in from third with less than two outs. But they are not. Funny I thought message boards were about providing observations. Just surprised some are getting bent out of shape about possibly losing our sixth-best shortstop since 2005. There was no mistake. Re-read my post. Oregon State got less production out of the catcher platoon than it received out of Dernedde. Kyle Dernedde is one of two regular players to hit better in conference than out. Brady Kasper is the other. I disagree with your assessment. Since Casey got the teem working correctly, Oregon State has been a defense-first juggernaut. And Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops. "Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops" is questionable imho. Cadyn had far better range, and a stronger arm. Dernedde was a good fielding shortstop. That's all. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 24, 2023 17:44:00 GMT -8
There was no mistake. Re-read my post. Oregon State got less production out of the catcher platoon than it received out of Dernedde. Kyle Dernedde is one of two regular players to hit better in conference than out. Brady Kasper is the other. I disagree with your assessment. Since Casey got the teem working correctly, Oregon State has been a defense-first juggernaut. And Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops. "Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops" is questionable imho. Cadyn had far better range, and a stronger arm. Dernedde was a good fielding shortstop. That's all. Cadyn made it to AAA Dernedde won't. |
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Post by tamatrix on Jun 27, 2023 14:07:53 GMT -8
I dislike Husky baseball greatly...but would welcome this guy with open arms!
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 27, 2023 15:03:36 GMT -8
There was no mistake. Re-read my post. Oregon State got less production out of the catcher platoon than it received out of Dernedde. Kyle Dernedde is one of two regular players to hit better in conference than out. Brady Kasper is the other. I disagree with your assessment. Since Casey got the teem working correctly, Oregon State has been a defense-first juggernaut. And Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops. "Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops" is questionable imho. Cadyn had far better range, and a stronger arm. Dernedde was a good fielding shortstop. That's all. Agree 100%. and if you watched a full series in person, Cadyn makes at least one or two "holy sh$t, how'd he do that?" type of play per series. Sometimes it might even be just knocking down a ball that ends up being an IF single that other guys don't even remotely get to. |
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Post by joecool on Jun 27, 2023 22:05:28 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 28, 2023 6:53:10 GMT -8
There was no mistake. Re-read my post. Oregon State got less production out of the catcher platoon than it received out of Dernedde. Kyle Dernedde is one of two regular players to hit better in conference than out. Brady Kasper is the other. I disagree with your assessment. Since Casey got the teem working correctly, Oregon State has been a defense-first juggernaut. And Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops. "Dernedde is the best in a long line of great defensive shortstops" is questionable imho. Cadyn had far better range, and a stronger arm. Dernedde was a good fielding shortstop. That's all. Grenier was probly the best defensive SS we've ever seen at OSU. His hitting tool was always gonna be what held him back at the next level......but he made extraordinary plays look routine, regularly. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 28, 2023 9:24:09 GMT -8
Good luck to him. He was stuck behind Bazzana here and was not going to play. I did think he would do more in the limited appearances he had, or do enough to merit more time, and his production with the Knights really dropped off in the second half of the season to the point he wasn't playing much. |
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