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Post by bennyskid on Feb 19, 2018 7:11:39 GMT -8
Sports Illustrated is reporting it. It's official. To the rest of the world, we're all racists now. Thank you, whoever you are . . .
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 19, 2018 8:07:30 GMT -8
Sports Illustrated is reporting it. It's official. To the rest of the world, we're all racists now. Thank you, whoever you are . . . An AP authored version of the story has been the lead story on BSPN's women's basketball page since early yesterday evening. |
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Post by dK on Feb 19, 2018 19:26:44 GMT -8
Whether we believe it to be true or not is unimportant. I'm sure all of us here would be appalled if it did happen and agree that the allegation needs to be investigated and addressed. None of us want visiting athletes to be treated that way. OSU is better than that; its fans are better than that. So lets let the University investigate and deal with it. But if it did and it involves students, their butts need to appear before the Student Conduct Committee and their behavior corrected. Not all OSU “fans” are better than that. I’ve heard it at football games, basketball games....and intramural games. If you folks haven’t, you are blessed. It only takes one or two s%#t heads to make a stain. I sadly have to agree. I sat with a number of PO folks in Gill at a mbb game about 10 years ago and a person I considered a friend dropped a number of n bombs during the game. I can't tell you how shocked and disappointed I was and it ultimately changed my relationship with that PO group. That poster was a prolific and probably beloved poster over there. And no, it wasn't corporal nutsack who I also met on a number of occasions. I also used to get barrages of racist emails about the president and first lady during the Obama administration from a somewhat prominent Beaver fan who donated significant amounts of money to the athletic department. I know from the email list that other posters on this site also got those emails. That said, I don't consider Corvallis, or OSU to be particularly more racist than most places. There are just some serious duckheads everywhere in this world. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 19, 2018 19:44:30 GMT -8
Even IF a racial slur was used (which I doubt), its use does not necessarily imply underlying racism by the user. I'm curious, what would be an indication of racism to your mind? I grew up in Corvallis and as a child used the n-word frequently, but literally did not know what it meant until middle school when a teacher informed me not to use that word again and what it meant (I didn't realize it was race specific, I thought it just meant loser or some such). I have since never used that word or any other racial word as a derogatory term. Doesn't seem that hard to me. Just to be clear, I think using racial slurs DOES imply underlying racism by the user. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 20:04:32 GMT -8
Take a knee. We have to show zero tolerance, OSU and the Pac-12 can show some great unity and not only protect this young girl but show the wider community this behavior is totally unacceptable, not tolerated and be leaders in taking a strong stance for what is right and fair.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 19, 2018 20:15:51 GMT -8
Even IF a racial slur was used (which I doubt), its use does not necessarily imply underlying racism by the user. It most certainly does necessarily imply it. It may not prove it but it CLEARLY implies it. |
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Post by dK on Feb 19, 2018 20:18:02 GMT -8
Even IF a racial slur was used (which I doubt), its use does not necessarily imply underlying racism by the user. I'm curious, what would be an indication of racism to your mind? I grew up in Corvallis and as a child used the n-word frequently, but literally did not know what it meant until middle school when a teacher informed me not to use that word again and what it meant (I didn't realize it was race specific, I thought it just meant loser or some such). I have since never used that word or any other racial word as a derogatory term. Doesn't seem that hard to me. Just to be clear, I think using racial slurs DOES imply underlying racism by the user. I don't see any way anyone that isn't living way up a holler wouldn't know what is racist. I also grew up in Corvallis and didn't have a clue about the n word but that was a long time ago. I had no idea eeny meeny miny moe was racist. I did learn the hard way when I dropped an n bomb overseas in the Army and lost a good black friend from Alabama because of it. I just didn't get "it" until later. Ever since then I have been very aware. It doesn't always work that way. Years later I played in a state softball tourney with a black teammate from Sacramento who was a former OSU wide receiver. Between games we were sharing food and beverages and I offered him some Brazil nuts. He told me "that's not what we call them where I come from." It all depends on who uses it and how. |
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 19, 2018 20:59:43 GMT -8
I grew up in southern Oregon 30 years ago, and didn't realize at all how much racist garbage I had to unlearn upon arriving at OSU. There was literally no diversity where I grew up, and so no checks and balances on terms used, and I suspect the vast majority of us had no idea the meaning behind them until leaving the area. There was clearly a long history of a racist undercurrent that got passed on to us that had absolutely no interest in perpetuating it. That said, anybody that actually attended OSU has no excused, that was part of my education there - some of it the hard way. dK - I don't really understand how you sat next to somebody dropping racist slurs and didn't promptly head down to the security and ask to have him thrown out of Gill. Even if you didn't want to be confrontational, why not ask Security to discretely deal with it? There's no reason to allow that garbage to go unchecked - if you can't treat student athletes decently, you should lose the privilege of attending in person. I have no idea what's true from the USC post-game, but I agree there certainly should be witnesses if it's true, and they should have dealt with it swiftly as well. I sure hope people aren't letting this slide. I do know there's a woman that screams at the refs all game long that can be easily overheard on the radio broadcasts, and she needs to be checked as well or sent packing. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 19, 2018 21:57:32 GMT -8
Take a knee. We have to show zero tolerance, OSU and the Pac-12 can show some great unity and not only protect this young girl but show the wider community this behavior is totally unacceptable, not tolerated and be leaders in taking a strong stance for what is right and fair. Ah, the old guilty until proven innocent Corollary. Very in vogue. |
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Post by orangeexpress on Feb 19, 2018 22:18:24 GMT -8
Scott Barnes arrived at OSU last February, and what a crazy 12 months it has been. He inherited a men's basketball program that nearly lost every conference game last year, has dealt with the unique and toxic LH situation, had his football coach quit midseason (with his prior relationship with that coach likely being the reason he landed the OSU job in the first place) during a lethargic one-win season, and is now working through a publicized racial accusation levied against the OSU fan base at a home sporting event. Ugh...
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 19, 2018 23:24:48 GMT -8
I grew up in southern Oregon 30 years ago, and didn't realize at all how much racist garbage I had to unlearn upon arriving at OSU. There was literally no diversity where I grew up, and so no checks and balances on terms used, and I suspect the vast majority of us had no idea the meaning behind them until leaving the area. There was clearly a long history of a racist undercurrent that got passed on to us that had absolutely no interest in perpetuating it. That said, anybody that actually attended OSU has no excused, that was part of my education there - some of it the hard way. dK - I don't really understand how you sat next to somebody dropping racist slurs and didn't promptly head down to the security and ask to have him thrown out of Gill. Even if you didn't want to be confrontational, why not ask Security to discretely deal with it? There's no reason to allow that garbage to go unchecked - if you can't treat student athletes decently, you should lose the privilege of attending in person. I have no idea what's true from the USC post-game, but I agree there certainly should be witnesses if it's true, and they should have dealt with it swiftly as well. I sure hope people aren't letting this slide. I do know there's a woman that screams at the refs all game long that can be easily overheard on the radio broadcasts, and she needs to be checked as well or sent packing.I believe she is a short grey haired woman sitting front row chairs, about 3-4 from end of the table. She was actually on the court twice yelling... once was right after the "T"... she may have been 5-6' onto the playing surface. |
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Post by dK on Feb 20, 2018 0:00:18 GMT -8
I grew up in southern Oregon 30 years ago, and didn't realize at all how much racist garbage I had to unlearn upon arriving at OSU. There was literally no diversity where I grew up, and so no checks and balances on terms used, and I suspect the vast majority of us had no idea the meaning behind them until leaving the area. There was clearly a long history of a racist undercurrent that got passed on to us that had absolutely no interest in perpetuating it. That said, anybody that actually attended OSU has no excused, that was part of my education there - some of it the hard way. dK - I don't really understand how you sat next to somebody dropping racist slurs and didn't promptly head down to the security and ask to have him thrown out of Gill. Even if you didn't want to be confrontational, why not ask Security to discretely deal with it? There's no reason to allow that garbage to go unchecked - if you can't treat student athletes decently, you should lose the privilege of attending in person. I have no idea what's true from the USC post-game, but I agree there certainly should be witnesses if it's true, and they should have dealt with it swiftly as well. I sure hope people aren't letting this slide. I do know there's a woman that screams at the refs all game long that can be easily overheard on the radio broadcasts, and she needs to be checked as well or sent packing. This individual wasn't yelling racist slurs. He was talking to the people he was with. I didn't like it but don't get why I was supposed to turn him into security. For what? Being an asshole? The guy sitting on the other side of me was a tsu fan and he was also an asshole. |
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 20, 2018 0:02:33 GMT -8
Whole thing sounds insane. Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if it was true, some fans here do get out of hand... I remember at the crowd one time the coaches had to tell a fan to put away her sign as it was very inappropriate and insensitive. Just one clear example, but there are some very immature people in the crowd (regardless of age) that I've seen over the years.
Now what's tough about these situations nowadays is that even accusations are almost labeled as guilty no matter what the outcome. Even if it comes out innocent people will still talk and say it was brushed under the table.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 6:25:33 GMT -8
It most certainly does necessarily imply it. It may not prove it but it CLEARLY implies it. If a war veteran who lost his legs adopts a sneering, disgusted expression and says to me "you are BUTT ugly!, and I say in return "Yeah, but at least I'm not half a man" (in line with the reflexive desire to hit back at whatever vulnerability the offender might display), then does that mean or even imply that I'm prejudiced against disabled war veterans? (Let's assume only he and I can hear what I said.) Maybe now you can grasp the concept that words don't always imply "the obvious", but instead reflect a basic reflex that we've all felt and experienced. |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 20, 2018 6:31:52 GMT -8
It most certainly does necessarily imply it. It may not prove it but it CLEARLY implies it. If a war veteran who lost his legs adopts a sneering, disgusted expression and says to me "you are BUTT ugly!, and I say in return "Yeah, but at least I'm not half a man" (in line with the reflexive desire to hit back at whatever vulnerability the offender might display), then does that mean or even imply that I'm prejudiced against disabled war veterans? (Let's assume only he and I can hear what I said.) Maybe now you can grasp the concept that words don't always imply "the obvious", but instead reflect a basic reflex that we've all felt and experienced. I totally agree. In fact, many times what is referred to as racist is in reality adolescent. But as Tigardbeav said in an earlier post, good luck with that in public opinion. To reiterate, see Michael Richards. |
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