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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 2, 2024 9:28:36 GMT -8
NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS And? What kind of eyeballs can they bring for football and MBB? What kind of eyeballs does NMSU bring for football? Do we really want to have that discussion? No argument about MBB, but its not like they are Gonzaga, or even SDSU. Solid add no doubt but at the end of the day does adding NMSU add anything to a football media package other than watering it down? Certainly you could say the same thing about Sac State, but it would be the largest media market in the Pac 12, and quite frankly other than a few random years, Sac State has a better football program as an FCS school than NMSU does as an FBS school. FWIW, Per this site Sac State's Power Ratings (122) is higher right now than SDSU, CSU, and Utah State, much less NMS, which is way way way down at 201st. www.sports-ratings.com/college_football/power-rating-all-divisions. Edit...First and foremost I want the Pac 12 to add the best football program(s) it can, hopefully Memphis, Tulane, USF, perhaps all three. I'll even take Tex State just because it's in "Texas" and has "State" in it. But for me if it gets down to a last best choice between the absolute dregs of FBS or a FCS program committed to winning, in a big media market, and yeah, committed to the investment ($50 mil in NIL?), that's a no brainer for me. It's actually kind of crazy to think about, that is a massive investment. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2024 9:38:29 GMT -8
Las Cruces, NM
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Post by ag87 on Oct 2, 2024 10:24:22 GMT -8
And? What kind of eyeballs can they bring for football and MBB? What kind of eyeballs does NMSU bring for football? Do we really want to have that discussion? No argument about MBB, but its not like they are Gonzaga, or even SDSU. Solid add no doubt but at the end of the day does adding NMSU add anything to a football media package other than watering it down? Certainly you could say the same thing about Sac State, but it would be the largest media market in the Pac 12, and quite frankly other than a few random years, Sac State has a better football program as an FCS school than NMSU does as an FBS school. FWIW, Per this site Sac State's Power Ratings (122) is higher right now than SDSU, CSU, and Utah State, much less NMS, which is way way way down at 201st. www.sports-ratings.com/college_football/power-rating-all-divisions. Edit...First and foremost I want the Pac 12 to add the best football program(s) it can, hopefully Memphis, Tulane, USF, perhaps all three. I'll even take Tex State just because it's in "Texas" and has "State" in it. But for me if it gets down to a last best choice between the absolute dregs of FBS or a FCS program committed to winning, in a big media market, and yeah, committed to the investment ($50 mil in NIL?), that's a no brainer for me. It's actually kind of crazy to think about, that is a massive investment. Yes, I like Las Cruces. But as an addition to the PAC, I don't see any positives - not even one. edit - I take that back. They have "state" as part of their name. It's a small CSA with El Paso and they are clearly #2 in the area. I had a colleague who was an adjunct prof there and he said if he drove too fast, he could make it in three hours from ABQ. The football stadium is small and the team is almost always lousy. The basketball team forfeited the last 12 or so games of their season in 2022 (excessive hazing?). Bringing in a current FCS school is not a good idea. Yet, I think there are about 10 better current FCS schools as candidates than New Mexico State. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2024 11:35:08 GMT -8
NMSU has played in bowl games the past two seasons, and in three bowls since 2017. It has played in the NCAA men's basketball tournament nine times since 2010. It has played in the NCAA baseball tournament twice since 2018, the most recent time (2022) in Corvallis. It is far from the worst football program in America. IMHO, right now that is Kent State, who we are not targeting. Would it be the best choice? Not over an AAC team. Would it be a far better choice than a current FCS team, or two other current FCS teams that have shown no indication at all they are even considering the extremely expensive move up to FBS? No question. NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS Considering our football history from 1971-98, and our men's basketball history from 1990 through today, taking pot shots at other schools might not be the smartest approach. You can live in the past if you want; what NMSU did 30 years ago is hardly relevant to any 2024 conversation. I prefer to live in the present. Are they the perfect choice? Far from it. But they would do, in a pinch, if it came to that. Besides, I do not think the Pac is going to invite NMSU. First you said NMSU was the worst program in FBS. Several posts later they're just in the bottom 5. So, they're improving quickly. And all we've seen so from from Sac State about its commitment to winning is a lot of talk. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2024 20:41:06 GMT -8
NMSU has played in 6 bowl games since 1935, or 6 bowl games in 90 years NMSU has not won a conference championship since 1978, or 46 years NMSU from 2005 through 2021 won 46 games total, or 2.7/year. From 1984 through 1991 it won10 games, or 1.25/year NMSU has had exactly 6 winning seasons since 1978. Or 25 losing ones, 26 after this year NMSU is 1-4 this year and has already lost to Sam Houston State and New Mexico, arguably the worst team in the MWC, and quite possible the only win NM has this year NMSU is one of the worst 5 football programs in FBS Considering our football history from 1971-98, and our men's basketball history from 1990 through today, taking pot shots at other schools might not be the smartest approach. You can live in the past if you want; what NMSU did 30 years ago is hardly relevant to any 2024 conversation. I prefer to live in the present. Are they the perfect choice? Far from it. But they would do, in a pinch, if it came to that. Besides, I do not think the Pac is going to invite NMSU. First you said NMSU was the worst program in FBS. Several posts later they're just in the bottom 5. So, they're improving quickly.
And all we've seen so from from Sac State about its commitment to winning is a lot of talk. Sac State just announced that they will tear down Hornet Stadium at the end of this year and will build a new and larger Hornet Stadium ready by 2026, if they are invited. They already have initial drawings. The Kings have already offered to let the Hornets play all Pac-12 Conference basketball games at the Golden 1 Center. Sac State has already raised more than $35 million in real money. Sac State seems to be doing more than talking. As long as they are invited by May, they can be the eighth Pac-12 team by 2026. I am not sure that Sac State is THE answer, but they certainly are an answer. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 3, 2024 21:01:10 GMT -8
Hmm. We spend $150 million or more for 1/4 of a stadium; $35 million was less than half of the down payment.
I guess they're an answer, to a question I hope we never have to ask.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 3, 2024 21:29:12 GMT -8
Hmm. We spend $150 million or more for 1/4 of a stadium; $35 million was less than half of the down payment. I guess they're an answer, to a question I hope we never have to ask. Yeah... not really sold on Sac St. But, unless we know the inside info who knows who will be the best fit. But, let's not get into the spending on Reser. That's an entire thread in and of itself. It's very nice. I'd argue that $360 mil in renovations & additions since 2005 is ridiculous. Knowing what we know now probably makes it more so. Furd tore down, rebuilt in the off season for $90 mil in 2005. Not sure if they've added upgrades since? But, it's a great place to watch a game. They seats will last forever as they're rarely used! Even though it wasn't like cash on hand I'd love for OSU to have access to $270 mil or so on hand now! |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2024 21:41:29 GMT -8
Hmm. We spend $150 million or more for 1/4 of a stadium; $35 million was less than half of the down payment. I guess they're an answer, to a question I hope we never have to ask. Yeah... not really sold on Sac St. But, unless we know the inside info who knows who will be the best fit. But, let's not get into the spending on Reser. That's an entire thread in and of itself. It's very nice. I'd argue that $360 mil in renovations & additions since 2005 is ridiculous. Knowing what we know now probably makes it more so. Furd tore down, rebuilt in the off season for $90 mil in 2005. Not sure if they've added upgrades since? But, it's a great place to watch a game. They seats will last forever as they're rarely used! Even though it wasn't like cash on hand I'd love for OSU to have access to $270 mil or so on hand now! I heard that Stanford wound up paying around $100 million at the end of the day. Fundraising started in 2005, but demolition did not start until 2006 and was not completed until 2007. Still, Stanford did not play in a game in anything less than a fully functional stadium. Oregon Sate paid almost four times as much for a stadium more than 40% smaller and played the greatest season of the past 20 years in a partially-completed stadium. What happened to the other $260 million? Where exactly did that money really go? There's a reason that the Pac-12 was down to two teams this year........... |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 3, 2024 23:45:54 GMT -8
Considering our football history from 1971-98, and our men's basketball history from 1990 through today, taking pot shots at other schools might not be the smartest approach. You can live in the past if you want; what NMSU did 30 years ago is hardly relevant to any 2024 conversation. I prefer to live in the present. Are they the perfect choice? Far from it. But they would do, in a pinch, if it came to that. Besides, I do not think the Pac is going to invite NMSU. First you said NMSU was the worst program in FBS. Several posts later they're just in the bottom 5. So, they're improving quickly.
And all we've seen so from from Sac State about its commitment to winning is a lot of talk. Sac State just announced that they will tear down Hornet Stadium at the end of this year and will build a new and larger Hornet Stadium ready by 2026, if they are invited. They already have initial drawings. The Kings have already offered to let the Hornets play all Pac-12 Conference basketball games at the Golden 1 Center. Sac State has already raised more than $35 million in real money. Sac State seems to be doing more than talking. As long as they are invited by May, they can be the eighth Pac-12 team by 2026. I am not sure that Sac State is THE answer, but they certainly are an answer. Certainly better than NMSU, at least for football. The renderings are out too, word is one of the big donors is Kings owner. One way to look at Sac State if they make the jump to FBS and MWC takes them is the Pac can always leach them in the future. I get the anti FCS bias. I don't disagree with it. I'm just keeping an open mind given the state of things and Sac State at least appears to be making a massive investment. They are a good FCS program in a major TV market with big money behind it. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 4, 2024 7:34:26 GMT -8
Hmm. We spend $150 million or more for 1/4 of a stadium; $35 million was less than half of the down payment. I guess they're an answer, to a question I hope we never have to ask. We have four or five answers before we get here. Our rebuild was a significant teardown and rebuild for sure. with that said, whatever Sac State is borrowing a lot of money to build something, no matter what. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 4, 2024 7:44:41 GMT -8
Hmm. We spend $150 million or more for 1/4 of a stadium; $35 million was less than half of the down payment. I guess they're an answer, to a question I hope we never have to ask. We have four or five answers before we get here. Our rebuild was a significant teardown and rebuild for sure. with that said, whatever Sac State is borrowing a lot of money to build something, no matter what. I think their goal is to also land an MLS team to play in it. So a really different situation than Reser Rebuild and sources of funding |
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 4, 2024 7:50:17 GMT -8
Yeah... not really sold on Sac St. But, unless we know the inside info who knows who will be the best fit. But, let's not get into the spending on Reser. That's an entire thread in and of itself. It's very nice. I'd argue that $360 mil in renovations & additions since 2005 is ridiculous. Knowing what we know now probably makes it more so. Furd tore down, rebuilt in the off season for $90 mil in 2005. Not sure if they've added upgrades since? But, it's a great place to watch a game. They seats will last forever as they're rarely used! Even though it wasn't like cash on hand I'd love for OSU to have access to $270 mil or so on hand now! I heard that Stanford wound up paying around $100 million at the end of the day. Fundraising started in 2005, but demolition did not start until 2006 and was not completed until 2007. Still, Stanford did not play in a game in anything less than a fully functional stadium. Oregon Sate paid almost four times as much for a stadium more than 40% smaller and played the greatest season of the past 20 years in a partially-completed stadium. What happened to the other $260 million? Where exactly did that money really go?There's a reason that the Pac-12 was down to two teams this year........... You know at least part of the answer, which is one of the reasons why you and others live outside of this state.
I think the money is in the same place as my state tax refund, which is yet to be paid, 7 months after filing my return. And, according to my accountant, there are thousands of us still waiting. I wonder - will they be paying me penalties and interest, same as if I was 7 months late? |
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Post by beavfan14 on Oct 4, 2024 13:38:15 GMT -8
For all the people saying 35mil for a new stadium, that's not what they raised the money for. The 35mil is for their potential NIL program. They talked about funding for the new stadium coming from different sources, separate from the NIL money. All the articles clearly say they won't know the final cost for a new stadium until they know if they get an invite. It's a small stadium, although only about 500 less then Utah State, but the renderings are pretty nice.
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Post by jbjam on Oct 5, 2024 1:17:47 GMT -8
Media markets do not necessarily mean much to a steamer. Beyond potential subscribers. Eyeballs, which comes from brand strength are all that matter.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 5, 2024 8:47:08 GMT -8
If all you want is a media market, invite SJSU. I don't think the seven MWC schools have signed on officially yet.
The market is twice the size of Sacramento, they're already FBS and they already have a stadium. Or at least 2/3 of a stadium.
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