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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 30, 2024 9:11:37 GMT -8
The fake punt against Hawai'i in 2019 was also horrendous. The call cost Oregon State a bowl game, maybe against Boston College in the 2020 Birmingham Bowl? Two of the worst calls in Oregon State history. Similarly in 2019, we went for a 4th down against ASU at home in a close 4Q game, didn't get it (not even close) but got bailed out by an entirely unnecessary PI call thanks to a bonehead play by the ASU DB. Held on to win the game at the very least and JS got away with it. I remember turning to the people around me and saying that play is just going to fuel that aggressiveness even more and cost us down the road. It didn't take long and then the WSU debacle happened, late in the 4Q with a one possession lead, run-run-run, get stuffed all 3 times then try a back shoulder fade to Hodgins on 4th down that also didn't come close to working. WSU races down the field to score and win the game and also contributed to OSU missing a bowl game.
2021 @colorado still haunts me too. But we could go down this road forever and get mad all over again... Hopefully some of that decision making left with the departing portion of the staff.
2019 Wazzu. Jermar Jefferson got five yards on first down and then got stuffed on second and third down. The fourth down pass was to Teagan Quitoriano, not Hodgins. And it was a genius play-call, leaving Quitoriano wide open. It was one of those Quitoriano was so wide open plays that he sat, and Luton, under some pressure, thought that Quitoriano would keep running the route. The offense scored 53 points, though. It is hard to hang the loss on that side of the ball. Tim Tibesar was the big thorn in Oregon State's paw at that time, and he would remain there just wrecking the team for most of the following two seasons. The really haunting part of the Wazzu game was coming out of timeout in dime formation at the two freaking yard-line on the very last play of the game. Dumbest thing that I have seen a DC do, since the GAG days. In GAG, you would see multiple defensive players line up on the wrong side of the field and think nothing of it, though. I do not remember a worse defensive play-call ever in such an important position. 53-48 with two seconds left at the two. Let's trot out a 3-2-6 and see if they don't just run it down our throats for the win. Infuriating. The Hawai'i and Wazzu losses doomed that 2019 season. Who knows where Oregon State would have wound up with a win there.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 30, 2024 9:38:03 GMT -8
I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though: It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving. It is easy to say how someone else should have done something when the facts are all known, yes. But almost everyone should be able to agree that Smitty did something wrong. Respectfully, only someone with an antisocial disorder would look at what Smitty did and think that he handled things perfectly. The next sentence is an ad hominem attack. Smitty handling the situation the way that he did "seems sillier" then resigning before the Civil War. Then there is a rhetorical question followed by two sentences answering the rhetorical. In your final three sentences, you are basically saying that the drive is irrelevant as long as the destination is the same. The means are irrelevant, because the ends are the same. And I fundamentally disagree. The means determine the ends. The drive is at least as important as the destination. Had Smitty acted with dignity, honor, and respect, he would not have did what he did. This is why I believe that the pitchforks should be sharpened and the torches lit.
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Post by vhalum92 on Jul 30, 2024 10:50:37 GMT -8
I have a few thoughts, but let me be clear... I agree with the conclusion of most of you here... betrayed by one of our Program heroes as a player and Head Coach!
Smitty was more of an Erickson guy than a Riley guy... and Erickson bounced all over during his coaching career. Not making any excuses just a data point to consider. Maybe one day Smitty will come to the conclusion that leaving OSU was a bad choice just as Erickson has publicly admitted.
I think in the end, Smitty is just not that strong of a leader to see the situation his almamater was/is in and say I'm going to lead this athletic department through this and come out the other side a better leader and coach. Smitty is a leader, but he apparently didn't have the confidence in himself to see us through this. He might continue to develop as a leader at the new place... but I'm skeptical.
Looking back to other odd in game decisions I think that lack of leadership can be seen as well.... his football IQ is too high to try to explain those odd decisions as strategically good decisions... I think it was his assistant's having too much of a say at the wrong time/his lack of being a strong leader.
So.... it will be interesting to watch how he handles tough situations at the new place that has it's own issues and challenges. But watching how Bray reacted and is continuing to lead our program really had me start questioning the strength of leadership JS has.
Go Beavs... I'm getting more excited about our football future! It feels like we could come out of this better than I had originally thought.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 30, 2024 11:09:48 GMT -8
It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving. It is easy to say how someone else should have done something when the facts are all known, yes. But almost everyone should be able to agree that Smitty did something wrong. Respectfully, only someone with an antisocial disorder would look at what Smitty did and think that he handled things perfectly. The next sentence is an ad hominem attack. Smitty handling the situation the way that he did "seems sillier" then resigning before the Civil War. Then there is a rhetorical question followed by two sentences answering the rhetorical. In your final three sentences, you are basically saying that the drive is irrelevant as long as the destination is the same. The means are irrelevant, because the ends are the same. And I fundamentally disagree. The means determine the ends. The drive is at least as important as the destination. Had Smitty acted with dignity, honor, and respect, he would not have did what he did. This is why I believe that the pitchforks should be sharpened and the torches lit. We haven't seen the last attempt to rehab JS's image. It will happen again - and again. Either here, or in East Lansing. Call me what you will, but I do not casually forgive, and I do not forget. Forgive and forget are not the same thing. Over time, the outrage and sting will subside. But I, and many others, will not forget.
A while back on this board, different thread, Bill Walton came up. Some on here asked why I had a negative opinion of him. I referenced what happened when he played with the Blazers, that he had asked the team doctor to give him pain meds/ cortisone shots, even though the doctor advised against it. He was told he could further injure his knee, and end his career. He forced the doctor to give it to him anyway, because he wanted to play in the playoffs. Well, he did get that career ending injury. Then, he tried suing the team doctor, and blamed the Blazers.
Fast forward to recent years, and BW came back and apologized to Portland, for blaming the Blazers and trashing Portland, for what was his own decision, his own doing. Now that is how you do it. Admit when you are wrong, and ask for forgiveness. I have respect for BW for doing that. Too bad he is no longer with us. I will always be quick to forgive when someone comes in honesty and authenticity, and asks for forgiveness. So far, JS has not even come close to that. And he may never get there. F him.
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 30, 2024 21:09:52 GMT -8
It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving. It is easy to say how someone else should have done something when the facts are all known, yes. But almost everyone should be able to agree that Smitty did something wrong. Respectfully, only someone with an antisocial disorder would look at what Smitty did and think that he handled things perfectly. The next sentence is an ad hominem attack. Smitty handling the situation the way that he did "seems sillier" then resigning before the Civil War. Then there is a rhetorical question followed by two sentences answering the rhetorical. In your final three sentences, you are basically saying that the drive is irrelevant as long as the destination is the same. The means are irrelevant, because the ends are the same. And I fundamentally disagree. The means determine the ends. The drive is at least as important as the destination. Had Smitty acted with dignity, honor, and respect, he would not have did what he did. This is why I believe that the pitchforks should be sharpened and the torches lit. Lordy, a sermon from someone who doesn't know then from than. And, again, you didn't answer any of my questions and you cannot define any of your statements. "dignity, honor, and respect"? He took a better job and you'd crucify him for it no matter how it had been handled, as evidenced by your complete and utter lack of ability to define what he should have done that you would not have hated. Despite being faced with such an obvious question, you fail to answer it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 30, 2024 22:25:46 GMT -8
It is easy to say how someone else should have done something when the facts are all known, yes. But almost everyone should be able to agree that Smitty did something wrong. Respectfully, only someone with an antisocial disorder would look at what Smitty did and think that he handled things perfectly. The next sentence is an ad hominem attack. Smitty handling the situation the way that he did "seems sillier" then resigning before the Civil War. Then there is a rhetorical question followed by two sentences answering the rhetorical. In your final three sentences, you are basically saying that the drive is irrelevant as long as the destination is the same. The means are irrelevant, because the ends are the same. And I fundamentally disagree. The means determine the ends. The drive is at least as important as the destination. Had Smitty acted with dignity, honor, and respect, he would not have did what he did. This is why I believe that the pitchforks should be sharpened and the torches lit. Lordy, a sermon from someone who doesn't know then from than. And, again, you didn't answer any of my questions and you cannot define any of your statements. "dignity, honor, and respect"? He took a better job and you'd crucify him for it no matter how it had been handled, as evidenced by your complete and utter lack of ability to define what he should have done that you would not have hated. Despite being faced with such an obvious question, you fail to answer it. It's not really structured as a sermon. I am responding to your post. One vowel out of place and that is the takeaway? So be it. Smitty lacks honor and treated Oregon State with neither dignity nor respect. I would not crucify Smitty, if he had acted with honor, if he had treated Oregon State with dignity and respect. As stated above, I personally object to the manner and way that Smitty quit on the team without quitting. If you have quit on the team before the Civil War, you quit. You are transparent. You announce it. Better yet is to keep everything to yourself until after the Civil War and treat Oregon State like they are still your employer and that you still care about the institution, its players, and its fans. After the game, you swiftly make whatever moves you want to make. Both of those are better than what was done, which was quitting on the team, university, and fans without quitting, trying to act like you are the smartest guy in the room, when you are not. I have already answered this, and you said that my assertions were "silly." I again pointed out what should have been done, and you started talking about a's and e's. This is the third time. There will be no fourth. The horse is dead. Feel free to win the argument ad nauseum, if you would like.
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 31, 2024 16:28:42 GMT -8
It is easy to say how someone else should have done something when the facts are all known, yes. But almost everyone should be able to agree that Smitty did something wrong. Respectfully, only someone with an antisocial disorder would look at what Smitty did and think that he handled things perfectly. The next sentence is an ad hominem attack. Smitty handling the situation the way that he did "seems sillier" then resigning before the Civil War. Then there is a rhetorical question followed by two sentences answering the rhetorical. In your final three sentences, you are basically saying that the drive is irrelevant as long as the destination is the same. The means are irrelevant, because the ends are the same. And I fundamentally disagree. The means determine the ends. The drive is at least as important as the destination. Had Smitty acted with dignity, honor, and respect, he would not have did what he did. This is why I believe that the pitchforks should be sharpened and the torches lit. Lordy, a sermon from someone who doesn't know then from than. And, again, you didn't answer any of my questions and you cannot define any of your statements. "dignity, honor, and respect"? He took a better job and you'd crucify him for it no matter how it had been handled, as evidenced by your complete and utter lack of ability to define what he should have done that you would not have hated. Despite being faced with such an obvious question, you fail to answer it. Yadda yadda and hindsight is 20/20 and all that jazz, I get it. What he should have done (my opinion, since you're asking the board for it) was stay at OSU. He led a program on the rise, lived in a great place to raise a family, the area has pretty decent weather, and he'd still have millions. He'd have been more than a legend when it was all said and done. He said he made the best decision for his family, but that seems a convenient, heart tugging excuse. What improved for his family, exactly? I'm not sure more millions will do something for the Smith family that the slightly less millions don't. And they already had a pretty sweet life in pretty great area. No, he didn't make the decision that was best for his family, he made a decision for him. Perhaps it didn't disrupt his family too much (if you overlook that moving halfway across the country, leaving friends behind and having to start over again in a different community thing). I'm pretty sure a decision like that was discussed with his wife and she probably had to be on board with it, but it wasn't the best decision for his family and continuing to say that seem disingenuous to me. Dennis Erickson has on more than one occasion shared that in retrospect, the professional decision he made to leave OSU was one of his biggest, if not his greatest, regret. No idea if Smith will feel the same way,
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Post by wetrodentia on Jul 31, 2024 16:37:22 GMT -8
I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though: basically agree with you. Whenever Smith decided it would be dumb for him to stay, probably around Labor Day, he should have had this conversation with his agent: hey agent, see what is out there for me. It's got to be in the big10 or sec. Tell any interested schools I will talk to them after the regular season ends. We need to be successful at Corvallis this year and I don't want distractions. Feel free to use this as leverage with Scott Barnes. If he had done that, he would likely have a better job and he wouldn't be hated at the school he played for and resurrected after the gag disaster. Exactly. I'm disappointed Smitty is not the guy I held him up to be. Even if he was anxious to jump ship because ambition, money, ego, etc. he could have had some integrity and told his agent: "I want another job. See what's out there. Tell them I'm interested but I want no distractions because I'm committed to my alma mater for this season and I want to focus on their/our success. I owe them that. If they don't want to wait I understand but if I start negotiating mid-season and start thinking about hitting the door it will compromise my ability to do my best at my current job, and if I do that to my alma mater what makes them think I won't do that to them when the time comes? They should completely understand and respect that decision. That's what they should want in a head coach. The moment the Civil War ends I'll be happy to talk to them, but not before. I will make no decisions until I finish the job this season." And his agent should have encouraged him to do just that ... "Niner, don't sweat it. Finish this season strong and all kinds of doors will be open. You don't have to settle for Michigan State. I'll have 4 interviews lined up the next day. Just focus on winning games. I got the rest. We'll get that payday and a P4 job. No doubt." Call it delusional but that's what I imagined when I thought he might leave us. Not "I'm just gonna go through the motions preparing for our rival this week and bail."
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Post by irimi on Jul 31, 2024 20:21:16 GMT -8
I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though: It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving. Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him.
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 31, 2024 23:20:39 GMT -8
It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving. Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate.
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Post by irimi on Aug 1, 2024 4:35:03 GMT -8
Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate. How should it have gone down? Minimally, he should have delayed flying off to MSU. He should have stuck around a few more days after the last Civil War. He should have held a news conference and spoken to Beaver Nation. He should have thanked Beaver Nation for believing in him once more. He should have expressed regret for leaving OSU. He should have cried a little as he said these things. He should have been a f%#*ing adult about the thing and not a petulant child. He never had the balls to address Beaver Nation. And this doesn't even include my thoughts on the Civil War game, his lying to the press/Beaver Nation, or any of the other bulls%#t. This is what he could have done to keep a little respect among fans. But he didn't. Instead, he went to Goodwill and dumped his stuff, like an emotional girl after getting dumped. WTF?! The image he painted as he departed Corvallis was one of disgust and dislike for OSU and the Beavers. Has he no honor, loyalty, tact, or grace? I don't actually hate him; I pity him. To go through life without the ability to see the tactful or honorable way to act is a sad way to live. He really showed that he is a big child, not a man at all. Poor guy.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 1, 2024 6:17:31 GMT -8
Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate. Bulls%#t. We now know an awful lot about how it went down. Too bad your ability to critically think on this subject is so specious.
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Post by ag87 on Aug 1, 2024 6:44:51 GMT -8
Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate. Text book examples of rationalization and projection
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 1, 2024 9:44:12 GMT -8
Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate. "Pure hate"......you mean kinda like what you spout off in here with every post?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 1, 2024 12:48:09 GMT -8
Is the burden upon us to figure out the proper way for him to have left so that you can shoot it down? There are a multitude of ways that he could have handled the situation which would have left him in good standing with Beaver fans. But let's set that aside for now. Do you remember when he did that interview telling everyone that no, he wasn't actively looking for a new job? Remember? Yeah, he was lying. At the very least, he was disingenuous. And...if you have a contract, is it cool to get paid and not perform at the level that you have before simply because you know that you're leaving soon? And, as a coach demanding his players to give their all, doesn't leaving the way that he did make him a hypocrite? So he's a liar, a slacker, and a hypocrite. And you want us to respect him? f%#* him. Oh wait, none of the members of this board have ever lied? Holy s%#t! That's amazing! The fact of the matter is that none of us know anything about how it actually went down, and you guys refuse to tell us how it "should" have been. There's no reasoning, no logic, just pure hate. Straw man fallacy. You are simplifying arguments down to something that no one is saying and then refuting that pretend argument. I have lied, but I have never lied to an employer to extend my stay so as to poach other fellow employees, staff, and clients, while really half-a$$ing it with my extended time remaining. And a couple of my employers have been real b@#*ards. You did something comparable? Or worse? If you have done something awful, so that what Smitty did does not seem so bad, I don't know what to tell you. Find God or something. What Smitty did was classless. I have seen it done, but I do not respect the people who do it. I do not respect Smitty or his actions at the end of last year. I am not saying the same thing a fourth time about "shoulds." Besides, irimi does a great job above.
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