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Post by william44 on Jul 5, 2022 17:23:27 GMT -8
We will nee d tons of zmoneybin order to not go backward. If we cannot find the Dona’s we will be a shadow of what we are now. I have little confidence in Stste help or loyalty from other NW schools. I do not blame them as much as the greed and desire to buy your way in.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 5, 2022 17:38:31 GMT -8
It does a few good things. It gives us games in Los Angeles in all sports. It puts us in front of recruits from the biggest recruiting area either west of the Mississippi or west of the Pecos. Those recruits know they will have a few games in front of family and friends. I think the LBSU football games should be at the Coliseum. It's walking distance to the USC campus but they have no other connection. I don't care if only 25K show up. And I like this: USC and UCLA'S share of the SoCal market gets reduced. For college fans I feel it's 40% each for USC and UCLA and then 20% for others. Long Beach would gain a foothold.
As a guess (wild) media rights for Big West schools are 5M. If the new Pac12 share is 50M, put in the contract that the minimum football budget is 40M over the life of the contract. The traitor schools would never schedule them but I know there would be a first time LB gets a better bowl game than the old blue bloods and people will notice.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 5, 2022 18:02:59 GMT -8
There is no market for LBSU football. None. It didn't draw flies, nowhere close to 25K, even with George Allen coaching. And that was before the Chargers moved to town. LBSU football wouldn't even be a blip on the LA media radar screen.
SC probably has exclusive rights to the Coliseum for college football. Even if your fantasy came true, no way would USC relinquish those rights.
Invite SDSU. There's our SoCal connection.
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Post by beavheart on Jul 5, 2022 18:17:01 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 5, 2022 18:19:50 GMT -8
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Post by beavheart on Jul 5, 2022 18:33:26 GMT -8
I don't know why the remaining Big12 and Pac12 aren't already joining forces to create a super conference of what is left of both. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Big Pac West:
-ASU
-UA
-Colorado
-Cal
-Stanford
-OSU
-UO
-Utah
-Fresno St
-SD St
-UW
-WSU
BigPac East
-Ok St
-Tx Tech
-Baylor
-TCU
-Kansas
-KU
-Houston
-WV
-BYU
-Cincinnati
-UCF
-Iowa St
A conference that spans the country, but keeps some regional aspects to it. Also, it would contain enough media markets to "matter" in the world we find ourselves.
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Post by gotmilk on Jul 5, 2022 19:09:46 GMT -8
One thing seems certain. PAC powers keep shunning big 12. To be honest the 4 teams imo would be dumb not to go there. Since pac seems to be talking yet another worthless alliance that won’t matter
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 5, 2022 19:31:52 GMT -8
Personally, I think we should propose a merger with the ACC and screw the Big 12. They’d never see that coming.
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Post by gotmilk on Jul 5, 2022 20:05:38 GMT -8
Personally, I think we should propose a merger with the ACC and screw the Big 12. They’d never see that coming. Down with merger. But alliance? What play a pointless championship. |
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Post by ag87 on Jul 5, 2022 21:52:29 GMT -8
There is no market for LBSU football. None. It didn't draw flies, nowhere close to 25K, even with George Allen coaching. And that was before the Chargers moved to town. LBSU football wouldn't even be a blip on the LA media radar screen. SC probably has exclusive rights to the Coliseum for college football. Even if your fantasy came true, no way would USC relinquish those rights. Invite SDSU. There's our SoCal connection. Here is my reasoning - I think the PAC needs 12 teams. San Diego State is choice 1a, 1b, 1c, and so on. I also believe a team in LA, Orange (County), or the Inland Empire is important. Now if SDSU is #11, who is #12? Most of these are just plain stupid to think about. Fresno, San Jose, Sacramento, UtahState, UNLV, New Mexico, ColoradoState, Montana, Boise, NorthDakotaState, SMU, UTSA, and so on. If you wanted a team in greater LA, the choices would be Long Beach, Fullerton, Irvine, Riverside, Northridge, Loyola Marymount, Cal State LA, Pepperdine, Cal Poly Pomona and probably others. Out of that group LBSU is my winner with maybe consideration to Cal State LA. From the first list, I think UNLV, Fresno, and Boise are the only ones that take more than a dismissive wave. I'd chose UNLV from that group. Picking between LBSU and UNLV I think there is more upside in Beach (49'ers). I'm probably less of an expert than you are at this. I say that with a laugh because you are no expert at all. I have had apartments and spent a lot of time in the LA area and kind of lived in Vegas for a few basketball seasons. Obviously the PAC is in a bad place. As I see it the best outcome for OSU is for no one else to leave. Then pick up two schools. And finally make a media deal in conjunction with another conference, probably the B12. If we play in the Mountain West starting in 2024, I'll still attend and bleed orange. |
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Post by jdogge on Jul 5, 2022 21:58:59 GMT -8
The LA Times is reporting the Big Ten is done, for now. So we can expect the remaining ten schools to stay together as a conference for now, because in reality they have no other option. And what remains is still pretty formidable, despite the "sky is falling" rhetoric I'm reading here. 1. Even without LA, if the Pac-10 stays together it will have the country's #6 (Bay Area), # 11 (Phoenix), # 12 (Seattle), # 16 (Denver), # 21 (Portland), #30 (SLC), and # 64 (Tucson) TV markets. 2. Expand to UNLV and SDSU. That adds the # 27 (San Diego) and # 40 (Vegas) markets. And both of those areas are growing like gangbusters. They have baseball and softball, programs we need since we are losing the Bruins in both and SC in baseball. 3. Get a new TV contract. Yes, we don't have as much leverage without the # 2 market. Duh, that hurt big-time. But we still have six of the country's top 30 markets, in ears that are growing, unlike some (for now) larger Rust Belt markets like Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and Midwest dead zones like Indianapolis and St. Louis. 4. Make USC and UCLA ineligible for conference postseason play and automatic NCAA berths. They are too valuable to bestow on traitors. If they get in at-large, so be it. But do not facilitate anything that helps them. No Pac-12 basketball, baseball or softball tournament. Their individuals can compete in post-season competition like the swimming, cross country and track meets, but they cannot win a team title. 5. Reach out to the University of Denver about affiliate status in soccer and gymnastics, programs the Pios excel in. We'll need a 6th men's soccer program to maintain an automatic NCAA berth. Denver fills that need (SDSU already has affiliate status). 6. Don't panic. Concern, yes. But don't panic. Let the dust settle. The remaining 10 presidents need to make it clear the Pac-whatever will continue as a viable entity. Word out of the governor's office that she will block UO from joining a new conference unless OSU goes with them. A similar legislative initiative out of Washington: no UW without WSU. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jul 5, 2022 23:01:29 GMT -8
Wilner points out that media markets are dying in relevance with cable TV, and he references brand value (as an audience draw) as the new metric. Both Cal and Stanford offer little, despite their location and alumni base - he doesn’t even see football surviving at their schools www.si.com/college/cal/.amp/news/wilner-pessimistic-about-cals-futureI actually think oregon and UW are more valuable brands than UCLA on these newer metrics, and not far behind USC. Nike has invested heavily in building oregons brand, and it should pay dividends in this situation. Obviously the B1G sees it differently, but they maybe living in the past or perhaps expect NIL to revive these programs and fan bases. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 6, 2022 5:37:30 GMT -8
There is no market for LBSU football. None. It didn't draw flies, nowhere close to 25K, even with George Allen coaching. And that was before the Chargers moved to town. LBSU football wouldn't even be a blip on the LA media radar screen. SC probably has exclusive rights to the Coliseum for college football. Even if your fantasy came true, no way would USC relinquish those rights. Invite SDSU. There's our SoCal connection. Here is my reasoning - I think the PAC needs 12 teams. San Diego State is choice 1a, 1b, 1c, and so on. I also believe a team in LA, Orange (County), or the Inland Empire is important. Now if SDSU is #11, who is #12? Most of these are just plain stupid to think about. Fresno, San Jose, Sacramento, UtahState, UNLV, New Mexico, ColoradoState, Montana, Boise, NorthDakotaState, SMU, UTSA, and so on. If you wanted a team in greater LA, the choices would be Long Beach, Fullerton, Irvine, Riverside, Northridge, Loyola Marymount, Cal State LA, Pepperdine, Cal Poly Pomona and probably others. Out of that group LBSU is my winner with maybe consideration to Cal State LA. From the first list, I think UNLV, Fresno, and Boise are the only ones that take more than a dismissive wave. I'd chose UNLV from that group. Picking between LBSU and UNLV I think there is more upside in Beach (49'ers). I'm probably less of an expert than you are at this. I say that with a laugh because you are no expert at all. I have had apartments and spent a lot of time in the LA area and kind of lived in Vegas for a few basketball seasons. Obviously the PAC is in a bad place. As I see it the best outcome for OSU is for no one else to leave. Then pick up two schools. And finally make a media deal in conjunction with another conference, probably the B12. If we play in the Mountain West starting in 2024, I'll still attend and bleed orange. What is this? Imagine if the ACC felt the New York market was so important they recruited Columbia or NYU to join....primarily to play football. The Pac 12 is already the joke of the P5...let's not make it worse. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 6, 2022 5:53:18 GMT -8
At the end of the day...this is still all about generating TV revenue. Which may be a blessing to saving the Pac 12 IF you can get Oregon and Waahington to sign on long term.
A Pac 12 Big 12 merger waters down whatever pool of money it can get out of ESPN/Fox. You are splitting the revenue with a ton of teams.
If Pac 12 can hold and add two programs...it still has a place at the bargaining table with the other P5 conferences...albeit the Big 10 and SEC hold all the cards.
And there is some benefit to those two conferences to keep the other P5 conferences afloat...there are other sports involved too.
The 3 minor P5 conferences at this point really should form an alliance...and maybe do it with the G5 conferences in tow.
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Post by sparty on Jul 6, 2022 7:50:11 GMT -8
At the end of the day...this is still all about generating TV revenue. Which may be a blessing to saving the Pac 12 IF you can get Oregon and Waahington to sign on long term. A Pac 12 Big 12 merger waters down whatever pool of money it can get out of ESPN/Fox. You are splitting the revenue with a ton of teams. If Pac 12 can hold and add two programs...it still has a place at the bargaining table with the other P5 conferences...albeit the Big 10 and SEC hold all the cards. And there is some benefit to those two conferences to keep the other P5 conferences afloat...there are other sports involved too. The 3 minor P5 conferences at this point really should form an alliance...and maybe do it with the G5 conferences in tow. Situation is dire at this point. The horses have been let out of the barn . |
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