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Post by p8nted on Aug 1, 2024 15:18:33 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt.He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract. The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period. Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets. It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that. A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout. Dead Stop on that guy. Totally makes crap up over and over. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 1, 2024 16:55:26 GMT -8
Central Florida was a thing for about 15 minutes. The great, exciting Qb (McKenzie Milton?) and the coach that used to work hard, Scott Frost.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 1, 2024 17:28:07 GMT -8
Central Florida was a thing for about 15 minutes. The great, exciting Qb (McKenzie Milton?) and the coach that used to work hard, Scott Frost. UCF also had the current uck QB |
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Post by beaverboilermaker on Aug 1, 2024 19:06:03 GMT -8
Well those three school are correct. They are insignificant now and will be in the future. And importantly, they were even more insignificant before 2 were brought into the Big12 specifically as a defensive move to increase their size and footprint when they were concerned the Pac would pick it apart after texa$ and the $ooners left. Cincinnati had been conference-hopping for years between Conf-USA, the Big East and the American until the desperate Big12 called in 2022. UCF is even less relevant, not having a football program at all until 1979 and finally joining then-Division 1A in 1996, drifting between the MAC, CUSA and the American until 2022. The Big12 in general has historically been a less stable conference than the Pac. So I believe my anger is appropriately directed toward the Pac schools that blocked doing what the Big12 did - picking the best of the available universities to get to 16 total with 2 strong divisions and all the best programs in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, with a few likely joining from the western states of the Central time zone. My belief (understood without evidence) is that u$c and u¢la already knew they were headed to the Big10, and may have been directed or thought it in their best interests to get the Pac to collapse. The threat of legal action for tampering and collusion related to contract violations and anti-trust will hopefully get OSU and the Cougs to be made whole, and it just adds to the absurdity that schools like u¢inn and u¢f would be able to block it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2024 13:28:51 GMT -8
Well those three school are correct. They are insignificant now and will be in the future. And importantly, they were even more insignificant before 2 were brought into the Big12 specifically as a defensive move to increase their size and footprint when they were concerned the Pac would pick it apart after texa$ and the $ooners left. Cincinnati had been conference-hopping for years between Conf-USA, the Big East and the American until the desperate Big12 called in 2022. UCF is even less relevant, not having a football program at all until 1979 and finally joining then-Division 1A in 1996, drifting between the MAC, CUSA and the American until 2022. The Big12 in general has historically been a less stable conference than the Pac. So I believe my anger is appropriately directed toward the Pac schools that blocked doing what the Big12 did - picking the best of the available universities to get to 16 total with 2 strong divisions and all the best programs in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, with a few likely joining from the western states of the Central time zone. My belief (understood without evidence) is that u$c and u¢la already knew they were headed to the Big10, and may have been directed or thought it in their best interests to get the Pac to collapse. The threat of legal action for tampering and collusion related to contract violations and anti-trust will hopefully get OSU and the Cougs to be made whole, and it just adds to the absurdity that schools like u¢inn and u¢f would be able to block it. Cincinnati was a member of the Great Midwest Conference beginning in 1990. Six members of the Great Midwest (including Cincinnati), five members of the Metro Conference, and Houston created Conference USA in 1995, starting up a football conference in 1996. The ACC raided the Big East in 2003, adding Boston College, Miami, and Virginia Tech. The Big East, in response, raided Conference USA, adding five teams, including Cincinnati. Conference USA, in turn, raided the MAC, including Central Florida, and WAC, adding six teams. In 2012, West Virginia left the Big East for the Big 12. In 2013 and 2014, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse left to the ACC. Rutgers left for the Big Ten in 2014. The 10 Big East basketball schools kicked out the remaining three football schools: Cincinnati, Connecticut, and South Florida. (Technically, both Louisville and Rutgers were members at the time, but they had given up their vote, because they were moving on to the ACC and Big Ten, respectively.) The five Big East football teams reinvited Temple, which had been kicked out of the Big East in 2012 and added four Conference USA schools, including Central Florida. It should be noted that the Big East issues beginning in 2012 were caused by the Big East attempting to negotiate a contract as good as or better than the Pac-12 contract. By waiting around without a grant of rights and/or media rights contract, the Big East opened themselves up to poaching, which the other conferences did, almost killing off the conference. In response to the SEC's raid on the Big 12, the Big 12 raided the American Athletic Conference, adding both Central Florida and Cincinnati. Just like bad leadership turned the Big East into the American and left the American open to later raids, bad leadership turned the Pac-12 into the Pac-2. Central Florida and Cincinnati have the luxury of being in recruit-rich Florida and Ohio, respectively, compared to generally recruit-less Oregon. |
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Aug 2, 2024 19:19:29 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 2, 2024 19:58:42 GMT -8
John seems to leave out the bulk of the article including a 2nd source. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 3, 2024 5:18:08 GMT -8
John seems to leave out the bulk of the article including a 2nd source.  |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 3, 2024 8:14:16 GMT -8
John seems to leave out the bulk of the article including a 2nd source. A lot has already been said about the importance of winning since the traitorous 10 bailed on us. Last year, as has already been stated, was an important year to show what we were made of - and JS appears, looking back with more information, to have mailed it in much of the season, squandering momentum and talent.
The need for TB and team to have a big year, in spite of the odds (new coach, lots of players gone to the draft, portal) is obvious. Not sure with 2026 looming, and realignment discussions continuing, you can overstate the importance of this season. Go Beavs! |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 3, 2024 9:54:41 GMT -8
A lot has already been said about the importance of winning since the traitorous 10 bailed on us. Last year, as has already been stated, was an important year to show what we were made of - and JS appears, looking back with more information, to have mailed it in much of the season, squandering momentum and talent.
The need for TB and team to have a big year, in spite of the odds (new coach, lots of players gone to the draft, portal) is obvious. Not sure with 2026 looming, and realignment discussions continuing, you can overstate the importance of this season. Go Beavs! Yeah, this was NOT the year to do a complete rebuild. If JS had stayed and kept his coaches and most of the talent for just one more year... But the past is the past. We're just going to have to sweat it out. I'm a little worried about a brand new offense being installed but there weren't many people left to remember the old one. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 3, 2024 10:02:53 GMT -8
A lot has already been said about the importance of winning since the traitorous 10 bailed on us. Last year, as has already been stated, was an important year to show what we were made of - and JS appears, looking back with more information, to have mailed it in much of the season, squandering momentum and talent.
The need for TB and team to have a big year, in spite of the odds (new coach, lots of players gone to the draft, portal) is obvious. Not sure with 2026 looming, and realignment discussions continuing, you can overstate the importance of this season. Go Beavs! Yeah, this was NOT the year to do a complete rebuild. If JS had stayed and kept his coaches and most of the talent for just one more year... But the past is the past. We're just going to have to sweat it out. I'm a little worried about a brand new offense being installed but there weren't many people left to remember the old one. No disrespect to the MWC teams, but I am glad we are basically playing a season long OOC schedule this year. Better than playing the normal Pac12 - not going to be easy, but I think easier than it would have been. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 3, 2024 10:39:23 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt. He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract. The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period. Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets. It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that. A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout. The challenge is, we'd have no issue is this was the last two years. We'd have solid ratings and be a shoe in. Nationally ranked team on the upswing people were tuning into. We are now on the outside looking in, with our roster being raided and fighting for our lives. We are not on fair footing to make a rating showing. That has to be considered. Big 12 needs to look at what we WERE doing, on our own, when we were in the Pac. look at what we pulled when we faced SDSU, and other teams where they were not the name draw. We are a ticket for that conference to get west coast eyes on them more. There is an advantage here I really think they are overlooking. They need to stop thinking about their inherent perception of the name Oregon State, and look at the real numbers of what we were doing on TV. We had good numbers. we really did. But if they hem and haw over it, OSU erodes and gets left behind and all we become is the Big 12's self fulfilled prophecy. Put us back in a P4, stabilize OSU, and OSU will bring the eyes. Just stop dicking around over it all ready, it is stupid. There is a huge opportunity for a western region, a huge opportunity for Big 12 to get new eyes from screens they really haven't had before, PDX and Seattle, primarily. There is nothing to loose and with our war chest, OSU/WSU can even sweeten the pot and self fund our selves and take reduced payouts for several seasons. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 3, 2024 10:57:15 GMT -8
This is all (or at least mostly) coming from MHver3 on X, so grain of salt. He is now reporting that WVU and a few other Big 12 schools are proposing to Yormark that the Big 12 enters into a scheduling alliance with the Pac-2 and if the ratings are satisfactory then an invitation would be made with entrance fee (alleviates travel costs for them) and a graduated buy-in. Would not be a full share member until next TV contract. The Pac-2 halts all legal disputes with networks during evaluation period. Pac-2 relinquishes all Pac-12 assets. It's pretty obvious that OSU and WSU aren't going to go for that. A scheduling alliance with the Big 12 for 2025 would make a lot of sense if the Pac-2 is joining at some point. But not as a tryout. The challenge is, we'd have no issue is this was the last two years. We'd have solid ratings and be a shoe in. Nationally ranked team on the upswing people were tuning into. We are now on the outside looking in, with our roster being raided and fighting for our lives. We are not on fair footing to make a rating showing. That has to be considered. Big 12 needs to look at what we WERE doing, on our own, when we were in the Pac. look at what we pulled when we faced SDSU, and other teams where they were not the name draw. We are a ticket for that conference to get west coast eyes on them more. There is an advantage here I really think they are overlooking. They need to stop thinking about their inherent perception of the name Oregon State, and look at the real numbers of what we were doing on TV. We had good numbers. we really did. But if they hem and haw over it, OSU erodes and gets left behind and all we become is the Big 12's self fulfilled prophecy. Put us back in a P4, stabilize OSU, and OSU will bring the eyes. Just stop dicking around over it all ready, it is stupid. There is a huge opportunity for a western region, a huge opportunity for Big 12 to get new eyes from screens they really haven't had before, PDX and Seattle, primarily. There is nothing to loose and with our war chest, OSU/WSU can even sweeten the pot and self fund our selves and take reduced payouts for several seasons. I wouldn't worry about it. If this is all true, it's mainly West Virginia that is pushing for it. I'm pretty sure Brett Yormark is fully aware of what OSU has done while in the Pac-12. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 4, 2024 17:33:59 GMT -8
Yeah, this was NOT the year to do a complete rebuild. If JS had stayed and kept his coaches and most of the talent for just one more year... But the past is the past. We're just going to have to sweat it out. I'm a little worried about a brand new offense being installed but there weren't many people left to remember the old one. No disrespect to the MWC teams, but I am glad we are basically playing a season long OOC schedule this year. Better than playing the normal Pac12 - not going to be easy, but I think easier than it would have been. Which is all the more reason that we have to finish with a lot of wins. Coach Bray needs to keep the team fighting and fighting hard. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 4, 2024 17:58:54 GMT -8
The latest from MHver3...
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