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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 1, 2022 6:49:43 GMT -8
The LA Times is reporting the Big Ten is done, for now. So we can expect the remaining ten schools to stay together as a conference for now, because in reality they have no other option. And what remains is still pretty formidable, despite the "sky is falling" rhetoric I'm reading here.
1. Even without LA, if the Pac-10 stays together it will have the country's #6 (Bay Area), # 11 (Phoenix), # 12 (Seattle), # 16 (Denver), # 21 (Portland), #30 (SLC), and # 64 (Tucson) TV markets.
2. Expand to UNLV and SDSU. That adds the # 27 (San Diego) and # 40 (Vegas) markets. And both of those areas are growing like gangbusters. They have baseball and softball, programs we need since we are losing the Bruins in both and SC in baseball.
3. Get a new TV contract. Yes, we don't have as much leverage without the # 2 market. Duh, that hurt big-time. But we still have six of the country's top 30 markets, in ears that are growing, unlike some (for now) larger Rust Belt markets like Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and Midwest dead zones like Indianapolis and St. Louis.
4. Make USC and UCLA ineligible for conference postseason play and automatic NCAA berths. They are too valuable to bestow on traitors. If they get in at-large, so be it. But do not facilitate anything that helps them. No Pac-12 basketball, baseball or softball tournament. Their individuals can compete in post-season competition like the swimming, cross country and track meets, but they cannot win a team title.
5. Reach out to the University of Denver about affiliate status in soccer and gymnastics, programs the Pios excel in. We'll need a 6th men's soccer program to maintain an automatic NCAA berth. Denver fills that need (SDSU already has affiliate status).
6. Don't panic. Concern, yes. But don't panic. Let the dust settle. The remaining 10 presidents need to make it clear the Pac-whatever will continue as a viable entity.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 1, 2022 7:04:13 GMT -8
The LA Times is reporting the Big Ten is done, for now. So we can expect the remaining ten schools to stay together as a conference for now, because in reality they have no other option. And what remains is still pretty formidable, despite the "sky is falling" rhetoric I'm reading here. 1. Even without LA, if the Pac-10 stays together it will have the country's #6 (Bay Area), # 11 (Phoenix), # 12 (Seattle), # 16 (Denver), # 21 (Portland), #30 (SLC), and # 64 (Tucson) TV markets. 2. Expand to UNLV and SDSU. That adds the # 27 (San Diego) and # 40 (Vegas) markets. And both of those areas are growing like gangbusters. They have baseball and softball, programs we need since we are losing the Bruins in both and SC in baseball. 3. Get a new TV contract. Yes, we don't have as much leverage without the # 2 market. Duh, that hurt big-time. But we still have six of the country's top 30 markets, in ears that are growing, unlike some (for now) larger Rust Belt markets like Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and Midwest dead zones like Indianapolis and St. Louis. 4. Make USC and UCLA ineligible for conference postseason play and automatic NCAA berths. They are too valuable to bestow on traitors. If they get in at-large, so be it. But do not facilitate anything that helps them. No Pac-12 basketball, baseball or softball tournament. Their individuals can compete in post-season competition like the swimming, cross country and track meets, but they cannot win a team title. 5. Reach out to the University of Denver about affiliate status in soccer and gymnastics, programs the Pios excel in. We'll need a 6th men's soccer program to maintain an automatic NCAA berth. Denver fills that need (SDSU already has affiliate status). 6. Don't panic. Concern, yes. But don't panic. Let the dust settle. The remaining 10 presidents need to make it clear the Pac-whatever will continue as a viable entity. That's a good, calm post, HS. I'm still too PISSED (though not surprised) to think squarely. I have NEVER been someone who "roots for the members of the PAC," just ....because. F-'em. |
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Post by jimbeav on Jul 1, 2022 7:10:44 GMT -8
UW holds the cards now. They're the big dawg, with the biggest remaining media market. Their actions from here will determine if we still have a conference. They can also dictate to the conference what actions we take as far as expansion. Keeping them happy will likely be a priority.
What I find odd is how everybody is lumping in Washington and Oregon together when talking about others potentially looking to leave. UW I can understand, but UO? They have just as little leverage as us. Their football program success may be at a high level on the field, but in the game of fanbase and TV markets, they're still small time. I can't imagine that UW would 'partner' with them in any way to leave as a package. Or at least I hope not! I love to imagine a scenario where UO's AD calls his UW counterpart to discuss a paired strategy, and the UW AD tells him to pound sand and that he's on his own. If he's smart, that's exactly what he should do.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Jul 1, 2022 7:26:46 GMT -8
What’s next? We have a new 34k stadium coming that will put up new flagpoles. Maybe a MWC flag will fly.
I think when they planned to drop 12k seats in capacity that was writing on the wall for football. For years everyone knew OSU didn’t market well at all. OSU is closer to PDX than Eugene, larger student body, but chose to stay small and not compete. Dennis Erickson gave us half a stadium. It’s still that way. Just now the other side elevator will work minus 12k seats. That was the trade off I guess. They made their bed time to lie down.
The original plan for reser was a horseshoe design with nice amenities and 55k seats. Now it looks like 4 different stadium projects and small time. So we deserve the MWC.
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Post by nabeav on Jul 1, 2022 7:29:58 GMT -8
UW holds the cards now. They're the big dawg, with the biggest remaining media market. Their actions from here will determine if we still have a conference. They can also dictate to the conference what actions we take as far as expansion. Keeping them happy will likely be a priority. What I find odd is how everybody is lumping in Washington and Oregon together when talking about others potentially looking to leave. UW I can understand, but UO? They have just as little leverage as us. Their football program success may be at a high level on the field, but in the game of fanbase and TV markets, they're still small time. I can't imagine that UW would 'partner' with them in any way to leave as a package. Or at least I hope not! I love to imagine a scenario where UO's AD calls his UW counterpart to discuss a paired strategy, and the UW AD tells him to pound sand and that he's on his own. If he's smart, that's exactly what he should do. Actually, you can find several things online saying that Oregon has a rather large national fan base: drive.google.com/file/d/1MiUOwx8X3H2bSkUOz8a1YhceyJWLLCoJ/view - this one has them as the largest in the conference and #7 in the nation bleacherreport.com/articles/466095-which-college-football-program-has-the-most-fans - this one is over a decade old, but has Oregon at #12 in the nation medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50 - This one attempted to rank teams by viewership - it has Oregon at 26th in the nation, ahead of UW, but behind Stanford interestingly enough. Oregon has WAY more leverage than us. They're a national brand. You ever go to other parts of the country and tell people you went to Oregon State? The #1 thing people say when I tell them that is "them's the Ducks, right?" Pisses me off every single time, but it's the reality. People know who Oregon is. They may not be "fans" per se, but they will tune in to see what jerseys they're wearing, or because they associate Oregon with high scoring offense, or Nike, or whatever. |
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Post by korculabeav on Jul 1, 2022 7:30:31 GMT -8
I surmise several months will pass before we see the next move. That next move could be the Big 12 trying to make a land grab for the AZ schools, Utah, Air Force, BYU, etc. Wondering if OSU takes a proactive risk in allying with WSU and approach the Big 12 to join. Both schools can bring a broad Oregon-Washington TV market with them.probably all they gave to offer. Pac 12 is sinking and it may be OSU’s only card to play before they get left behind in a few years.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 1, 2022 7:38:11 GMT -8
Good post Henry. If the PAC survives it needs the southern California market. SDSU is obvious. I don't have any sense on how to proceed, but you need more than San Diego. Somehow the remaining schools need to invest to bring another LA school up in status to 1)help the PAC and 2) reduce the market share of the LA's two midwestern schools. It would take a ten year investment to have people start caring about Long Beach football or Cal State LA anything. But they do have big alumni bases. ESPN owns the SEC and now Fox owns the Big10/LA schools. The PAC somehow needs to partner with CBS or NBC.
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Post by beaverdude on Jul 1, 2022 7:43:11 GMT -8
4. Make USC and UCLA ineligible for conference postseason play and automatic NCAA berths. They are too valuable to bestow on traitors. If they get in at-large, so be it. But do not facilitate anything that helps them. No Pac-12 basketball, baseball or softball tournament. Their individuals can compete in post-season competition like the swimming, cross country and track meets, but they cannot win a team title. This is the first thing that should happen. I'd also love to see Verle utter these words : USC and UCLA got what they deserved. |
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Post by korculabeav on Jul 1, 2022 7:45:16 GMT -8
See my post above on the Big 12 card to play. Only other option is do you go all in to hold what’s left of the Pac together at all odds with Mtn. West band aids? That doesn’t generate excitement for me or others.
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Post by beaverstever on Jul 1, 2022 7:49:56 GMT -8
UW holds the cards now. They're the big dawg, with the biggest remaining media market. Their actions from here will determine if we still have a conference. They can also dictate to the conference what actions we take as far as expansion. Keeping them happy will likely be a priority. What I find odd is how everybody is lumping in Washington and Oregon together when talking about others potentially looking to leave. UW I can understand, but UO? They have just as little leverage as us. Their football program success may be at a high level on the field, but in the game of fanbase and TV markets, they're still small time. I can't imagine that UW would 'partner' with them in any way to leave as a package. Or at least I hope not! I love to imagine a scenario where UO's AD calls his UW counterpart to discuss a paired strategy, and the UW AD tells him to pound sand and that he's on his own. If he's smart, that's exactly what he should do. Actually, you can find several things online saying that Oregon has a rather large national fan base: drive.google.com/file/d/1MiUOwx8X3H2bSkUOz8a1YhceyJWLLCoJ/view - this one has them as the largest in the conference and #7 in the nation bleacherreport.com/articles/466095-which-college-football-program-has-the-most-fans - this one is over a decade old, but has Oregon at #12 in the nation medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50 - This one attempted to rank teams by viewership - it has Oregon at 26th in the nation, ahead of UW, but behind Stanford interestingly enough. Oregon has WAY more leverage than us. They're a national brand. You ever go to other parts of the country and tell people you went to Oregon State? The #1 thing people say when I tell them that is "them's the Ducks, right?" Pisses me off every single time, but it's the reality. People know who Oregon is. They may not be "fans" per se, but they will tune in to see what jerseys they're wearing, or because they associate Oregon with high scoring offense, or Nike, or whatever. This article should has Cal ahead of both UW and Oregon: archive.nytimes.com/thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/ |
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Post by nabeav on Jul 1, 2022 7:53:54 GMT -8
I don't hate the idea of inviting Long Beach and helping them start a football program.
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Post by seastape on Jul 1, 2022 8:01:10 GMT -8
I surmise several months will pass before we see the next move. That next move could be the Big 12 trying to make a land grab for the AZ schools, Utah, Air Force, BYU, etc. Wondering if OSU takes a proactive risk in allying with WSU and approach the Big 12 to join. Both schools can bring a broad Oregon-Washington TV market with them.probably all they gave to offer. Pac 12 is sinking and it may be OSU’s only card to play before they get left behind in a few years. Right now, the Big 12 only has 9 members if you include BYU, which is set to join in 2026, I think. Could be wrong on the year. The conference has no rivalries besides Kansas and Kansas State. It would be natural to take Utah and the Arizona schools to get to 12. Add Colorado and Colorado St. to get to 14. |
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Post by elwood on Jul 1, 2022 8:09:23 GMT -8
I surmise several months will pass before we see the next move. That next move could be the Big 12 trying to make a land grab for the AZ schools, Utah, Air Force, BYU, etc. Wondering if OSU takes a proactive risk in allying with WSU and approach the Big 12 to join. Both schools can bring a broad Oregon-Washington TV market with them.probably all they gave to offer. Pac 12 is sinking and it may be OSU’s only card to play before they get left behind in a few years. If the PAC-12 is sinking, tying one anchor to another anchor isn’t the best idea. OSU needs a life preserver. Unfortunately, our best option is our Friends to the South. Maintains our in State rivalry and continuity of the Oregon television market. With that being said, it would still be a tough sell. |
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Post by sparty on Jul 1, 2022 8:19:23 GMT -8
UW holds the cards now. They're the big dawg, with the biggest remaining media market. Their actions from here will determine if we still have a conference. They can also dictate to the conference what actions we take as far as expansion. Keeping them happy will likely be a priority. What I find odd is how everybody is lumping in Washington and Oregon together when talking about others potentially looking to leave. UW I can understand, but UO? They have just as little leverage as us. Their football program success may be at a high level on the field, but in the game of fanbase and TV markets, they're still small time. I can't imagine that UW would 'partner' with them in any way to leave as a package. Or at least I hope not! I love to imagine a scenario where UO's AD calls his UW counterpart to discuss a paired strategy, and the UW AD tells him to pound sand and that he's on his own. If he's smart, that's exactly what he should do. I heard big 10 is drooling over some possible influx of Nike money If you think it can’t happen then you probably have not been following the national media in all of this. |
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 1, 2022 8:20:29 GMT -8
UW holds the cards now. They're the big dawg, with the biggest remaining media market. Their actions from here will determine if we still have a conference. They can also dictate to the conference what actions we take as far as expansion. Keeping them happy will likely be a priority. What I find odd is how everybody is lumping in Washington and Oregon together when talking about others potentially looking to leave. UW I can understand, but UO? They have just as little leverage as us. Their football program success may be at a high level on the field, but in the game of fanbase and TV markets, they're still small time. I can't imagine that UW would 'partner' with them in any way to leave as a package. Or at least I hope not! I love to imagine a scenario where UO's AD calls his UW counterpart to discuss a paired strategy, and the UW AD tells him to pound sand and that he's on his own. If he's smart, that's exactly what he should do. $NIKE$ (I threw up a little bit in my mouth)  |
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