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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 18, 2018 19:16:28 GMT -8
www.boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=93800It goes without saying that this would be unacceptable behavior. I would not tolerate it if any fan in my vicinity were spewing racial garbage at opposing players after the game. I would personally confront them and have event security give them the boot. If it is true we need to find out who it was and bar them from Gill for however many years it takes until they’ve grown up and can behave in public. We don’t need that kind of person in Gill. Edit: I see that Minyon Moore has now removed those accusatory tweets from her twitter page. This article is no better than a Danny Moron hit job. Now ALL Germans are apparently racist and want to go back to the Hitler era. Well thought out, Jackass. People are going nuts more every day.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 18, 2018 19:58:57 GMT -8
Isn't assuming Germans are racist actually racist?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 18, 2018 20:05:34 GMT -8
The only time she would have been in front of the OSU bench was during the postgame handshake conga line. That section is mainly filled by fans in their 70s and 80s. I sat near there today, and heard nothing beyond the banter directed at the officials and players that is typical of any game. Perhaps it was a bit more heated today because of the officiating, the closeness of the game, and because USC definitely plays with a chip on its shoulder and exudes a certain amount of arrogance, but I heard no name-calling whatsoever.
The stairwell to her locker room is at the other end of the court. I saw Trakh talking with OSU game-management officials after the game, but didn't see any players. A USC assistant did come barging through the crowd like she owned the place about five minutes after the game, when Trakh was still courtside, and then they left the court.
I'm suspect, especially since I've never heard of any conduct like this before. We even gave all of their seniors flowers before the game, as is customary to opposing seniors on our senior day.
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Post by dK on Feb 18, 2018 20:25:38 GMT -8
Dam right we rode her hard when she fouled out, but not nearly as hard as she rode Marie the whole game. She should have fouled out in the first half. She doesn't have the skill to keep up with players of Marie's caliber so she responds by grabbing, pulling, pushing, our just outright laying on them. This is not a unique situation with her, she plays the same against Hebert, Billings, Anigwe etc. She can get away with it because of the complete incompetence of pac 12 refs. I can say that I didn't hear any racial slurs from where I sat, but that was no where near the Beavers bench. I didn't either and I was fairly close. I did notice though that #35 went through the line after the game with a serious attitude. I didn't see any real acknowledgement of our players from her. Little if any eye contact and hand slaps. I also didn't think the foul made on Tudor at the end was any more than a cheap shot.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 18, 2018 20:36:34 GMT -8
Dam right we rode her hard when she fouled out, but not nearly as hard as she rode Marie the whole game. She should have fouled out in the first half. She doesn't have the skill to keep up with players of Marie's caliber so she responds by grabbing, pulling, pushing, our just outright laying on them. This is not a unique situation with her, she plays the same against Hebert, Billings, Anigwe etc. She can get away with it because of the complete incompetence of pac 12 refs. I can say that I didn't hear any racial slurs from where I sat, but that was no where near the Beavers bench. I didn't either and I was fairly close. I did notice though that #35 went through the line after the game with a serious attitude. I didn't see any real acknowledgement of our players from her. Little if any eye contact and hand slaps. I also didn't think the foul made on Tudor at the end was any more than a cheap shot. I’m going to let it rest for the night before I say anything further. Other than this. What USC chooses to do in the next 24 hours will define whether they believe the allegations in Minyon Moore’s twitter posts are valid. And who should apologize to whom.
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Post by greshambeaver on Feb 18, 2018 20:59:47 GMT -8
Sickening IF true. Sadly, I wouldn't doubt it. I have NO reason to doubt it. Lately...racists have become emboldened, and feel encouraged to show off their ignorance and hatred. I can't imagine WHY....The university needs to be proactive about this, and nip it in the damn bud. This type of thing can fester and cause real problems. Hope it's not true, but if it is. It's the t-RUMP effect!
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Post by jdogge on Feb 18, 2018 21:07:20 GMT -8
Whether we believe it to be true or not is unimportant. I'm sure all of us here would be appalled if it did happen and agree that the allegation needs to be investigated and addressed. None of us want visiting athletes to be treated that way. OSU is better than that; its fans are better than that. So lets let the University investigate and deal with it.
But if it did and it involves students, their butts need to appear before the Student Conduct Committee and their behavior corrected.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Feb 18, 2018 22:48:02 GMT -8
On the flipside, if it did not happen, our fanbase and University is also deserving of an apology.
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 19, 2018 2:39:32 GMT -8
Whether we believe it to be true or not is unimportant. I'm sure all of us here would be appalled if it did happen and agree that the allegation needs to be investigated and addressed. None of us want visiting athletes to be treated that way. OSU is better than that; its fans are better than that. So lets let the University investigate and deal with it. But if it did and it involves students, their butts need to appear before the Student Conduct Committee and their behavior corrected. [br Not all OSU “fans” are better than that. I’ve heard it at football games, basketball games....and intramural games. If you folks haven’t, you are blessed. It only takes one or two s%#t heads to make a stain.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 19, 2018 6:10:15 GMT -8
The cat is out of the bag so to speak. There's an article on my web page this morning with a pic of Minyon and a brief summary. States that players (plural) acknowledge this. Also states that she quickly deleted tweet. Commends OSU officials for taking immediate action. As the title expresses I also hope this isn't true. Thing is, if it's not true the damage is done, in a way. A sad story all the way around.
Edit: I misspoke....Minyon said fans (plural) used racial slurs toward her and her teammates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 6:53:55 GMT -8
Any derogatory comment that was made was apparently directed at HER, not at any of the other players on their team, and she is the one who faked the knockdown from Marie and she is the one who shoved Kat Tudor to the ground. So all indications are that any derogatory comment did not have a racist motivation, but was instead motivated by anger at her behavior on the court as an individual. Even IF a racial slur was used (which I doubt), its use does not necessarily imply underlying racism by the user. It's too simple a formula to say "he used a racial slur, therefore he's racist". MANY people, when insulted or treated disrespectfully will return the favor with whatever insult they can use against the original offender. For instance, suppose somebody adopts an expression of disgust and says "you are butt ugly". MY reaction, ill-advised or not, would be to look at them and find some flaw or feature in them that they could be similarly razzed about. For a person of color, that's an easy thing to do because of our racially charged past. But would I actually BE racist for saying "at least I'm not a stupid ____"? Actually, no. I treat people with respect until I they earn my disrespect. Race is not a factor in my relations to others. But the other person, by treating me disrespectfully, has opened the door to being treated disrespectfully in return.
It should also be noted that Simon is a troubled person with a history of depression and suicidal thoughts. Her obvious proclivity to violence is a reflection of this. She was violent towards Kat Tudor, and she was apparently willing to use violence against a fan. She is an angry and dangerous individual. Exaggerations about what was said to her would not surprise me at all. Blaming her treatment by others on her race could be just a convenient excuse. Her anger of course means she wants to get back at somebody, and her outburst has done exactly that, by tarnishing the University's reputation and producing some very bad publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if she's learned from past behavior just how well that works.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 19, 2018 7:04:52 GMT -8
Amazing how much angst a person can cause by making an accusation nobody heard and doesn't make sense based on the location of benches, locker rooms etc..it appears to me you have a poor loser nothing more and nothing less
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 19, 2018 7:05:22 GMT -8
Any derogatory comment that was made was apparently directed at HER, not at any of the other players on their team, and she is the one who faked the knockdown from Marie and she is the one who shoved Kat Tudor to the ground. So all indications are that any derogatory comment did not have a racist motivation, but was instead motivated by anger at her behavior on the court as an individual. Even IF a racial slur was used (which I doubt), its use does not necessarily imply underlying racism by the user. It's too simple a formula to say "he used a racial slur, therefore he's racist". MANY people, when insulted or treated disrespectfully will return the favor with whatever insult they can use against the original offender. For instance, suppose somebody affects an expression of disgust and says "you are butt ugly". MY reaction, ill-advised or not, would be to look at them and find some flaw or feature in them that they could be similarly razzed about. For a person of color, that's an easy thing to do because of our racially charged past. But would I actually BE racist for saying "at least I'm not a stupid ____"? Actually, no. I treat people with respect until I they earn my disrespect. Race is not a factor in my relations to others. But the other person, by treating me disrespectfully, has opened the door to being treated disrespectfully in return. It should also be noted that Simon is a troubled person with a history of depression and suicidal thoughts. Her obvious proclivity to violence is a reflection of this. Exaggerations about what was said to her would not surprise me at all. I totally agree with what you're saying. Unfortunately the reporting on the story will not give the other side and it's potential of a hoax.
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Post by Tigardbeav on Feb 19, 2018 7:09:49 GMT -8
I totally agree with what you're saying. Unfortunately the reporting on the story will not give the other side and it's potential of a hoax. and good luck with any distinctions in the court of public opinion signed Duke Lacrosse
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 19, 2018 7:10:09 GMT -8
This is sooo true but ask Michael Richards about this. Didn't work out so well for him.
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