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Post by bvrbooster on Jul 26, 2024 17:36:32 GMT -8
Just a few thoughts:
Our team, which played very, very well all year, didn't show up for the Ducks game, and I put that entirely on their knowing their coaches were going to desert them. Then, both literally and figuratively, they, and the coaching staff, didn't show up for the bowl game. I have no idea how many of the players would have bailed if the coaches didn't, but I'd put the lion's share of that on the coaches as well.
With respect to Smith leaving when and how he did, somebody correct me if anything I'm saying here is incorrect. He was the highest paid coach at OSU, and probably the highest paid in school history. None of the other head coaches in significant sports bailed when the conference was destroyed, just Smith. I believe he and Rueck were the only OSU alums with head coaching positions here. Scott could have gotten another higher paying job; he stuck with his alma mater, Smith didn't.
Oregon State made Jonathan Smith as a player, and Oregon State made him as a head coach. The way he went about his departure sticks in my craw. His recent comments reminds me of Abe Vigoda's character in The Godfather when they're about to whack him for setting up Michael Corleone to be assassinated. He said something like, "Tell Michael it was just business. I always liked the kid."
That's Jonathan. "Tell all the fans at OSU I always liked them and the school; it was just business."
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 26, 2024 19:51:10 GMT -8
Just a few thoughts: Our team, which played very, very well all year, didn't show up for the Ducks game, and I put that entirely on their knowing their coaches were going to desert them. Then, both literally and figuratively, they, and the coaching staff, didn't show up for the bowl game. I have no idea how many of the players would have bailed if the coaches didn't, but I'd put the lion's share of that on the coaches as well. With respect to Smith leaving when and how he did, somebody correct me if anything I'm saying here is incorrect. He was the highest paid coach at OSU, and probably the highest paid in school history. None of the other head coaches in significant sports bailed when the conference was destroyed, just Smith. I believe he and Rueck were the only OSU alums with head coaching positions here. Scott could have gotten another higher paying job; he stuck with his alma mater, Smith didn't. Oregon State made Jonathan Smith as a player, and Oregon State made him as a head coach. The way he went about his departure sticks in my craw. His recent comments reminds me of Abe Vigoda's character in The Godfather when they're about to whack him for setting up Michael Corleone to be assassinated. He said something like, "Tell Michael it was just business. I always liked the kid." That's Jonathan. "Tell all the fans at OSU I always liked them and the school; it was just business." I naively thought we had our "Kyle Whittingham" in he who shall not be named. It's a bummer, but at the end of the day, I think Bray is closer to a Whittingham than milk maid ever was. Unfortunate that we don't have a seat at the big boy table. But I am excited about Brays tenure coming up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 26, 2024 20:47:29 GMT -8
Just a few thoughts: Our team, which played very, very well all year, didn't show up for the Ducks game, and I put that entirely on their knowing their coaches were going to desert them. Then, both literally and figuratively, they, and the coaching staff, didn't show up for the bowl game. I have no idea how many of the players would have bailed if the coaches didn't, but I'd put the lion's share of that on the coaches as well. With respect to Smith leaving when and how he did, somebody correct me if anything I'm saying here is incorrect. He was the highest paid coach at OSU, and probably the highest paid in school history. None of the other head coaches in significant sports bailed when the conference was destroyed, just Smith. I believe he and Rueck were the only OSU alums with head coaching positions here. Scott could have gotten another higher paying job; he stuck with his alma mater, Smith didn't. Oregon State made Jonathan Smith as a player, and Oregon State made him as a head coach. The way he went about his departure sticks in my craw. His recent comments reminds me of Abe Vigoda's character in The Godfather when they're about to whack him for setting up Michael Corleone to be assassinated. He said something like, "Tell Michael it was just business. I always liked the kid." That's Jonathan. "Tell all the fans at OSU I always liked them and the school; it was just business." Yes, Smitty is Sal Tessio. Just need to figure out, when to settle all of the Family Business. Victor Stracci, Moe Greene, Carmine Cuneo, Emilo Barzini, Philip Tattaglia, Sal Tessio, and Carlo Rizzi all have it coming.
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 26, 2024 20:51:09 GMT -8
Just a few thoughts: Our team, which played very, very well all year, didn't show up for the Ducks game, and I put that entirely on their knowing their coaches were going to desert them. Then, both literally and figuratively, they, and the coaching staff, didn't show up for the bowl game. I have no idea how many of the players would have bailed if the coaches didn't, but I'd put the lion's share of that on the coaches as well. With respect to Smith leaving when and how he did, somebody correct me if anything I'm saying here is incorrect. He was the highest paid coach at OSU, and probably the highest paid in school history. None of the other head coaches in significant sports bailed when the conference was destroyed, just Smith. I believe he and Rueck were the only OSU alums with head coaching positions here. Scott could have gotten another higher paying job; he stuck with his alma mater, Smith didn't. Oregon State made Jonathan Smith as a player, and Oregon State made him as a head coach. The way he went about his departure sticks in my craw. His recent comments reminds me of Abe Vigoda's character in The Godfather when they're about to whack him for setting up Michael Corleone to be assassinated. He said something like, "Tell Michael it was just business. I always liked the kid." That's Jonathan. "Tell all the fans at OSU I always liked them and the school; it was just business." Yes, Smitty is Sal Tessio. Just need to figure out, when to settle all of the Family Business. Victor Stracci, Moe Greene, Carmine Cuneo, Emilo Barzini, Philip Tattaglia, Sal Tessio, and Carlo Rizzi all have it coming. “…..Let me off the hook, Tom……..for old times sake…..”. “Can’t do it, Salee ..”
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 26, 2024 22:28:42 GMT -8
He got like a 2.3 million dollar a year raise to go from what ended up being the Pac-2 to the conference with the top or 2nd highest economic power in the game today. I loved living in Corvallis. I'll take 15 million dollars or whatever to live in Lubbock Texas for a few years. Actually Lubbock might require a bit more. Smells like s%#t.
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Post by bvrbred on Jul 27, 2024 6:28:41 GMT -8
But he was bidding things up apparently. Don't think the difference was 2.3 mil if you account for what was offered. I watched an Angie Machado interview in which she said there was a 7 million/yr offer (going from memory) from Oregon State on the table that he walked away from. I suspect Barnes knew about the Michigan State interest and offer and that JS' agent was doing a very good job of back and forth.
Doesn't change the Pac2 to Big18 calculus (the real reason why he left IMO and the real reason why we needed him to stay).
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Post by wetrodentia on Jul 29, 2024 17:46:52 GMT -8
He got like a 2.3 million dollar a year raise to go from what ended up being the Pac-2 to the conference with the top or 2nd highest economic power in the game today. I loved living in Corvallis. I'll take 15 million dollars or whatever to live in Lubbock Texas for a few years. Actually Lubbock might require a bit more. Smells like s%#t. Again, few, if any, are arguing the upgrade in salary and conference. It’s the way he left that’s pissed people off, and he deserves all the criticism for it.
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 29, 2024 20:20:11 GMT -8
He got like a 2.3 million dollar a year raise to go from what ended up being the Pac-2 to the conference with the top or 2nd highest economic power in the game today. I loved living in Corvallis. I'll take 15 million dollars or whatever to live in Lubbock Texas for a few years. Actually Lubbock might require a bit more. Smells like s%#t. Again, few, if any, are arguing the upgrade in salary and conference. It’s the way he left that’s pissed people off, and he deserves all the criticism for it. Every fan of every team says this. I get that when you take a high profile high paying job there are requirements that rest of us don't have, but honestly what is he supposed to say? "Oh my agent is currently in contract negotiations with multiple universities, including OSU, on my behalf, we should know more soon". Would that have placated anyone, "keeping it real"? No.
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Post by beaver94 on Jul 29, 2024 20:28:07 GMT -8
Again, few, if any, are arguing the upgrade in salary and conference. It’s the way he left that’s pissed people off, and he deserves all the criticism for it. Every fan of every team says this. I get that when you take a high profile high paying job there are requirements that rest of us don't have, but honestly what is he supposed to say? "Oh my agent is currently in contract negotiations with multiple universities, including OSU, on my behalf, we should know more soon". Would that have placated anyone, "keeping it real"? No. Apparently you weren’t paying attention when he bolted, with most of the coaches, almost immediately after the duck game. With nothing more than a peace out twitter post. Leaving behind one or two that eventually joined him after helping run practices and committing with players
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 29, 2024 21:01:09 GMT -8
Every fan of every team says this. I get that when you take a high profile high paying job there are requirements that rest of us don't have, but honestly what is he supposed to say? "Oh my agent is currently in contract negotiations with multiple universities, including OSU, on my behalf, we should know more soon". Would that have placated anyone, "keeping it real"? No. Apparently you weren’t paying attention when he bolted, with most of the coaches, almost immediately after the duck game. With nothing more than a peace out twitter post. Leaving behind one or two that eventually joined him after helping run practices and committing with players So answer the question I asked? You can't. You'd have been reaching for the pitchfork and torch oil regardless of the way he'd done it.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 29, 2024 23:07:45 GMT -8
Apparently you weren’t paying attention when he bolted, with most of the coaches, almost immediately after the duck game. With nothing more than a peace out twitter post. Leaving behind one or two that eventually joined him after helping run practices and committing with players So answer the question I asked? You can't. You'd have been reaching for the pitchfork and torch oil regardless of the way he'd done it. I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though:
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Post by ee1990 on Jul 30, 2024 0:25:11 GMT -8
So answer the question I asked? You can't. You'd have been reaching for the pitchfork and torch oil regardless of the way he'd done it. I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though: It's easy to say in retrospect how someone else should have done something. And the sentiment that he should have resigned before the CW seems silly. If he'd have been "upfront" as you say, what would have been different? The team is still gutted. Coaches and players are still leaving.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jul 30, 2024 1:00:15 GMT -8
Can't wait for Johnny boy to use his analytics prowess and run a fake field goal from the 16 with your fleet footed kicker as the runner. What a freakin moron. One of the worst calls ever. Good luck msu you will need it. The fake punt against Hawai'i in 2019 was also horrendous. The call cost Oregon State a bowl game, maybe against Boston College in the 2020 Birmingham Bowl? Two of the worst calls in Oregon State history. Similarly in 2019, we went for a 4th down against ASU at home in a close 4Q game, didn't get it (not even close) but got bailed out by an entirely unnecessary PI call thanks to a bonehead play by the ASU DB. Held on to win the game at the very least and JS got away with it. I remember turning to the people around me and saying that play is just going to fuel that aggressiveness even more and cost us down the road. It didn't take long and then the WSU debacle happened, late in the 4Q with a one possession lead, run-run-run, get stuffed all 3 times then try a back shoulder fade to Hodgins on 4th down that also didn't come close to working. WSU races down the field to score and win the game and also contributed to OSU missing a bowl game.
2021 @colorado still haunts me too. But we could go down this road forever and get mad all over again... Hopefully some of that decision making left with the departing portion of the staff.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 30, 2024 7:59:37 GMT -8
So answer the question I asked? You can't. You'd have been reaching for the pitchfork and torch oil regardless of the way he'd done it. I have it on good authority that Smitty started telling people that he was going to accept the Michigan State offer almost immediately after the Washington game ended. And a large reason that the Civil War was almost completely uncompetitive was because Smitty decided to start trying to recruit coaches and players to East Lansing almost a week before. That is not the way to do it. The way that you propose is not the way either. You are presenting a false choice fallacy. If you are going to bolt, you wait until after the Civil War. Or, bare minimum, you are upfront and bolt after the Washington game. The former stings. The latter stings more. But you don't pretend that you are the head coach in the Civil War, while simultaneously poisoning team morale. That is some selfish BS that I had mistakenly thought that Smitty was better then. If the whole thing was handled with honor, I think that it would be a much easier pill to swallow. The way that it was handled was basically straight up treacherous. That stings a lot. And it would be easier to stomach, if it weren't Smitty, but it was Smitty. As a fan of the guy for the last 26 years, I thought that we deserved a lot more honor and dignity from a dude, who some guys on here probably talked about building a statue to at one point. Apparently, we deserved neither honor nor dignity. My mistake. The last 26 years was a lie. Sounds about right. Give me another 26 years (2060 is right around the corner!), and I might be able to forgive and forget. Until then, though: basically agree with you. Whenever Smith decided it would be dumb for him to stay, probably around Labor Day, he should have had this conversation with his agent: hey agent, see what is out there for me. It's got to be in the big10 or sec. Tell any interested schools I will talk to them after the regular season ends. We need to be successful at Corvallis this year and I don't want distractions. Feel free to use this as leverage with Scott Barnes. If he had done that, he would likely have a better job and he wouldn't be hated at the school he played for and resurrected after the gag disaster.
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Post by darthbeavs on Jul 30, 2024 8:32:19 GMT -8
I've considered the recent interviews with Smith and the comments others have been making for a while. My biggest rub with the whole thing is that Smith left when we needed him most. Totally his prerogative; I guess I just expected better from him. The thing that burns is that after walking away, he then took the coaches, then the players, and then the recruits.
It's like he saw a fire and decided not to help but to walk away. Then snuck back in the shadows of night and threw logs on the fire. Then some additional kindling. Then finally, he threw a cup of gasoline on it.
I know coaches do this kind of thing from time to time, but I thought perhaps Smith would be trying to make sure the program wasn't ashes after he was done because of, you know, the relationships he had with and at OSU for decades.
Turns out, he was tending the fire.
I've been disappointed, hurt, and angry about it all at once since it happened with varying degrees of amplitude. It comes in waves. I'm sure at some point I'll let it go completely, but that seems like a long way off in the future to me right now. A grudge? I don't know, maybe, but angry and hurt is angry and hurt.
Right now, today, I still feel betrayed, and he can go F himself.
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