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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 13:08:13 GMT -8
Not an attorney, but "conversely" works there as well and isn't as cliche. It is not overused in legal pleadings, so I fail to understand how it would be cliche? I think it displays a lack of original thought. And why use four words when one suffices? Just my opinion. Luckily it won't be a determining factor in the court's decision. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Sept 24, 2024 13:13:31 GMT -8
What was your alternative? Join the Big 12? We sue. We sue ESPN, the Big10, the Big12, UO, UW, Texas, USC, Fox, pretty much anyone we can find. And if we lose in an individual case we sue again. We utilize the entire pot of gold to fund lawyers to litigate our way in. Billable hours has yet to be beat! but if you're saying earlier that you realize we can't wait around forever, how does suing all of college football help exactly? You'd rather go this route than add Utah State? |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 13:14:03 GMT -8
I said that, because while adding the top 4 MW schools was our best option, it definitely was not what we were all hoping for. Now as we double down in that direction this all starts to reek of desperation. Where have you been? It has been desperate for more than a year. You are faulting us for fashioning a life raft out of debris rather than waiting for a stray yacht to pass us by and save us? Sometimes, you have to get real and make do with what you have. We will reevaluate in five years. I'm not trying fault anyone, and your analogy is pretty hyperbolic compared to what I'm suggesting. That said, reality is reality, and it certainly isn't waiting on OSU. Doesn't mean we have to like it. I really wanted it to work out with Memphis and Tulane, as it would have put us in the best position to have a path to the CFB playoff, and the clear #5 conference. Maybe that still works out, who knows. Scrambling to add more MW teams the same day we are turned down by them just feels like a big let down. I hope we aren't spending any Pac money on this because it would suck to low ball those 2 and then turn around and spend real money on MW programs that don't fill a 20K seat stadium. Agree about reevaluating soon. I suppose all we really control is our own fate. Keep building on what we have, and hope our number gets called next time, sure. Just need to make the best moves we can now so we're in the best position we can be going forward. Personally, a reverse merger with 8/10ths of the MW wasn't what I was hoping for. Reality? Maybe. But we were just on the cusp of something better, I think, and whiffed. This time is too important for near misses. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 13:17:39 GMT -8
It is not overused in legal pleadings, so I fail to understand how it would be cliche? I think it displays a lack of original thought. And why use four words when one suffices? Just my opinion. Luckily it won't be a determining factor in the court's decision. There are times when brevity is great in legal pleadings. Motions, Responses, and Replies are good examples. However, you are usually punished and not rewarded for conciseness in Complaints. Complaints usually can be submitted to a judge or jury at trial, so it is important that they are accurate and easy to read and relatively entertaining, if possible. I pointed out that I would personally break up that one mammoth paragraph into at least four paragraphs (and probably five), because it would make it easier to read and probably would be more helpful in anticipating how the allegation will be answered. I despise reading big block paragraphs in a Complaint myself, so I might be projecting........... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 13:20:37 GMT -8
I think it displays a lack of original thought. And why use four words when one suffices? Just my opinion. Luckily it won't be a determining factor in the court's decision. There are times when brevity is great in legal pleadings. Motions, Responses, and Replies are good examples. However, you are usually punished and not rewarded for conciseness in Complaints. Complaints usually can be submitted to a judge or jury at trial, so it is important that they are accurate and easy to read and relatively entertaining, if possible. I pointed out that I would personally break up that one mammoth paragraph into at least four paragraphs (and probably five), because it would make it easier to read and probably would be more helpful in anticipating how the allegation will be answered. I despise reading big block paragraphs in a Complaint myself, so I might be projecting........... Have you read some of your posts?  |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 13:26:27 GMT -8
We are not taking 80% of the MWC, I have no idea how you came up with that percentage. Looks like when UNLV signs on, it will be 6 of 12, or 50%.
The best teams in the conference. The only current teams to ever win a conference football championship. Six teams with outstanding (SDSU) or good basketball pedigree. An entire conference within a 3-hour plane ride, instead of lengthy cross-country jaunts to Tennessee, Louisiana and Florida. Schools with a similar academic profile, either R1 or R2 universities.
And that's without Gonzaga.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 24, 2024 13:27:37 GMT -8
I think it displays a lack of original thought. And why use four words when one suffices? Just my opinion. Luckily it won't be a determining factor in the court's decision. There are times when brevity is great in legal pleadings. Motions, Responses, and Replies are good examples. However, you are usually punished and not rewarded for conciseness in Complaints. Complaints usually can be submitted to a judge or jury at trial, so it is important that they are accurate and easy to read and relatively entertaining, if possible. I pointed out that I would personally break up that one mammoth paragraph into at least four paragraphs (and probably five), because it would make it easier to read and probably would be more helpful in anticipating how the allegation will be answered.
I despise reading big block paragraphs in a Complaint myself, so I might be projecting........... Totally agree with you there. As I often say, "paragraphs are your friend." |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 14:28:11 GMT -8
We are not taking 80% of the MWC, I have no idea how you came up with that percentage. Looks like when UNLV signs on, it will be 6 of 12, or 50%. The best teams in the conference. The only current teams to ever win a conference football championship. Six teams with outstanding (SDSU) or good basketball pedigree. An entire conference within a 3-hour plane ride, instead of lengthy cross-country jaunts to Tennessee, Louisiana and Florida. Schools with a similar academic profile, either R1 or R2 universities. And that's without Gonzaga. It better end with UNLV, but who's to say it will? I just don't like boxing ourselves in with all MW teams, while also closing off options that might be there when the ACC shakes out. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 24, 2024 14:32:12 GMT -8
We are not taking 80% of the MWC, I have no idea how you came up with that percentage. Looks like when UNLV signs on, it will be 6 of 12, or 50%. The best teams in the conference. The only current teams to ever win a conference football championship. Six teams with outstanding (SDSU) or good basketball pedigree. An entire conference within a 3-hour plane ride, instead of lengthy cross-country jaunts to Tennessee, Louisiana and Florida. Schools with a similar academic profile, either R1 or R2 universities. And that's without Gonzaga. It better end with UNLV, but who's to say it will? I just don't like boxing ourselves in with all MW teams, while also closing off options that might be there when the ACC shakes out.Who do you think would actually come here if the ACC falls apart? Cal, maybe.....that's it. Stanford is not coming back. They still are holding on to their academic superiority complex. They would go independent before joining us. SMU would probably be coveted by the Big 12. So, it's not like we'd have a plethora of teams knocking on our door if the ACC collapsed. And, it's likely to take too long to collapse for us to wait at the chance to pick up a team or two. |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 24, 2024 14:39:40 GMT -8
We sue. We sue ESPN, the Big10, the Big12, UO, UW, Texas, USC, Fox, pretty much anyone we can find. And if we lose in an individual case we sue again. We utilize the entire pot of gold to fund lawyers to litigate our way in. Billable hours has yet to be beat! but if you're saying earlier that you realize we can't wait around forever, how does suing all of college football help exactly? You'd rather go this route than add Utah State? I realize in this day and age of college football that anything is, in fact, possible. But in this particular case, I was joking. (If Texas didn't give it away...) |
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Post by 93beav on Sept 24, 2024 14:43:49 GMT -8
It better end with UNLV, but who's to say it will? I just don't like boxing ourselves in with all MW teams, while also closing off options that might be there when the ACC shakes out.Who do you think would actually come here if the ACC falls apart? Cal, maybe.....that's it. Stanford is not coming back. They still are holding on to their academic superiority complex. They would go independent before joining us. SMU would probably be coveted by the Big 12. So, it's not like we'd have a plethora of teams knocking on our door if the ACC collapsed. And, it's likely to take too long to collapse for us to wait at the chance to pick up a team or two. See, this is where I have a philosophical difference with most of the CFB crowd. At some point if - and this is a big if - the reconstituted Pac-12 were to start regularly getting ranked teams and beating opponents in the ACC / Big-12, is it not at least possible that we could lure a team out of the Big-12 if we were able to give them enough revenue to make it worthwhile? This is kind of like the eternal "power conference" debate and all the homers who claim the Pac-12 will never be a power conference. Why? Because of the money? Because of the # of fans? Because of the # of wins? I mean, at some point when there's an opening for movement w/ the ACC & Big12 it is POSSIBLE we could tap into some of those schools and bring them in and up the media valuation. And if the B1G/SEC ever break away, somebody has to be the leader in that secondary category of also-rans. I just don't think it's always an automatic that someone would always want to go to the Big-12. For now, sure (if they get a full share). In the future, mehhh....dunno. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 24, 2024 14:44:35 GMT -8
It better end with UNLV, but who's to say it will? I just don't like boxing ourselves in with all MW teams, while also closing off options that might be there when the ACC shakes out.Who do you think would actually come here if the ACC falls apart? Cal, maybe.....that's it. Stanford is not coming back. They still are holding on to their academic superiority complex. They would go independent before joining us. SMU would probably be coveted by the Big 12. So, it's not like we'd have a plethora of teams knocking on our door if the ACC collapsed. And, it's likely to take too long to collapse for us to wait at the chance to pick up a team or two. Cal would probably not come back even if the ACC implodes. Schools like Wake, BC, VaTech, GaTech, BC aren't going to the Big10 or SEC, and Cal would prefer them to Fresno and Boise. They would probably buy their way into the Big12 if that doesn't work. Rejoining the Pac 12 would be just such a distant possibility as to be improbable. Cal, Stanford are not coming back. Let it go folks. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 24, 2024 14:46:23 GMT -8
"on the flip side of the coin" For you lawyers out there, is this a good turn of phrase? Maybe he’s getting paid by word. More billable words in that awkward phrase than in something more succinct. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 14:47:16 GMT -8
SLC is not very Mormon. Park City is not very Mormon. The areas around the 11 reservations is also not very Mormon. Mormonism would be an argument to keep BYU out of the Pac-12, not Utah State. (And it would not be a compelling argument.) If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm perfectly fine changing my mind about the Mormon influence in Utah. I haven't had great experiences there, but maybe I was just in the wrong places. I mean, all the street names are in reference to the church, etc, etc, but I'll try to keep an open mind on that one. What I can't wrap my head around is how Utah even supports 3 D1 programs, let alone what good it does the Pac to add the least popular one from a state smaller than Oregon, who struggles to fill their small stadium, and seemingly has a lot of baggage to bring with it right now. It really wouldn't be much different if it was one of the other MW also rans. Maybe I'll feel differently after a while, but this is all pretty disappointing right now. Especially, since we are basically fulfilling all the pipe dreams of our detractors by going this direction. The optics of this are terrible, and we will not hold onto any prestige whatsoever if we can't build something that doesn't simply equal a reimagined MW. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 24, 2024 14:54:55 GMT -8
It better end with UNLV, but who's to say it will? I just don't like boxing ourselves in with all MW teams, while also closing off options that might be there when the ACC shakes out.Who do you think would actually come here if the ACC falls apart? Cal, maybe.....that's it. Stanford is not coming back. They still are holding on to their academic superiority complex. They would go independent before joining us. SMU would probably be coveted by the Big 12. So, it's not like we'd have a plethora of teams knocking on our door if the ACC collapsed. And, it's likely to take too long to collapse for us to wait at the chance to pick up a team or two. I wouldn't want Stanford back if they were paying their way back in. Same with USC. Both just a problem child start to finish. I would hope for Cal and SMU, and potentially 2 divisions with the ACC leftovers and some AAC teams in there. Biggest thing right now is that we keep it small, and keep our options open. Add UNLV, and Gonzaga for hoops and call it a day. |
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