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Post by rgeorge on Sept 25, 2024 9:37:01 GMT -8
To elaborate in terms of the above CFP quote... meaning, OSU & WSU can't be one of the 5 highest rated conference champions. Period. The only road to the CFP (pipe dream for either OSU & WSU) us to be one of the (7) at large bids. And, in reality there is probably truly only (1). The SEC will get (2-3), B10 (1-2), ACC (1), B12 (maybe 1) "extra" bid. Guessing (1) non P4 team, (2) at most. SEC will get more than 2-3.......guaranteed. Missed the "extra"... as it stands I think they'll get (4).
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Post by ag87 on Sept 25, 2024 10:09:55 GMT -8
Yes, we can use funds from the PAC 12, but we are treated as an “independent” as far as the CFP for the next 2 years. The poster was correct in that regard. There will be no PAC 12 Champion for the next 2 years. To elaborate in terms of the above CFP quote... meaning, OSU & WSU can't be one of the 5 highest rated conference champions. Period. The only road to the CFP (pipe dream for either OSU & WSU) us to be one of the (7) at large bids. And, in reality there is probably truly only (1). The SEC will get (2-3), B10 (1-2), ACC (1), B12 (maybe 1) "extra" bid. Guessing (1) non P4 team, (2) at most. I'm afraid SEC will get five extras and the other two will go to maybe the B10 and somewhere else.
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Post by ag87 on Sept 25, 2024 10:41:07 GMT -8
To elaborate in terms of the above CFP quote... meaning, OSU & WSU can't be one of the 5 highest rated conference champions. Period. The only road to the CFP (pipe dream for either OSU & WSU) us to be one of the (7) at large bids. And, in reality there is probably truly only (1). The SEC will get (2-3), B10 (1-2), ACC (1), B12 (maybe 1) "extra" bid. Guessing (1) non P4 team, (2) at most. I'm afraid SEC will get five extras and the other two will go to maybe the B10 and somewhere else. Finishing my thought - college football in the eastern and central time zones is becoming as important to me as NASCAR. . . . . is Richard Petty still racing against Bobby Allison?
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Post by seastape on Sept 25, 2024 19:42:55 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question posed in this thread: Did the commish botch the expansion?
If I understand it correctly, the poaching fee for the Pac 12 in the original scheduling agreement covering the '24 season was $10 million for each school poached from the MWC plus an escalator clause of $500,000 per school after the first. Plus there are exit fees governing the MWC itself, right around $17 -- 18 million per school.
So, by my calculations, the Pac 12 owes the MWC:
$10,000,000 + 10,500,000 + 11,000,000 + 11,500,000 + 12,000,000 = $55,000,000 in poaching fees and
5 x $17 -- 18 million = $85 -- $90 million in exit fees if the Pac 12 is to pay the exit fee for each school.
A total of $145 million potentially owed to the MWC and the Pac still doesn't have the 8 teams required to be a conference. If the Pac doesn't win it's suit, and I'm not at all convinced it will, that's $145 million that the MWC has to entice it's seven remaining members to stay.
It's not looking good right now. And every day that an 8th member does not appear makes it seem a little worse.
That sounds like a botch to me.
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Post by p8nted on Sept 25, 2024 20:27:10 GMT -8
When we have 5 G5 schools turn us down for membership, I would say we screwed up and did not do our homework before public news went out.
I hear SAC state is interested
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Post by p8nted on Sept 25, 2024 20:28:34 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question posed in this thread: Did the commish botch the expansion? If I understand it correctly, the poaching fee for the Pac 12 in the original scheduling agreement covering the '24 season was $10 million for each school poached from the MWC plus an escalator clause of $500,000 per school after the first. Plus there are exit fees governing the MWC itself, right around $17 -- 18 million per school. So, by my calculations, the Pac 12 owes the MWC: $10,000,000 + 10,500,000 + 11,000,000 + 11,500,000 + 12,000,000 = $55,000,000 in poaching fees and 5 x $17 -- 18 million = $85 -- $90 million in exit fees if the Pac 12 is to pay the exit fee for each school. A total of $145 million potentially owed to the MWC and the Pac still doesn't have the 8 teams required to be a conference. If the Pac doesn't win it's suit, and I'm not at all convinced it will, that's $145 million that the MWC has to entice it's seven remaining members to stay. It's not looking good right now. And every day that an 8th member does not appear makes it seem a little worse. That sounds like a botch to me. It will be reduced, but we still owe them a chunk of change in the millions as do the departing schools
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Post by seastape on Sept 25, 2024 20:38:06 GMT -8
Getting back to the original question posed in this thread: Did the commish botch the expansion? If I understand it correctly, the poaching fee for the Pac 12 in the original scheduling agreement covering the '24 season was $10 million for each school poached from the MWC plus an escalator clause of $500,000 per school after the first. Plus there are exit fees governing the MWC itself, right around $17 -- 18 million per school. So, by my calculations, the Pac 12 owes the MWC: $10,000,000 + 10,500,000 + 11,000,000 + 11,500,000 + 12,000,000 = $55,000,000 in poaching fees and 5 x $17 -- 18 million = $85 -- $90 million in exit fees if the Pac 12 is to pay the exit fee for each school. A total of $145 million potentially owed to the MWC and the Pac still doesn't have the 8 teams required to be a conference. If the Pac doesn't win it's suit, and I'm not at all convinced it will, that's $145 million that the MWC has to entice it's seven remaining members to stay. It's not looking good right now. And every day that an 8th member does not appear makes it seem a little worse. That sounds like a botch to me. It will be reduced, but we still owe them a chunk of change in the millions as do the departing schools Will it? What incentive does the MWC have to agree to one penny less than the amount owed under the terms of the contract?
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 25, 2024 21:43:11 GMT -8
It will be reduced, but we still owe them a chunk of change in the millions as do the departing schools Will it? What incentive does the MWC have to agree to one penny less than the amount owed under the terms of the contract? We have filed suit to eliminate that $55 mil poaching fee, and there's a decent chance we'll win. We don't know how much of the exit fees will be paid by the Pac-12, and how much by each departing schools. This could also potentially be paid over time, and not all at once. We don't know the details of the exit fee breakdowns.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 25, 2024 21:47:56 GMT -8
It will be reduced, but we still owe them a chunk of change in the millions as do the departing schools Will it? What incentive does the MWC have to agree to one penny less than the amount owed under the terms of the contract? That depends on the success of the latest lawsuit. If OSU wins it goes to zero. If it doesn't get thrown out, odds are it'll get negotiated.
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Post by seastape on Sept 26, 2024 5:20:12 GMT -8
I know we're all hoping that the Pac wins its poaching lawsuit, but I'm not sold that it is likely to happen. And if it doesn't, we really screwed ourselves out of a lot of money.
The Pac 2 probably should have realized long ago that an invite to a P4 was not happening and should have just done the reverse merger with the WMC. That way, the biggest chunk of the Pac 12 assets could have been kept by OSU and WSU with some going as an enticement to the MWC members to join our conference. No hard feelings anywhere.
Now, it looks like 10s, if not 100s of millions of Pac dollars is going to the weakest part of the MWC so they can rebuild their conference. It doesn't look good at this point.
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Post by 93beav on Sept 26, 2024 8:22:51 GMT -8
I know we're all hoping that the Pac wins its poaching lawsuit, but I'm not sold that it is likely to happen. And if it doesn't, we really screwed ourselves out of a lot of money. The Pac 2 probably should have realized long ago that an invite to a P4 was not happening and should have just done the reverse merger with the WMC. That way, the biggest chunk of the Pac 12 assets could have been kept by OSU and WSU with some going as an enticement to the MWC members to join our conference. No hard feelings anywhere. Now, it looks like 10s, if not 100s of millions of Pac dollars is going to the weakest part of the MWC so they can rebuild their conference. It doesn't look good at this point. It's really hard for me to believe, having just gone through the previous Pac-12 fiasco, that the combined OSU/WSU administrations, the media consultants Navigate, the lawyer we are perpetually engaging and the new administrations of the old MWC membership didn't already plan for this scenario and have alternative options OR that they can't come up with a logical next step. Logically speaking, I'd think most people would expect the MWC to use that money against us. But who knows, maybe they figured UNLV would still break or that AFA would be picked up by the AAC. We just need to get to 8 for now and then we can handle everything else later.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 26, 2024 9:37:09 GMT -8
When we have 5 G5 schools turn us down for membership, I would say we screwed up and did not do our homework before public news went out. I hear SAC state is interested We are a G5 conference. It's not like we're the Big Ten and these schools aren't coming. The AAC schools wanted the Pac to pay the bulk of their departure penalty. Screw that. If you're gonna join us, you're gonna have to prove you want to be here and that means skin in the game. The Pac-2 is not going to pay the entire exit fee for the MWC schools. It may pay some (supposedly the offer to the AAC was $2.5 mil) but not anywhere near the whole $17 million. Nor will the Pac pay anywhere near $10 million in poaching penalties for each team. The $145 million fee bandied about here by some is ridiculous, IMHO. Maybe we'll pay about $30-40 million tops. Which is still less than the $65 million we received from the departing 10 and had specifically set aside for rebuilding the league. "Every day that an 8th member does not appear makes it seem a little worse." We existed as a 2-team conference for almost a year. A few extra days, or even a week, with seven teams is no big deal. I do believe if we can wrap up Gonzaga the 8th team becomes much easier to land. Again, I'm optimistic. I realize that's an unusual mindset for a Beaver fan.
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Post by grayman on Sept 26, 2024 9:43:25 GMT -8
This is now the Pac-12 media valuation according to Jim Williams
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Post by seastape on Sept 26, 2024 11:29:56 GMT -8
This is now the Pac-12 media valuation according to Jim Williams Not buying that the Pac 12 w/OSU, WSU, Fresno, Boise, CSU, USU, SDSU, and virtually anyone else we can pick up is worth no more than a conference with AFA, UNLV, UNM, UWyo, UNR, SJSU, UHI, and whoever else they can get.
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Post by p8nted on Sept 26, 2024 11:34:09 GMT -8
I know we're all hoping that the Pac wins its poaching lawsuit, but I'm not sold that it is likely to happen. And if it doesn't, we really screwed ourselves out of a lot of money. The Pac 2 probably should have realized long ago that an invite to a P4 was not happening and should have just done the reverse merger with the WMC. That way, the biggest chunk of the Pac 12 assets could have been kept by OSU and WSU with some going as an enticement to the MWC members to join our conference. No hard feelings anywhere. Now, it looks like 10s, if not 100s of millions of Pac dollars is going to the weakest part of the MWC so they can rebuild their conference. It doesn't look good at this point. We are rearranging the chairs on the titanic. P4 will continue to poach talent and reduce playoff options and $$. Huge waste of money to get to a spot not much better than a merger would have been. Ego and panic set in.
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