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Post by speakthetruth on Sept 24, 2024 10:56:53 GMT -8
We haven't done anything to the mwc. We simply asked teams to join us and five so far have said yes. We didn't make them. Each could have said No.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2024 11:01:12 GMT -8
The fact that the AAC thing fell through means our numbers didn't add up. That's disappointing. Actually it's the opposite, the Pac12 approached with a very lowball offer. They were obviously not as coveted, and their exit fees too high to make it worth the while. Also, behind closed doors was it truly a sincere effort or a bargaining ploy with other MWC teams being left out? I'm super happy it did not pan out and those teams will not get a media deal better than what the Pac12 will end up with. It's not just the $, but the time frame and negotiated terms of the agreement and extension/renegotiations. The Pac12 will be the 5th best conference and IMHO will begin to rival the ACC. For all we know at the moment, the plan coud be to get to 8/10 to secure a TV deal, and potentially work out a deal where the payout increases IF the conference expands eastward. That's a lot of "what ifs", but if we can secure a base deal that satisfies everyone currently committed, further expansion might be possible later IF there's not a race by the other conferences to increase their exit fees. As you said, the Pac should be the 5th strongest conference once things are official. At that point, there may be more intetest from potential targets, or the conferece management can at least take a well deserved breather - a lot's been going on lately. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 24, 2024 11:13:11 GMT -8
Actually it's the opposite, the Pac12 approached with a very lowball offer. They were obviously not as coveted, and their exit fees too high to make it worth the while. Also, behind closed doors was it truly a sincere effort or a bargaining ploy with other MWC teams being left out? I'm super happy it did not pan out and those teams will not get a media deal better than what the Pac12 will end up with. It's not just the $, but the time frame and negotiated terms of the agreement and extension/renegotiations. The Pac12 will be the 5th best conference and IMHO will begin to rival the ACC. For all we know at the moment, the plan coud be to get to 8/10 to secure a TV deal, and potentially work out a deal where the payout increases IF the conference expands eastward. That's a lot of "what ifs", but if we can secure a base deal that satisfies everyone currently committed, further expansion might be possible later IF there's not a race by the other conferences to increase their exit fees. As you said, the Pac should be the 5th strongest conference once things are official. At that point, there may be more intetest from potential targets, or the conferece management can at least take a well deserved breather - a lot's been going on lately. Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 24, 2024 11:26:07 GMT -8
We haven't done anything to the mwc. We simply asked teams to join us and five so far have said yes. We didn't make them. Each could have said No. Yeah, we’re such bad guys for offering them more money and exposure. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 24, 2024 11:26:33 GMT -8
For all we know at the moment, the plan coud be to get to 8/10 to secure a TV deal, and potentially work out a deal where the payout increases IF the conference expands eastward. That's a lot of "what ifs", but if we can secure a base deal that satisfies everyone currently committed, further expansion might be possible later IF there's not a race by the other conferences to increase their exit fees. As you said, the Pac should be the 5th strongest conference once things are official. At that point, there may be more intetest from potential targets, or the conferece management can at least take a well deserved breather - a lot's been going on lately. Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road.Still not a fan - now or later. The only way this works IMO is if we were building a super conference, with an east pod and a west pod. Otherwise - no thanks. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 24, 2024 11:57:53 GMT -8
Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road.Still not a fan - now or later. The only way this works IMO is if we were building a super conference, with an east pod and a west pod. Otherwise - no thanks. Yeah, I'm thinking more along the lines of Cal and maybe Stanford and maybe SMU. Agree that adding any of the ACC teams on the East Coast would require the formation of divisions or pods. TBH, it wouldn't be anything wilder than what we have right now in three of the P4 conferences and it would mean that the Pac-12 would be expanding to maybe 18 or so teams, which really doesn't fit the superconference label. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 24, 2024 12:06:28 GMT -8
For all we know at the moment, the plan coud be to get to 8/10 to secure a TV deal, and potentially work out a deal where the payout increases IF the conference expands eastward. That's a lot of "what ifs", but if we can secure a base deal that satisfies everyone currently committed, further expansion might be possible later IF there's not a race by the other conferences to increase their exit fees. As you said, the Pac should be the 5th strongest conference once things are official. At that point, there may be more intetest from potential targets, or the conferece management can at least take a well deserved breather - a lot's been going on lately. Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road. I'd consider it way down the road, 2036 is almost locked in unless the ACC renegotiates an early out for it's members. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 24, 2024 12:15:37 GMT -8
Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road. I'd consider it way down the road, 2036 is almost locked in unless the ACC renegotiates an early out for it's members. Yeah, I'm not convinced of the whole 2036 thing yet. They haven't come to any agreement as far as the revenue redistribution deal that was brought to the table about a week ago. So we'll see. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2024 12:23:03 GMT -8
I'd consider it way down the road, 2036 is almost locked in unless the ACC renegotiates an early out for it's members. Yeah, I'm not convinced of the whole 2036 thing yet. They haven't come to any agreement as far as the revenue redistribution deal that was brought to the table about a week ago. So we'll see. I posted in the other thread, but I will post it here, as well. I think that it looked like the ACC, Clemson, and Florida State were close two weeks ago. But, within the last 4-5 days, I have heard rumblings that there are a lot more issues to work through then originally anticipated. And Clemson and Florida State seem more inclined to fight this whole thing out rather than settle. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 24, 2024 12:36:46 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm not convinced of the whole 2036 thing yet. They haven't come to any agreement as far as the revenue redistribution deal that was brought to the table about a week ago. So we'll see. I posted in the other thread, but I will post it here, as well. I think that it looked like the ACC, Clemson, and Florida State were close two weeks ago. But, within the last 4-5 days, I have heard rumblings that there are a lot more issues to work through then originally anticipated. And Clemson and Florida State seem more inclined to fight this whole thing out rather than settle. Yeah, I heard something similar to this recently as well. |
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Post by jimbeav on Sept 24, 2024 14:28:13 GMT -8
For all we know at the moment, the plan coud be to get to 8/10 to secure a TV deal, and potentially work out a deal where the payout increases IF the conference expands eastward. That's a lot of "what ifs", but if we can secure a base deal that satisfies everyone currently committed, further expansion might be possible later IF there's not a race by the other conferences to increase their exit fees. As you said, the Pac should be the 5th strongest conference once things are official. At that point, there may be more intetest from potential targets, or the conferece management can at least take a well deserved breather - a lot's been going on lately. Yes, I was just going to post something related to this. IMO, the TV deal should include language that enables increases for adding teams. For example, any schools that are currently in the P4 that are added in the future allow for a bump up in TV revenue. Also, maybe a list (probably a short one) of G5 schools that would call for a bump up (Memphis, USF, etc.). The Pac-12 is just trying to hit 8 teams right now to get that out of the way. I think there's still a belief that there will be a shot at adding ACC teams down the road. I think this is what we should have done once we got to 6. Shop this around, get some solid numbers assuming this foundation, preferably with some number if we nab 2-4 more within a certain media market range. I think that should have been the next step, instead of immediately trying to bring more in that will want more than hypotheticals. The top 4 were going to jump no matter what, but after that we need to be better salesmen than we have been so far.... |
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 25, 2024 2:48:25 GMT -8
That's just not true or one of us or WSU would be in the playoff this year. Well, that's just not true. The Pac12, this year , is not an official league and won't be for 2 years, as we are considered independent until we aquire a minimum of 8 teams, set for 2026. At that time, we would become an FBS league and the champion, if one of the 5 highest ranked champions, would be included in the CFP tournament. That's not how it works. The top 5 ranked conference champions get an automatic bid. There's nothing that says the power 4/5 get an auto bid. Also, we are NOT independent. You are just making s%#t up. We are in the Pac-12. If we weren't we wouldn't be able to use any of the conference's funds. "The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams." |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 25, 2024 4:44:10 GMT -8
Well, that's just not true. The Pac12, this year , is not an official league and won't be for 2 years, as we are considered independent until we aquire a minimum of 8 teams, set for 2026. At that time, we would become an FBS league and the champion, if one of the 5 highest ranked champions, would be included in the CFP tournament. That's not how it works. The top 5 ranked conference champions get an automatic bid. There's nothing that says the power 4/5 get an auto bid. Also, we are NOT independent. You are just making s%#t up. We are in the Pac-12. If we weren't we wouldn't be able to use any of the conference's funds. "The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams." Yes, we can use funds from the PAC 12, but we are treated as an “independent” as far as the CFP for the next 2 years. The poster was correct in that regard. There will be no PAC 12 Champion for the next 2 years. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 25, 2024 9:30:19 GMT -8
That's not how it works. The top 5 ranked conference champions get an automatic bid. There's nothing that says the power 4/5 get an auto bid. Also, we are NOT independent. You are just making s%#t up. We are in the Pac-12. If we weren't we wouldn't be able to use any of the conference's funds. "The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked teams." Yes, we can use funds from the PAC 12, but we are treated as an “independent” as far as the CFP for the next 2 years. The poster was correct in that regard. There will be no PAC 12 Champion for the next 2 years. To elaborate in terms of the above CFP quote... meaning, OSU & WSU can't be one of the 5 highest rated conference champions. Period. The only road to the CFP (pipe dream for either OSU & WSU) us to be one of the (7) at large bids. And, in reality there is probably truly only (1). The SEC will get (2-3), B10 (1-2), ACC (1), B12 (maybe 1) "extra" bid. Guessing (1) non P4 team, (2) at most. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 25, 2024 9:31:20 GMT -8
Yes, we can use funds from the PAC 12, but we are treated as an “independent” as far as the CFP for the next 2 years. The poster was correct in that regard. There will be no PAC 12 Champion for the next 2 years. To elaborate in terms of the above CFP quote... meaning, OSU & WSU can't be one of the 5 highest rated conference champions. Period. The only road to the CFP (pipe dream for either OSU & WSU) us to be one of the (7) at large bids. And, in reality there is probably truly only (1). The SEC will get (2-3), B10 (1-2), ACC (1), B12 (maybe 1) "extra" bid. Guessing (1) non P4 team, (2) at most. SEC will get more than 2-3.......guaranteed. |
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