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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 15, 2016 19:29:35 GMT -8
"... now that they have recruiting and strength conditioning back to where it was... they (Wisky) are close to where they were..."
A not so subtle jab.
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Post by blueheron on Oct 15, 2016 20:14:49 GMT -8
"... now that they have recruiting and strength conditioning back to where it was... they (Wisky) are close to where they were..." A not so subtle jab. Yeah, I caught that comment too. Interesting....
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Post by Mike84 on Oct 15, 2016 21:18:42 GMT -8
It doesn't make any real sense for that to be a jab at Gary Andersen. Yes, the Wisconsin QB today was a recent recruit but the two leading rushers, the leading receiver, and the top 3 in tackles are all juniors or seniors -- all in the classes of 2013 or 2014, which were Andersen's two classes. He only had a partial hand in the class of 2013 but the top 3 tacklers today were all directly Andersen recruits. And, given the importance he put on getting the OSU team stronger from the day he arrived in Corvallis, it seems unlikely that he had a strength or conditioning problem when at Wisconsin.
If anything, it seems like it was a not so subtle praise for the part Andersen played in getting Wisconsin's recruiting, strength, and conditioning back to "where it was".
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Post by nabeav on Oct 16, 2016 6:49:02 GMT -8
Andersen during the pregame show with Mike Parker said that he thought OSU had the "toughest offseason training program" in the nation. I have no idea how he can justify that, but he doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would coach a team where only 5 guys can squat 500 lbs.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -8
It doesn't make any real sense for that to be a jab at Gary Andersen. Yes, the Wisconsin QB today was a recent recruit but the two leading rushers, the leading receiver, and the top 3 in tackles are all juniors or seniors -- all in the classes of 2013 or 2014, which were Andersen's two classes. He only had a partial hand in the class of 2013 but the top 3 tacklers today were all directly Andersen recruits. And, given the importance he put on getting the OSU team stronger from the day he arrived in Corvallis, it seems unlikely that he had a strength or conditioning problem when at Wisconsin. If anything, it seems like it was a not so subtle praise for the part Andersen played in getting Wisconsin's recruiting, strength, and conditioning back to "where it was". There was no subtle praise going on... or logic says they would have mentioned GA by name... "continued to build what previous staff started..." But, that was NOT the intent at all. GA and his "toughest" off season program is completely in his own mind. There's verification from pundits, Wisky fans (some who posted here)... in was "good riddance" to GA and his "process" not thanks for starting us back. GA jumped ship before he was canned. He got lucky in a decent Power 5 job was open and desperately seeking. Whether he succeeds here is on the far end of the low side of the probability scale at this point. There was no praise intended AND I'm betting if watched every Wisky game since his departure you hear none. If you'd like fan opinions be my guest and go to the Wisky board and start the conversation.
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Post by rollotomasi on Oct 16, 2016 13:52:00 GMT -8
It doesn't make any real sense for that to be a jab at Gary Andersen. Yes, the Wisconsin QB today was a recent recruit but the two leading rushers, the leading receiver, and the top 3 in tackles are all juniors or seniors -- all in the classes of 2013 or 2014, which were Andersen's two classes. He only had a partial hand in the class of 2013 but the top 3 tacklers today were all directly Andersen recruits. And, given the importance he put on getting the OSU team stronger from the day he arrived in Corvallis, it seems unlikely that he had a strength or conditioning problem when at Wisconsin. If anything, it seems like it was a not so subtle praise for the part Andersen played in getting Wisconsin's recruiting, strength, and conditioning back to "where it was". There was no subtle praise going on... or logic says they would have mentioned GA by name... "continued to build what previous staff started..." But, that was NOT the intent at all. GA and his "toughest" off season program is completely in his own mind. There's verification from pundits, Wisky fans (some who posted here)... in was "good riddance" to GA and his "process" not thanks for starting us back. GA jumped ship before he was canned. He got lucky in a decent Power 5 job was open and desperately seeking. Whether he succeeds here is on the far end of the low side of the probability scale at this point. There was no praise intended AND I'm betting if watched every Wisky game since his departure you hear none. If you'd like fan opinions be my guest and go to the Wisky board and start the conversation. Did Gary steal your girlfriend? You've made your point. Repeatedly. We get it, you don't like him. Why you continue to kick a dead dog, I don't know...
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2016 13:54:05 GMT -8
There was no subtle praise going on... or logic says they would have mentioned GA by name... "continued to build what previous staff started..." But, that was NOT the intent at all. GA and his "toughest" off season program is completely in his own mind. There's verification from pundits, Wisky fans (some who posted here)... in was "good riddance" to GA and his "process" not thanks for starting us back. GA jumped ship before he was canned. He got lucky in a decent Power 5 job was open and desperately seeking. Whether he succeeds here is on the far end of the low side of the probability scale at this point. There was no praise intended AND I'm betting if watched every Wisky game since his departure you hear none. If you'd like fan opinions be my guest and go to the Wisky board and start the conversation. Did Gary steal your girlfriend? You've made your point. Repeatedly. We get it, you don't like him. Why you continue to kick a dead dog, I don't know... Did GA pass? If you don't like don't read. But, I was responding to a post not yours by the way! Go find the fridge.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 16, 2016 14:08:02 GMT -8
"... now that they have recruiting and strength conditioning back to where it was... they (Wisky) are close to where they were..." A not so subtle jab. Interestingly, if you spend any time reading other boards, one thing Nebraska fans are a huge fan of is their "renewed strength and conditioning" and how they are a strong 4th quarter team. We are not a strong 4th quarter team and it has been mentioned several times by other posters that we look generally weak. This is not an unworthy conversation. in fact, it is an important one.
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 16, 2016 14:10:06 GMT -8
(LOL,LOL,LOL)
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Post by Mike84 on Oct 16, 2016 17:19:46 GMT -8
There was no subtle praise going on... or logic says they would have mentioned GA by name... "continued to build what previous staff started..." But, that was NOT the intent at all. I was just trying to make sense of the comment. The strength and conditioning aspects are perhaps debatable but it doesn't seem to make sense to point to improved Wisconsin recruiting on a day when the top performers are 90% from the two recruiting classes when Andersen was there. The recruiting rankings for Wisconsin and the number of 4- and 5-star players has also not improved since Andersen left. So, the comment made little sense as a (logical) jab at him. Perhaps the person(s) saying it just have an already-formed opinion of Andersen and will say whatever makes them feel that the opinion is perfectly correct and justified by the facts. It wouldn't be the first time that some in the media or a fan base have done with an ex-coach or current coach.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2016 17:37:29 GMT -8
There was no subtle praise going on... or logic says they would have mentioned GA by name... "continued to build what previous staff started..." But, that was NOT the intent at all. I was just trying to make sense of the comment. The strength and conditioning aspects are perhaps debatable but it doesn't seem to make sense to point to improved Wisconsin recruiting on a day when the top performers are 90% from the two recruiting classes when Andersen was there. The recruiting rankings for Wisconsin and the number of 4- and 5-star players has also not improved since Andersen left. So, the comment made little sense as a (logical) jab at him. Perhaps the person(s) saying it just have an already-formed opinion of Andersen and will say whatever makes them feel that the opinion is perfectly correct and justified by the facts. It wouldn't be the first time that some in the media or a fan base have done with an ex-coach or current coach. That works if you take their meaning to be all about 4/5* recruits. Could be that part of the comment was more about the type of recruits that best fit "Whisky" football like the Frosh QB... etc. I doubt national broadcasters have the ex coach bias.
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 16, 2016 19:19:09 GMT -8
Our team has work to do, but the players are fighting hard, and that's a testament to GA and his staff. I'm hopeful to the future, and time will tell how our program moves forward. Here's another good quite for you GA haters.
Marianne Vydra (Interim AD) when asked about GA:
"He is inspiring," Vydra said. "He's a good man and a good leader and he knows the game. I would say this is the best football coach Oregon State has ever had in the time that I've been here."
She has been at OSU since 1992, in case you were wondering. You can take any quote and spin it how you want. How would you interpret this.
GA won 19 games at Wisconsin. Any commentator who was "bad mouthing" GA was probably spoon-fed negative stuff from Wisconsin's athletics department. It was embarrassing for them to lose GA to OSU. Remember all the negative stuff that was said about Bielema from their program when he voluntarily left Wisconsin? This was after having 11 win seasons in 2010 and 2011, and leaving after an 8 win season in 2012. Alvarez is not a gracious individual.
It's been alluded to before, Alvarez is not an easy guy to work for. There's a reason why two winning coaches have voluntarily left for "lateral positions" at best, or demotions at worst.
Also, Kudos to Nebraska for being strong in the 4th quarter against the Indiana's of the world. Sure glad they didn't have GA's off season regimen, or they surely would have lost to...Indiana.
Can all you GA haters (and you know who you are) just start your own "We hate GA thread" and be done with it? If this is the thread for that, then my apologies. I'll refrain from reading further. I'm tired of seemingly every other thread turning into this argument. Seriously, maybe Glove can make you your own board for that stuff?
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 16, 2016 20:12:20 GMT -8
Our team has work to do, but the players are fighting hard, and that's a testament to GA and his staff. I'm hopeful to the future, and time will tell how our program moves forward. Here's another good quite for you GA haters. Marianne Vydra (Interim AD) when asked about GA: "He is inspiring," Vydra said. "He's a good man and a good leader and he knows the game. I would say this is the best football coach Oregon State has ever had in the time that I've been here." She has been at OSU since 1992, in case you were wondering. You can take any quote and spin it how you want. How would you interpret this. GA won 19 games at Wisconsin. Any commentator who was "bad mouthing" GA was probably spoon-fed negative stuff from Wisconsin's athletics department. It was embarrassing for them to lose GA to OSU. Remember all the negative stuff that was said about Bielema from their program when he voluntarily left Wisconsin? This was after having 11 win seasons in 2010 and 2011, and leaving after an 8 win season in 2012. Alvarez is not a gracious individual. It's been alluded to before, Alvarez is not an easy guy to work for. There's a reason why two winning coaches have voluntarily left for "lateral positions" at best, or demotions at worst. Also, Kudos to Nebraska for being strong in the 4th quarter against the Indiana's of the world. Sure glad they didn't have GA's off season regimen, or they surely would have lost to...Indiana. Can all you GA haters (and you know who you are) just start your own "We hate GA thread" and be done with it? If this is the thread for that, then my apologies. I'll refrain from reading further. I'm tired of seemingly every other thread turning into this argument. Seriously, maybe Glove can make you your own board for that stuff? I don't understand these snide (and misplaced) comments about Nebraska and Coach Riley. It's just bizarre. If you've been paying attention, Indiana gave Ohio St fits, and has been playing tough. Like it or not, NU is 6-0 and looking good. I also disagree with whoever said we look weak late in games. I think just the opposite. Not to mention, if the O goes 3 and out repeatedly the defense naturally will wear down and look "weak". I don't buy it. Not to mention I saw the O line push Pierce over 15 yards after contact and keep pushing the likes I've personally rarely seen. That was cool.
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 16, 2016 20:27:07 GMT -8
Our team has work to do, but the players are fighting hard, and that's a testament to GA and his staff. I'm hopeful to the future, and time will tell how our program moves forward. Here's another good quite for you GA haters. Marianne Vydra (Interim AD) when asked about GA: "He is inspiring," Vydra said. "He's a good man and a good leader and he knows the game. I would say this is the best football coach Oregon State has ever had in the time that I've been here." She has been at OSU since 1992, in case you were wondering. You can take any quote and spin it how you want. How would you interpret this. GA won 19 games at Wisconsin. Any commentator who was "bad mouthing" GA was probably spoon-fed negative stuff from Wisconsin's athletics department. It was embarrassing for them to lose GA to OSU. Remember all the negative stuff that was said about Bielema from their program when he voluntarily left Wisconsin? This was after having 11 win seasons in 2010 and 2011, and leaving after an 8 win season in 2012. Alvarez is not a gracious individual. It's been alluded to before, Alvarez is not an easy guy to work for. There's a reason why two winning coaches have voluntarily left for "lateral positions" at best, or demotions at worst. Also, Kudos to Nebraska for being strong in the 4th quarter against the Indiana's of the world. Sure glad they didn't have GA's off season regimen, or they surely would have lost to...Indiana. Can all you GA haters (and you know who you are) just start your own "We hate GA thread" and be done with it? If this is the thread for that, then my apologies. I'll refrain from reading further. I'm tired of seemingly every other thread turning into this argument. Seriously, maybe Glove can make you your own board for that stuff? I don't understand these snide (and misplaced) comments about Nebraska and Coach Riley. It's just bizarre. If you've been paying attention, Indiana gave Ohio St fits, and has been playing tough. Like it or not, NU is 6-0 and looking good. I also disagree with whoever said we look weak late in games. I think just the opposite. Not to mention, if the O goes 3 and out repeatedly the defense naturally will wear down and look "weak". I don't buy it. Not to mention I saw the O line push Pierce over 15 yards after contact and keep pushing the likes I've personally rarely seen. That was cool. I have nothing against Riley or NU. I hope they both win a lot of games, as long as it doesn't come against the Beavs! I think it's just lame to compare GA to Riley, particularly when it comes to conditioning. I haven't seen any evidence of lack of conditioning from GA's staff, and nothing to say that Riley's program is in any way superior. I'm not sure where the whole thing with only 5 guys who could squat 500 lbs. under Riley came in, but if that's true, that's really the only measurable we have.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2016 20:59:04 GMT -8
So... seems BB is doing quite well at his stop in a rather tough conference. So if the logic of the "cupboard was bare" gives GA his needed time frame to recruit his guys. Then same thought process means 19 wins were with BBs players?!
So how many years till we have 19 wins?
As for the big "close"... "Marianne Vydra (Interim AD) when asked about GA:
"He is inspiring," Vydra said. "He's a good man and a good leader and he knows the game. I would say this is the best football coach Oregon State has ever had in the time that I've been here."
Hmmmm... like Marianne has spent a lot of time with GA? Lol... the last part sounds like politics. Maybe wants support for AD job. Cuz anyone in the ADs office that would say that after 1+ years compared to MRs tenure and reputation on campus loses all credibility.
Sorry you think people who disagree belong on a separate board. Maybe you need to read your own post! As you then bring up MR in a demeaning way and yet that seems appropriate in complete contrast to your complaint?
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