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Post by 93beav on Jul 31, 2024 21:23:22 GMT -8
From various tweets and other information, most of which are the dart at the dartboard type where they hit every so often.
I only post this summary because it's a little slow in college sport land.
- Apparently the Big12 has taken a sudden interest in adding the Pac-2 and has even taken a straw poll amongst its members.
- WVU, Cincy, OCF, OSU (Oklahoma State) and Kansas vote no. The others vote yes. I don't know if that includes the ex-PAC-12 members.
- One possible reason is that if the Big12 takes PAC-2, that leaves less options for the ACC which is going to implode, allowing the Big12 to snag some existing ACC properties, like Marvin Gardens. This also allows ESPN to not renew the ACC (which, with enough new members could sustain itself). And it would be cheaper to do so if the PAC-2 brought along some cash (although I'm not sure how that would work since they can't announce anything until next August).
- Another rumor is that ESPN is "encouraging" the Big12. Why would they do this? Again, pure speculation is that there is some sort of lawsuit brewing between PAC-2 and ESPN...or maybe ACC + PAC-2 and ESPN. Add on to this the belief that Utah somehow provided WSU some sort of information helpful in this regard. Also, WSU's president (or was it AD?) stating a few weeks ago that things were going on behind the scenes. Also, as a side note, there was a rumor a month or so ago about Utah to the B1G being announced this year. Who knows.
Again, all complete speculation, with not a lot of additional sources backing this up. But it was a complete enough set of rumors with logical pieces linking them together and...it's slow.
Part 973 will be an audiobook as read by Mike Riley.
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Post by bill82 on Aug 1, 2024 4:40:00 GMT -8
My two cents from a post on X I made three months ago: The three elements of the Big 12's new conference membership agreement that suggest the potential for litigation between the Pac 12 and ESPN are: 1) Waiver of application fees for new members from the Pac 12 (unprecedented in other agreements). 2) Transition incentive payment to Colorado to be the first Pac 12 member to join. 3) Inability of two new members (Utah and ASU) to make a legal representation that they contacted the Big 12 first (something the Big 12 requested and received from Cincinnati and Colorado). Oregon State AD Scott Barnes recently suggested he was ready to start throwing counterpunches. Could litigation against ESPN be the first one? You can see the different language in the Big 12 agreements on one of my substack posts. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 1, 2024 8:51:28 GMT -8
From various tweets and other information, most of which are the dart at the dartboard type where they hit every so often. I only post this summary because it's a little slow in college sport land. - Apparently the Big12 has taken a sudden interest in adding the Pac-2 and has even taken a straw poll amongst its members. - WVU, Cincy, OCF, OSU (Oklahoma State) and Kansas vote no. The others vote yes. I don't know if that includes the ex-PAC-12 members. - One possible reason is that if the Big12 takes PAC-2, that leaves less options for the ACC which is going to implode, allowing the Big12 to snag some existing ACC properties, like Marvin Gardens. This also allows ESPN to not renew the ACC (which, with enough new members could sustain itself). And it would be cheaper to do so if the PAC-2 brought along some cash (although I'm not sure how that would work since they can't announce anything until next August). - Another rumor is that ESPN is "encouraging" the Big12. Why would they do this? Again, pure speculation is that there is some sort of lawsuit brewing between PAC-2 and ESPN...or maybe ACC + PAC-2 and ESPN. Add on to this the belief that Utah somehow provided WSU some sort of information helpful in this regard. Also, WSU's president (or was it AD?) stating a few weeks ago that things were going on behind the scenes. Also, as a side note, there was a rumor a month or so ago about Utah to the B1G being announced this year. Who knows. Again, all complete speculation, with not a lot of additional sources backing this up. But it was a complete enough set of rumors with logical pieces linking them together and...it's slow.
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Post by ftd on Aug 1, 2024 9:39:26 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Aug 1, 2024 9:42:08 GMT -8
This one came out of the blue.
What I will say is that this is a step beyond the typical speculation that we have been seeing, i.e. claiming that some sort of actual movement has taken place (the straw vote).
At some point I'd like to see the info get confirmed by actual journalists but that doesn't mean it's not true.
As far as the idea that it connects to possible litigation by the Pac-2, who knows? It did come out of the blue...
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 1, 2024 10:11:47 GMT -8
From various tweets and other information, most of which are the dart at the dartboard type where they hit every so often. I only post this summary because it's a little slow in college sport land. - Apparently the Big12 has taken a sudden interest in adding the Pac-2 and has even taken a straw poll amongst its members. - WVU, Cincy, OCF, OSU (Oklahoma State) and Kansas vote no. The others vote yes. I don't know if that includes the ex-PAC-12 members. - One possible reason is that if the Big12 takes PAC-2, that leaves less options for the ACC which is going to implode, allowing the Big12 to snag some existing ACC properties, like Marvin Gardens. This also allows ESPN to not renew the ACC (which, with enough new members could sustain itself). And it would be cheaper to do so if the PAC-2 brought along some cash (although I'm not sure how that would work since they can't announce anything until next August). - Another rumor is that ESPN is "encouraging" the Big12. Why would they do this? Again, pure speculation is that there is some sort of lawsuit brewing between PAC-2 and ESPN...or maybe ACC + PAC-2 and ESPN. Add on to this the belief that Utah somehow provided WSU some sort of information helpful in this regard. Also, WSU's president (or was it AD?) stating a few weeks ago that things were going on behind the scenes. Also, as a side note, there was a rumor a month or so ago about Utah to the B1G being announced this year. Who knows. Again, all complete speculation, with not a lot of additional sources backing this up. But it was a complete enough set of rumors with logical pieces linking them together and...it's slow. Part 973 will be an audiobook as read by Mike Riley. So those 7 existing members voting FOR would be: Baylor BYU Houston ISU KSU TCU TX Tech |
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Post by grayman on Aug 1, 2024 10:16:57 GMT -8
From various tweets and other information, most of which are the dart at the dartboard type where they hit every so often. I only post this summary because it's a little slow in college sport land. - Apparently the Big12 has taken a sudden interest in adding the Pac-2 and has even taken a straw poll amongst its members. - WVU, Cincy, OCF, OSU (Oklahoma State) and Kansas vote no. The others vote yes. I don't know if that includes the ex-PAC-12 members. - One possible reason is that if the Big12 takes PAC-2, that leaves less options for the ACC which is going to implode, allowing the Big12 to snag some existing ACC properties, like Marvin Gardens. This also allows ESPN to not renew the ACC (which, with enough new members could sustain itself). And it would be cheaper to do so if the PAC-2 brought along some cash (although I'm not sure how that would work since they can't announce anything until next August). - Another rumor is that ESPN is "encouraging" the Big12. Why would they do this? Again, pure speculation is that there is some sort of lawsuit brewing between PAC-2 and ESPN...or maybe ACC + PAC-2 and ESPN. Add on to this the belief that Utah somehow provided WSU some sort of information helpful in this regard. Also, WSU's president (or was it AD?) stating a few weeks ago that things were going on behind the scenes. Also, as a side note, there was a rumor a month or so ago about Utah to the B1G being announced this year. Who knows. Again, all complete speculation, with not a lot of additional sources backing this up. But it was a complete enough set of rumors with logical pieces linking them together and...it's slow. Part 973 will be an audiobook as read by Mike Riley. So those 7 existing members voting FOR would be: Baylor BYU Houston ISU KSU TCU TX Tech My guess (if this happened) is that UCF, WVU and Cincy voted no in part due to travel concerns. Apparently there were no hard no votes, just some schools want to learn more about financials, etc. I have no idea if the ex-Pac teams voted. They are not official members yet but this was also a straw vote. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 1, 2024 10:31:17 GMT -8
From various tweets and other information, most of which are the dart at the dartboard type where they hit every so often. I only post this summary because it's a little slow in college sport land. - Apparently the Big12 has taken a sudden interest in adding the Pac-2 and has even taken a straw poll amongst its members. - WVU, Cincy, OCF, OSU (Oklahoma State) and Kansas vote no. The others vote yes. I don't know if that includes the ex-PAC-12 members. - One possible reason is that if the Big12 takes PAC-2, that leaves less options for the ACC which is going to implode, allowing the Big12 to snag some existing ACC properties, like Marvin Gardens. This also allows ESPN to not renew the ACC (which, with enough new members could sustain itself). And it would be cheaper to do so if the PAC-2 brought along some cash (although I'm not sure how that would work since they can't announce anything until next August). - Another rumor is that ESPN is "encouraging" the Big12. Why would they do this? Again, pure speculation is that there is some sort of lawsuit brewing between PAC-2 and ESPN...or maybe ACC + PAC-2 and ESPN. Add on to this the belief that Utah somehow provided WSU some sort of information helpful in this regard. Also, WSU's president (or was it AD?) stating a few weeks ago that things were going on behind the scenes. Also, as a side note, there was a rumor a month or so ago about Utah to the B1G being announced this year. Who knows. Again, all complete speculation, with not a lot of additional sources backing this up. But it was a complete enough set of rumors with logical pieces linking them together and...it's slow. Part 973 will be an audiobook as read by Mike Riley. So those 7 existing members voting FOR would be: Baylor BYU Houston ISU KSU TCU TX Tech And someone mentioned later embedded somewhere that Houston and ISU said no as well. But since there are no quoted sources, it's 100% unreliable for any of this. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 1, 2024 10:48:18 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt.
He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract.
The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period.
Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets.
It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that.
A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 1, 2024 13:49:22 GMT -8
Since we are all guessing. Bottom line: All those other schools are chicken. They are afraid of The Beav.
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Post by 93beav on Aug 1, 2024 13:53:05 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt. He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract. The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period. Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets. It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that. A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout. Well, I think it would have to be communicated as a try-out, wink wink nudge nudge...or else then the Pac-2 would be themselves declaring as leaving the league and then that would effectively allow the traitorous ten to claim the left-over monies need to be split up. But if they were to say try out and then announce, oh I don't know, sometime after next August's deadline, they would retain the money and be able to make the move. I'm sure the ten would be pissed off, but I'm not sure if anybody cares. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 1, 2024 14:07:58 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt. He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract. The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period. Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets. It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that. A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout. Well, I think it would have to be communicated as a try-out, wink wink nudge nudge...or else then the Pac-2 would be themselves declaring as leaving the league and then that would effectively allow the traitorous ten to claim the left-over monies need to be split up. But if they were to say try out and then announce, oh I don't know, sometime after next August's deadline, they would retain the money and be able to make the move. I'm sure the ten would be pissed off, but I'm not sure if anybody cares. I think I see the potential for a Benny's House poll: "Do you, or do you not care if the "Traiterous 10" are pissed off, that we were able to join another P4 conference, and keep all of the remaining money in the PAC?" - please vote!  |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 1, 2024 14:17:48 GMT -8
Maybe three months ago, I saw a podcast of "locked on Big 12" with a West Virginia "expert." That podcast is a one-man-show by a recent Baylor graduate. He does a good job. Anyway, the WVU guy said West Virginia (and Cincinnati and Cent. Florida) are afraid of the Big 12 becoming a western conference and those three schools being relegated to insignificance. The rumors I hear about the B12 and ACC trading schools may be related to this (along with Cal, Stanford, and maybe SMU).
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 1, 2024 14:20:55 GMT -8
Well those three school are correct. They are insignificant now and will be in the future.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 1, 2024 14:21:51 GMT -8
I hope the traitorous ten smell like urine forever.
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