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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 15:47:30 GMT -8
I get the sense that some of the moves the Pac-12 just made are simply meant to rebuild the visibility, reputation and brand of the Pac-12 conference NOW, in the short term. Right now, and probably for at least 3-4+ more years, Gonzaga will add significant value during March Madness, both in men's and and women's brackets. Baseball and gymnastics also have some high-visibility programs (the Beavers, for example). Will be interesting to see where the additional juice for football will come from, or whether it's a "just get to 8+" play now.
Hopefully we weren't so heads down negotiating with Gonzaga that we lost sight of what the MWC was doing with potential western US football targets (and we have a plan for football). Now we all just await seeing that part of the plan play out - because not sure there are many "Pac-12 cachet-enhancing" football targets left in the western US. Enhancing cachet may require looking further east. A couple "get to 8+" targets, however, lurk in the west. Who the Pac-12 accepts next will tell us a lot about the strategy ahead (assuming there is one :-)).
Go Beavers!
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 16:39:27 GMT -8
There is a lot of hand wringing about Few retiring, but he built a dynasty. Gonzaga is a mega desirable job that will attract elite talent. When he retires somebody will come in and keep it going, and/or just like Few, maybe a current assistant will be groomed to keep it alive. I am not sweating the impending Few retirement in a handful of years. Went you get good, you usually stay good especially when the school wants you to be good. Oregon State was good at basket ball. our problem was we had a long period of time where our ADs and presidents really didn't give a s%#t about us being good and were okay with mediocre being reason enough to extend a contract. Yeah... 26 NCAA tourney appearances since 1995. They're not falling off the map. Yeah, especially if they hire Few’s top loyal assistant to carry the program through. That always works. Doesn’t it? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2024 17:40:08 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. Sac State is not an FBS university. Neither are the Montana schools. Unless they are first apply, and then are granted, FBS status before 2026 they are a non-starter. I think they are a non-starter from the get-go, but OMMV. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 17:43:20 GMT -8
If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. Sac State is not an FBS university. Neither are the Montana schools. Unless they are first apply, and then are granted, FBS status before 2026 they are a non-starter. I think they are a non-starter from the get-go, but OMMV. And nowhere did I say that in what you quoted. Reread. |
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 1, 2024 17:57:09 GMT -8
UCONN off the table as an all sports add or a football only add. By the process of eliminating AAC and MWC I’d say the PAC is most definitely on the clock. www.courant.com/2024/10/01/source-uconn-wont-join-pac-12-doesnt-consider-conference-the-right-fit/?share=tcjnnrr2onohtnon1di0Tick, tock… “The wheels of collegiate conference realignment are spinning again, with basketball powerhouse Gonzaga set to join the newly configured Pac-12. Though the possibility of UConn joining the Pac-12 as a football-only complement was explored last week, this will not happen. UConn sources, requesting anonymity, told The Courant the university doesn’t consider this the right fit at this time. So UConn, for the moment, will remain independent in football, in a season in which it has shown significant competitive improvement, and a member of the Big East in basketball and most other sports. UConn’s long-held ambition is to join one of the power conferences. Talks with the Big 12 were paused last month.” I'm starting to see a pattern here. Pac-12 makes a big announcement involving additional teams that are joining this crazy experiment. Excitement ensues, people wonder "what's next?", and this results in a frenzy of media activity. The media reaches out to other potential targets, who are probably getting hit from tons of different directions, and they immediately go into a defensive posture. Maybe they reach out to others in their conference, settle each other down, and come back with a "Oh no, we like where we're at, we have no plans to leave, that's not a very good fit." Then everything quiets down, leaving space for the real work to quietly get done on the next expansion target, whomever it may be. Bottom line....I'm learning to ignore all those instant cries of rejection every time the Pac-12 makes a move. The media eats it up, and they are definitely not on our side. In Theresa and Scott I trust. Those guys are gettin' sh*t done. |
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Post by ftd on Oct 1, 2024 18:01:59 GMT -8
Yeah... 26 NCAA tourney appearances since 1995. They're not falling off the map. Yeah, especially if they hire Few’s top loyal assistant to carry the program through. That always works. Doesn’t it? As long as they don't Jimmy with success they will be fine |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2024 18:55:47 GMT -8
Sac State is not an FBS university. Neither are the Montana schools. Unless they are first apply, and then are granted, FBS status before 2026 they are a non-starter. I think they are a non-starter from the get-go, but OMMV. And nowhere did I say that in what you quoted. Reread. I don't need to reread anything. You said you would take Sac State and the Montana schools before NMSU. That's not possible. They are a non-starter from the get-go, because they are not FBS schools. The Montana schools haven't even given any indication they want to be FBS schools. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 1, 2024 21:54:01 GMT -8
If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. Sac State is not an FBS university. Neither are the Montana schools. Unless they are first apply, and then are granted, FBS status before 2026 they are a non-starter. I think they are a non-starter from the get-go, but OMMV. I am not 100% on timing, but the FCS-to-FBS deadline is not until sometime in May at the earliest. As long as they start the transition by 2026, they count toward the eight required, i.e. they do not need to be full FBS members. If you are adding an FCS team, though, you basically need to do it by this May. Otherwise, it might not all work out in time. Still, you have time even after the basketball tournaments to get an FCS team lined up. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 2, 2024 5:25:20 GMT -8
And nowhere did I say that in what you quoted. Reread. I don't need to reread anything. You said you would take Sac State and the Montana schools before NMSU. That's not possible. They are a non-starter from the get-go, because they are not FBS schools. The Montana schools haven't even given any indication they want to be FBS schools. Wilky seems to disagree with your assertion, nor do I care. So I'll say it again since its simply an opinion. I'd take Sac State and/or the Montana Schools over arguably one of the worst 5 FBS football programs in the country. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2024 6:53:13 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis.
It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting.
Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 2, 2024 8:20:05 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis. It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting. Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question. As a University, also in the SDSU tier of education and also, again, in a higher tier than Boise State or Fresno state. an R2 university. NMSU doesn't have an illustrious football history, but Jerry Kill came in and got them to 10 wins. last year. that was a thing. there is potential there. And since we are a basketball conference now, yeah, they are pretty good there too. List, the most important thing here is State is in the name. in my book they are in. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 2, 2024 8:22:33 GMT -8
Keep the conference as Western region as possible with like schools. I would consider the state of New Mexico to be solidly in the West. Add both NM major universties.
If we head into Texas, let's get both Texas St. and UTSA, in addition to the NM schools.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 2, 2024 9:19:32 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis. It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting. Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question. NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 2, 2024 9:22:54 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis. It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting. Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question. NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS And? What kind of eyeballs can they bring for football and MBB? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2024 9:28:29 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis. It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting. Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question. NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS They’re perfect!! |
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