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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 1, 2024 10:59:46 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. Has UNM committed to the MWC? If not they certainly would be a superior option to NMSU. Albuquerque vs Las Cruces. Nuff said. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 1, 2024 11:06:19 GMT -8
Did a little snooping, they are just completing a 220 million dollar renovation on their stadium, and it has a capacity of 58k. Nothing to sneeze at. My only disappointment (beggars cannot be choosers), is I would have liked to add the 8th football member further west. If we down the road were to add up to six Midwest/ Eastern teams and have pods - I get it. But, Tennessee is a long way from being a western or pacific zone state. Some of your phrasing ("My only disappointment is..." and "I would have liked to add the 8th...") make it sound like there's already been some deal to add an 8th football school? That hasn't happened yet, right? And we're unsure who is even still fully on the table (hasn't re-committed to their current conference)? Excellent point Mike. I guess I used that phraseology because many of the posters on here are talking about the 8th football school being in some far flung state from here. One of the selling points all along of the rebuild has been regionality, vs jetting all over the country - and the ramifications of that flying - like climate change  .
But seriously - in terms of time and cost, the realignment that has occurred - other than greed and gobs of money, makes little to no sense at all to me. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 11:07:20 GMT -8
This get of Gonzaga seems like gigantically great news! No telling when Mark Few will retire, which could put a damper on things, but this is a big shot in the arm for the re-built Pac-12's image, even if it doesn't help football. I've never been one to think I know better than the coaches or admins or presidents, given that it is their JOB, and they have, oh, infinitely more data than I do, so it probably comes as no surprise that I'm not stressing TOO much about who we're going to add for football. I know it won't be a big name, as there are none left, but I also know that much thought and effort will go into getting the best we can, from a media and compatibility standpoint. It will be easy to cast stones if it's a "lesser" school, but IMO this rebuild will be a success when we add an 8th football school, no matter who it is. We're not going to convince the rest of the country that it is a noteworthy football conference until/unless our members do something noteworthy (like win a Heisman or win a playoff game), and this will be true no matter who we add for our 8th (or 9th or 10th). The most important things are a) get to 8, so we have a conference, b) attract a good media deal(s), c) stay relevant. There is a lot of hand wringing about Few retiring, but he built a dynasty. Gonzaga is a mega desirable job that will attract elite talent. When he retires somebody will come in and keep it going, and/or just like Few, maybe a current assistant will be groomed to keep it alive. I am not sweating the impending Few retirement in a handful of years. Went you get good, you usually stay good especially when the school wants you to be good. Oregon State was good at basket ball. our problem was we had a long period of time where our ADs and presidents really didn't give a s%#t about us being good and were okay with mediocre being reason enough to extend a contract. |
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Post by seastape on Oct 1, 2024 11:12:40 GMT -8
No to Sac State. Just no. This new conference needs to be all about brand strength. Maybe we aren't P4, but we're not G5 either. We are carving out a new tier in the hierarchy, and seeing how much we can crash the gate of the big boys. And being a stepping stone conference for FCS teams to transition to FBS is not where we want to be. Let them join the MWC or WAC, and go through the FBS transition period there. In 6-8 years, after they've proven a financial commitment and significantly increased their paltry $39 million athletic budget, then we can talk. The question is then, who are you going get for the 8th football school? If you can't convince one or more of the AAC teams to come back, the pickings are slim. You're looking at someone like New Mexico St.......yikes. If no one from the MWC or AAC want to join, I would take NMSU. They fill a spot for football and usually have good basketball. Plus, it might be kind of a FU to the MWC. Put me down as someone against adding UCon. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 1, 2024 11:17:44 GMT -8
This get of Gonzaga seems like gigantically great news! No telling when Mark Few will retire, which could put a damper on things, but this is a big shot in the arm for the re-built Pac-12's image, even if it doesn't help football. I've never been one to think I know better than the coaches or admins or presidents, given that it is their JOB, and they have, oh, infinitely more data than I do, so it probably comes as no surprise that I'm not stressing TOO much about who we're going to add for football. I know it won't be a big name, as there are none left, but I also know that much thought and effort will go into getting the best we can, from a media and compatibility standpoint. It will be easy to cast stones if it's a "lesser" school, but IMO this rebuild will be a success when we add an 8th football school, no matter who it is. We're not going to convince the rest of the country that it is a noteworthy football conference until/unless our members do something noteworthy (like win a Heisman or win a playoff game), and this will be true no matter who we add for our 8th (or 9th or 10th). The most important things are a) get to 8, so we have a conference, b) attract a good media deal(s), c) stay relevant. There is a lot of hand wringing about Few retiring, but he built a dynasty. Gonzaga is a mega desirable job that will attract elite talent. When he retires somebody will come in and keep it going, and/or just like Few, maybe a current assistant will be groomed to keep it alive. I am not sweating the impending Few retirement in a handful of years. Went you get good, you usually stay good especially when the school wants you to be good. Oregon State was good at basket ball. our problem was we had a long period of time where our ADs and presidents really didn't give a s%#t about us being good and were okay with mediocre being reason enough to extend a contract. I'm sure those that remember the OSU glory days can't help but worry about the Zags after Few retires. It's not like the Zags are a traditional basketball blue bloods. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 1, 2024 11:33:44 GMT -8
There is a lot of hand wringing about Few retiring, but he built a dynasty. Gonzaga is a mega desirable job that will attract elite talent. When he retires somebody will come in and keep it going, and/or just like Few, maybe a current assistant will be groomed to keep it alive. I am not sweating the impending Few retirement in a handful of years. Went you get good, you usually stay good especially when the school wants you to be good. Oregon State was good at basket ball. our problem was we had a long period of time where our ADs and presidents really didn't give a s%#t about us being good and were okay with mediocre being reason enough to extend a contract. I'm sure those that remember the OSU glory days can't help but worry about the Zags after Few retires. It's not like the Zags are a traditional basketball blue bloods. Depends on your definition of traditional. If you're a HS senior, they've been in the tourney every year since you were born.. Actually 26 straight years. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Oct 1, 2024 11:43:28 GMT -8
Nevada Reno has an athletic budget of 50 million. Again; WHY are we not courting them? Or, are we? Or, DID we, and were spurned? Hell, I dunno.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 11:55:45 GMT -8
Nevada Reno has an athletic budget of 50 million. Again; WHY are we not courting them? Or, are we? Or, DID we, and were spurned? Hell, I dunno. Hindsight. I think the goal from the onset was UNLV, then AAC, or vice versa. It's easy to say the Pac jumped the gun without securing UNLV, but maybe the plan all along was to shore up the initial 3, then sue the MWC to remove poaching fee and hope the MWC would fold. I don't think anyone foresaw the remaining MWC consolidating, and quite frankly we were lucky to steal Utah State before they finalized the deal. Basically it's too late to poach any other MWC treats, and Nevada was pretty far down the list st the start of this. Probably not so much today if the Pac could steal them. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2024 11:58:37 GMT -8
If the Pac gets rebuffed by AAC wchools, your only choice is down NMSU, in Las Cruces, or Sac State. Sorry I'm taking Sac State. I'd take the Montana schools before NMSU. The Pac is going to make every effort to land one more quality FBS team. But if it gets shut out, what's the benefit of adding a program with zero tradition of success and no inte tion to make the investment to do so. Sac State right now is a better program than NMSU, and they ARE making the investment, in a major TV market. Has UNM committed to the MWC? If not they certainly would be a superior option to NMSU. Albuquerque vs Las Cruces. Nuff said. Yes the MWC has all schools committed to stay. But to your point...exactly |
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Post by ftd on Oct 1, 2024 11:59:19 GMT -8
Nevada Reno has an athletic budget of 50 million. Again; WHY are we not courting them? Or, are we? Or, DID we, and were spurned? Hell, I dunno. Hindsight. I think the goal from the onset was UNLV, then AAC, or vice versa. It's easy to say the Pac jumped the gun without securing UNLV, but maybe the plan all along was to shore up the initial 3, then sue the MWC to remove poaching fee and hope the MWC would fold. I don't think anyone foresaw the remaining MWC consolidating, and quite frankly we were lucky to steal Utah State before they finalized the deal. Basically it's too late to poach any other MWC treats, and Nevada was pretty far down the list st the start of this. Probably not so much today if the Pac could steal them. Your honor, I object to the word 'steal'... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 12:00:29 GMT -8
Nevada Reno has an athletic budget of 50 million. Again; WHY are we not courting them? Or, are we? Or, DID we, and were spurned? Hell, I dunno. Hindsight. I think the goal from the onset was UNLV, then AAC, or vice versa. It's easy to say the Pac jumped the gun without securing UNLV, but maybe the plan all along was to shore up the initial 3, then sue the MWC to remove poaching fee and hope the MWC would fold. I don't think anyone foresaw the remaining MWC consolidating, and quite frankly we were lucky to steal Utah State before they finalized the deal. Basically it's too late to poach any other MWC treats, and Nevada was pretty far down the list st the start of this. Probably not so much today if the Pac could steal them. All of the remaining MWC members signed new GOR’s to remain in the conference. So unless the PAC 12 wins the lawsuit and the MWC doesn’t have the additional $$ to pay UNLV, Air Force, etc, we are not getting another MWC team. |
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2024 12:04:14 GMT -8
Hindsight. I think the goal from the onset was UNLV, then AAC, or vice versa. It's easy to say the Pac jumped the gun without securing UNLV, but maybe the plan all along was to shore up the initial 3, then sue the MWC to remove poaching fee and hope the MWC would fold. I don't think anyone foresaw the remaining MWC consolidating, and quite frankly we were lucky to steal Utah State before they finalized the deal. Basically it's too late to poach any other MWC treats, and Nevada was pretty far down the list st the start of this. Probably not so much today if the Pac could steal them. All of the remaining MWC members signed new GOR’s to remain in the conference. So unless the PAC 12 wins the lawsuit and the MWC doesn’t have the additional $$ to pay UNLV, Air Force, etc, we are not getting another MWC team. They signed MOUs, not GORs... see Bill's analysis of this. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2024 12:05:33 GMT -8
All of the remaining MWC members signed new GOR’s to remain in the conference. So unless the PAC 12 wins the lawsuit and the MWC doesn’t have the additional $$ to pay UNLV, Air Force, etc, we are not getting another MWC team. They signed MOUs, not GORs... see Bill's analysis of this. Ok, that makes more sense. The MWC needs to have the money before they have them sign GOR’s |
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Oct 1, 2024 12:07:22 GMT -8
"Hey Oram, can you write another article"
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2024 12:16:25 GMT -8
I'm sure those that remember the OSU glory days can't help but worry about the Zags after Few retires. It's not like the Zags are a traditional basketball blue bloods. Depends on your definition of traditional. If you're a HS senior, they've been in the tourney every year since you were born.. Actually 26 straight years. Yeah, how long does it take to make a tradition? an entire generation would seem to count. Obviously they have made the NCAA every season since 1999 except for COVID year when it wasn't held and are 716-143 overall in that time. 8 30+ win seasons, 22 25+ win seasons. 23 wins is his worse season. But the rebuild started before Few, even though he was on staff. Dan Fitzgerald got it going in the early 1990s, by 1993 he had turned the corner, started getting 20+ win seasons and NIT and NCAA tournament appearances. Dan Monson kept it up for two seasons with and NIT and NCAA elite 8 showing (and 28 game season in his own right) before Few took over. Few is great, but he alone didn't turn Gonzaga around. He has just provided it fairly unparalleled consistency. FYI. I did actually average their NCAA performance. on the long haul in term of "units" Gonzaga will average 3 units (or basically a sweet 16) the Zags are currently worth $6M a year in NCAA tourney credits alone. |
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