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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 22, 2018 20:22:40 GMT -8
If it isn't true, I doubt the rest. Don't kid yourself, even if false, you can bet that this will be brought up time and again, especially when SC and the Beavs are recruiting the same kids (not that we get a lot of those to Corvallis). If you think otherwise I would strongly disagree, and it will be fodder for all the other PAC schools as well and you can count on it. Noted. |
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Post by mainbeaver1 on Feb 22, 2018 21:49:12 GMT -8
If it isn't true, I doubt the rest. Don't kid yourself, even if false, you can bet that this will be brought up time and again, especially when SC and the Beavs are recruiting the same kids (not that we get a lot of those to Corvallis). If you think otherwise I would strongly disagree, and it will be fodder for all the other PAC schools as well and you can count on it. True.... its already a story going around nationally. My friends in Connecticut (UCONN fans) heard about it. In today's Albany DH newspaper a letter to editor complaining about our "racist" fans. Even if false it will be out there as a negative to or program. Its the way things work today. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 22, 2018 22:45:10 GMT -8
During the game or after the game? If during, I say BS since they would be yelling over the beaver bench, someone would have heard it. If after the game, during the handshake line, it would be only slightly more possible. Even if everyone except the alleged fan from that section were to leave immediately you still have the ushers and state troopers in and near the tunnel and if it were to happen on the other end of the bench there is the scorers table. But, apparently, this is a guilty until proven innocent situation. I would like to hear some corroboration from somebody. Aren't those all reserved seats on the floor level on both sides of the court? There is a name and contact information for each seat. Should be an easy job to make some calls and find out if there are any witnesses. I have heard from some friends who have season tickets in a location of concern that they were called and asked if they heard or saw anything. None of them had but it confirms that an investigation is underway. |
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Post by willtalk on Feb 23, 2018 9:37:30 GMT -8
There is a distinct difference between beaverfevers logistical perspective on plausibility and the motivational plausibility that you are referring to. The fact that you can not comprehend why someone would fabricate such a tale is telling. People tend to project their own values and motivation upon others until life experience brings them a rude awakening. Two reasons come to mind, One is the promotion of hidden agenda's. The other is not conscious but simply a distorted sense of reality caused by emotional dysfunctionality. It was very illogical for Simon to draw her fifth foul in the manner that she did. It made no logical sense, yet she still did it. Peoples actions do not always follow a rational course. Sometimes it is temporary and other times it becomes a pattern of behavior. I went into a bit more detail on the " Consquences for accusations" thread. A later poster brought up the potential consequences to recruiting in respect to this issue. That falls into the area of " Hidden agenda". In that case it purely involves a vested interest in the decline of Oregon St. as a competitor for recruits by rival colleges. Some of it might be motivated by jealousy at the success of the WBB program. Another facet of "Hidden Agenda" is motivated by individuals promoting any political or philosophic agenda that might benefit by the divisionary aspect of this issue. Simon didn’t post the allegations. Moore did. I’ll leave the speculation about hidden agendas to you. If it does turn out the allegations were fabricated, USC and Trakh will be the big PR losers, not OSU and Rueck. That is what my “life experience” has taught me. Actually no one really made any formal allegations. Moore simple made a tweet about what she heard either from Simon herself or someone else. I am not even saying that Simon fabricated the story. She might have believed it to be true even when it didn't actually really happen. People with her or similar histories often under emotionally stressful situations confused two or more similar situations. It is very plausible that she might have merged the harassment she was subjected to by fans with a similar past situation where she was indeed hit with racial insults. I really doubt that she will fully fabricated this, because people have stated she was visibly upset, crying etc. That fits more into the scenario I described. Very unlike her calculated acting job when she drew that flagrant on Maria. The second type of agenda that I described- One of which would be a vested interest in hurting the Oregon program, I have already seen evidence of. I was on another Pac 12 WBB site and many there were eager to jump on this issue. There were people on that site that had previously expressed hostel jealousy in respect to the Oregon St. WCBB program. Believe me they will continue to pound that drum. People will believe any story that reflects a previously ingrained prejudice on their part. Even if this is proven false, it will not hurt the SC program because they did not make any accusations. I think they are well aware of the actual situation or they would have made some sort of statement. The silence on this matter is very telling. Damage has been done already, irregardless to how this plays out. The only difference would be if the accusations are substantiated it will be much much worse. Even if it is not substantiated - Perception will often trump truth. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 23, 2018 9:42:37 GMT -8
Simon didn’t post the allegations. Moore did. I’ll leave the speculation about hidden agendas to you. If it does turn out the allegations were fabricated, USC and Trakh will be the big PR losers, not OSU and Rueck. That is what my “life experience” has taught me. Actually no one really made any formal allegations. Moore simple made a tweet about what she heard either from Simon herself or someone else. I am not even saying that Simon fabricated the story. She might have believed it to be true even when it didn't actually really happen. People with her or similar histories often under emotionally stressful situations confused two or more similar situations. It is very plausible that she might have merged the harassment she was subjected to by fans with a similar past situation where she was indeed hit with racial insults. I really doubt that she will fully fabricated this, because people have stated she was visibly upset, crying etc. That fits more into the scenario I described. Very unlike her calculated acting job when she drew that flagrant on Maria. The second type of agenda that I described- One of which would be a vested interest in hurting the Oregon program, I have already seen evidence of. I was on another Pac 12 WBB site and many there were eager to jump on this issue. There were people on that site that had previously expressed hostel jealousy in respect to the Oregon St. WCBB program. Believe me they will continue to pound that drum. People will believe any story that reflects a previously ingrained prejudice on their part. Even if this is proven false, it will not hurt the SC program because they did not make any accusations. I think they are well aware of the actual situation or they would have made some sort of statement. The silence on this matter is very telling. Damage has been done already, irregardless to how this plays out. The only difference would be if the accusations are substantiated it will be much much worse. Even if it is not substantiated - Perception will often trump truth. Oregon? |
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