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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 12:31:16 GMT -8
So if the MWC signs the GOR’s after the MOU’s the P12 is SOL?
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 12:32:42 GMT -8
Depends on your definition of traditional. If you're a HS senior, they've been in the tourney every year since you were born.. Actually 26 straight years. Yeah, how long does it take to make a tradition? an entire generation would seem to count. Obviously they have made the NCAA every season since 1999 except for COVID year when it wasn't held and are 716-143 overall in that time. 8 30+ win seasons, 22 25+ win seasons. 23 wins is his worse season. But the rebuild started before Few, even though he was on staff. Dan Fitzgerald got it going in the early 1990s, by 1993 he had turned the corner, started getting 20+ win seasons and NIT and NCAA tournament appearances. Dan Monson kept it up for two seasons with and NIT and NCAA elite 8 showing (and 28 game season in his own right) before Few took over. Few is great, but he alone didn't turn Gonzaga around. He has just provided it fairly unparalleled consistency. FYI. I did actually average their NCAA performance. on the long haul in term of "units" Gonzaga will average 3 units (or basically a sweet 16) the Zags are currently worth $6M a year in NCAA tourney credits alone. Well, sort of... Under the new Pac-12 terms, the Zags would be allowed to keep 50%. So they're "only" worth $3mil, on average, if they continue winning. If they don't continue winning, it's a problem. The question is, how much are they worth from a media perspective and how much are they worth from increased attendance at other schools? |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 12:34:31 GMT -8
So if the MWC signs the GOR’s after the MOU’s the P12 is SOL? Yeah. MOU are not binding. GORs are. It is why FSU is suing, to try and escape their GOR. A MOU is not a contract in any way. but a GOR (Grant of Rights) is a contract that is binding. and of course the subject of legal deliberations. Any team that has agreed in name only can, in theory leave. Really it works both ways, any of our currently agreed teams can back out too. |
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Post by ag87 on Oct 1, 2024 12:45:04 GMT -8
What I want to know is did Gonzaga agree to add the name "state" in their official name? As in Gonzaga State University. I thought that was a requirement for the new PAC.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 13:21:51 GMT -8
Yeah, how long does it take to make a tradition? an entire generation would seem to count. Obviously they have made the NCAA every season since 1999 except for COVID year when it wasn't held and are 716-143 overall in that time. 8 30+ win seasons, 22 25+ win seasons. 23 wins is his worse season. But the rebuild started before Few, even though he was on staff. Dan Fitzgerald got it going in the early 1990s, by 1993 he had turned the corner, started getting 20+ win seasons and NIT and NCAA tournament appearances. Dan Monson kept it up for two seasons with and NIT and NCAA elite 8 showing (and 28 game season in his own right) before Few took over. Few is great, but he alone didn't turn Gonzaga around. He has just provided it fairly unparalleled consistency. FYI. I did actually average their NCAA performance. on the long haul in term of "units" Gonzaga will average 3 units (or basically a sweet 16) the Zags are currently worth $6M a year in NCAA tourney credits alone. Well, sort of... Under the new Pac-12 terms, the Zags would be allowed to keep 50%. So they're "only" worth $3mil, on average, if they continue winning. If they don't continue winning, it's a problem. The question is, how much are they worth from a media perspective and how much are they worth from increased attendance at other schools? Well, it's been reported that we are paying them a full conference share, even though they don't have football. So, I guess we're estimating they have a lot of value. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 1, 2024 13:36:35 GMT -8
This get of Gonzaga seems like gigantically great news! No telling when Mark Few will retire, which could put a damper on things, but this is a big shot in the arm for the re-built Pac-12's image, even if it doesn't help football. I've never been one to think I know better than the coaches or admins or presidents, given that it is their JOB, and they have, oh, infinitely more data than I do, so it probably comes as no surprise that I'm not stressing TOO much about who we're going to add for football. I know it won't be a big name, as there are none left, but I also know that much thought and effort will go into getting the best we can, from a media and compatibility standpoint. It will be easy to cast stones if it's a "lesser" school, but IMO this rebuild will be a success when we add an 8th football school, no matter who it is. We're not going to convince the rest of the country that it is a noteworthy football conference until/unless our members do something noteworthy (like win a Heisman or win a playoff game), and this will be true no matter who we add for our 8th (or 9th or 10th). The most important things are a) get to 8, so we have a conference, b) attract a good media deal(s), c) stay relevant. There is a lot of hand wringing about Few retiring, but he built a dynasty. Gonzaga is a mega desirable job that will attract elite talent. When he retires somebody will come in and keep it going, and/or just like Few, maybe a current assistant will be groomed to keep it alive. I am not sweating the impending Few retirement in a handful of years. Went you get good, you usually stay good especially when the school wants you to be good. Oregon State was good at basket ball. our problem was we had a long period of time where our ADs and presidents really didn't give a s%#t about us being good and were okay with mediocre being reason enough to extend a contract. Yeah... 26 NCAA tourney appearances since 1995. They're not falling off the map. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 13:37:27 GMT -8
So if the MWC signs the GOR’s after the MOU’s the P12 is SOL? IDK? |
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Post by johnnychimpo on Oct 1, 2024 14:07:33 GMT -8
UCONN off the table as an all sports add or a football only add. By the process of eliminating AAC and MWC I’d say the PAC is most definitely on the clock. www.courant.com/2024/10/01/source-uconn-wont-join-pac-12-doesnt-consider-conference-the-right-fit/?share=tcjnnrr2onohtnon1di0Tick, tock… “The wheels of collegiate conference realignment are spinning again, with basketball powerhouse Gonzaga set to join the newly configured Pac-12. Though the possibility of UConn joining the Pac-12 as a football-only complement was explored last week, this will not happen. UConn sources, requesting anonymity, told The Courant the university doesn’t consider this the right fit at this time. So UConn, for the moment, will remain independent in football, in a season in which it has shown significant competitive improvement, and a member of the Big East in basketball and most other sports. UConn’s long-held ambition is to join one of the power conferences. Talks with the Big 12 were paused last month.” |
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Post by sessbeav on Oct 1, 2024 14:13:20 GMT -8
So if the MWC signs the GOR’s after the MOU’s the P12 is SOL? IDK? IYKYK. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 14:29:48 GMT -8
Well, sort of... Under the new Pac-12 terms, the Zags would be allowed to keep 50%. So they're "only" worth $3mil, on average, if they continue winning. If they don't continue winning, it's a problem. The question is, how much are they worth from a media perspective and how much are they worth from increased attendance at other schools? Well, it's been reported that we are paying them a full conference share, even though they don't have football. So, I guess we're estimating they have a lot of value. I think that was a mistake in reporting, because at $3 million, they are far below a full share. I think, more accurately, we're giving them your share of the Pac. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 14:45:13 GMT -8
Well, it's been reported that we are paying them a full conference share, even though they don't have football. So, I guess we're estimating they have a lot of value. I think that was a mistake in reporting, because at $3 million, they are far below a full share. I think, more accurately, we're giving them your share of the Pac. Just what a reporter from Spokane said on the Joe Beaver show said today. I have seen any formal documents. Where are you getting the $3 million number? They got $3.2 million from the WCC last year, so it's got to be more than that. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Oct 1, 2024 14:47:45 GMT -8
Take another shot at the AAC.
If that doesn't work, can we take a MWC team or is that off limits, now?
I really think we need a bay area presence. The HQ is in the bay area. Cannot wait for Cal. I was thinking San Jose State but they are off limits now?
I'm not sure about Sac State. But, whatever works.
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 15:13:12 GMT -8
I think that was a mistake in reporting, because at $3 million, they are far below a full share. I think, more accurately, we're giving them your share of the Pac. Just what a reporter from Spokane said on the Joe Beaver show said today. I have seen any formal documents. Where are you getting the $3 million number? They got $3.2 million from the WCC last year, so it's got to be more than that. Gonzaga is averaging $6 million in NCAA Tourney credits per year. If they get to keep 50%, that only gives the Pac-12 $3 million in revenue. I don't think Gonzaga moves the needle enough on attendance to justify an additional $7-$10 million per year for a full share...unless... Someone was working on a separate media deal for basketball. I was speaking to Gonzaga providing $3 million in revenue, not Gonzaga getting $3 million. A half-share at what the Pac-12 estimates now would be $5-$7 million, probably more like $5 w/o additional teams. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 1, 2024 15:20:21 GMT -8
At this point SJSU might be the best option for the next add to the Pac12. Bay area presence.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 15:28:09 GMT -8
Just what a reporter from Spokane said on the Joe Beaver show said today. I have seen any formal documents. Where are you getting the $3 million number? They got $3.2 million from the WCC last year, so it's got to be more than that. Gonzaga is averaging $6 million in NCAA Tourney credits per year. If they get to keep 50%, that only gives the Pac-12 $3 million in revenue. I don't think Gonzaga moves the needle enough on attendance to justify an additional $7-$10 million per year for a full share...unless... Someone was working on a separate media deal for basketball. I was speaking to Gonzaga providing $3 million in revenue, not Gonzaga getting $3 million. A half-share at what the Pac-12 estimates now would be $5-$7 million, probably more like $5 w/o additional teams. They may add enough to the media deal to justify it, but the reporter said that they were getting a full revenue share (FWIW) |
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