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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 18, 2024 19:41:25 GMT -8
I think you missed on the Freddy Kruegerness of it all lol I did not actually.....one, two, Freddy comin for you! It was the peeing Tom remark OH man, missed the second p lolol |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 18, 2024 21:59:16 GMT -8
We can all point the finger at someone but at the end of the day pitchers need to their job. Guys need to compete! I think thats my biggest thing with the bullpen there's only a coupe guys who pitch with an edge. Need those other guys to step up and pitch with confidence.
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Post by messi on Apr 19, 2024 20:13:39 GMT -8
Dorman needs to get the entire pitching staff together, because there is a staff wide problem going on right now.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 19, 2024 20:28:30 GMT -8
This is nuts. I went through archives and there hasn't been more than 1 team with a team era under 3 since 2018 when there was 3. Wtf has happened to pitching?
Last team under 2 was the 2017 Beavs. 5 teams under 3 that year.
7 under 3 in 2016 not including the two 3.01.
2015? 17 under 3.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Apr 22, 2024 9:01:17 GMT -8
This is nuts. I went through archives and there hasn't been more than 1 team with a team era under 3 since 2018 when there was 3. Wtf has happened to pitching? Last team under 2 was the 2017 Beavs. 5 teams under 3 that year. 7 under 3 in 2016 not including the two 3.01. 2015? 17 under 3. Definitely seems to be a lot more 13-11 type scores than I remember in years past. That hole/Furd series there were lots of crooked numbers. Our squad definitely is geared toward hitting. Hairline is a perfect example. Not a great defensive SS, but he can hit bombs. We have big arms. Everyone throws hard. But D1 hitters can hit mid 90's, especially if your secondary stuff isn't dialed. We need more Nickerson/Moore type guys.....Hunter was that guy before he got hurt. Personally, I prefer our teams that were built on defense, and pitching. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 22, 2024 11:08:54 GMT -8
This is nuts. I went through archives and there hasn't been more than 1 team with a team era under 3 since 2018 when there was 3. Wtf has happened to pitching? Last team under 2 was the 2017 Beavs. 5 teams under 3 that year. 7 under 3 in 2016 not including the two 3.01. 2015? 17 under 3. Definitely seems to be a lot more 13-11 type scores than I remember in years past. That hole/Furd series there were lots of crooked numbers. Our squad definitely is geared toward hitting. Hairline is a perfect example. Not a great defensive SS, but he can hit bombs. We have big arms. Everyone throws hard. But D1 hitters can hit mid 90's, especially if your secondary stuff isn't dialed. We need more Nickerson/Moore type guys.....Hunter was that guy before he got hurt. Personally, I prefer our teams that were built on defense, and pitching. Don't see alot of contact style pitching anywhere these days. I do agree that the defense needs to be better. Good OSU teams usually had less than 50 errors in the regular season. We already have 45 and if it doesn't clean up will finish the season averaging over an error per game. Maybe Wilky has a quick way to check but I don't think 60+ errors in a season correlates to good results and we are going to have that before conference play ends. Errors hurt for obvious reasons but they also affect pitching. If you induce contact and the defense flubs it multiple times you are going to feel alot more pressure to get strikes. That constricts your workable zone. It also blows your confidence to s%#t. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 22, 2024 11:25:23 GMT -8
Friends and I were just talking about this the other day. Who was our last OSU developed Friday Night Starter? Why do we have Frosh starting on Sun.? Now it looks like we are going to have to a Magic Pitcher (KA) to be successful. Hjerpe. 2 years ago. He was pretty good, |
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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 22, 2024 11:35:54 GMT -8
Some falls on Dorman but not all of it. you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken poop.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 22, 2024 12:40:57 GMT -8
Some falls on Dorman but not all of it. you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Yet who is responsible for signing said "poop"?? |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 22, 2024 13:17:55 GMT -8
Some falls on Dorman but not all of it. you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken poop. Yet who is responsible for signing said "poop"?? I don't know of any sure things when it comes to recruiting. Talent, potential, injuries, work ethic, adjusting to entirely new levels of pressure, etc.. can all figure into it. What I do know is, on Friday a combined 90 runs were scored in P12 games, 99 on Saturday, and only 77 on Sunday. Makes little sense from a historical perspective. Look at Washington they lead the conference in fielding % and are in top 3 for normally "telling" pitching stats. Yet they have a .333 conference win % (.394% overall). |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 22, 2024 14:59:35 GMT -8
Yet who is responsible for signing said "poop"?? I don't know of any sure things when it comes to recruiting. Talent, potential, injuries, work ethic, adjusting to entirely new levels of pressure, etc.. can all figure into it. What I do know is, on Friday a combined 90 runs were scored in P12 games, 99 on Saturday, and only 77 on Sunday. Makes little sense from a historical perspective. Look at Washington they lead the conference in fielding % and are in top 3 for normally "telling" pitching stats. Yet they have a .333 conference win % (.394% overall). My comment wasn't in regards to the " hit & miss" of recruiting. But, to the OP's comment on development of talent. Not everyone will be "chicken salad", but you best be able to recruit and develop to not have any (or very very few) "chicken poop". Staff had all Fall to evaluate and develop before setting a roster. I only meant it falls on the staff. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 22, 2024 15:11:42 GMT -8
Definitely seems to be a lot more 13-11 type scores than I remember in years past. That hole/Furd series there were lots of crooked numbers. Our squad definitely is geared toward hitting. Hairline is a perfect example. Not a great defensive SS, but he can hit bombs. We have big arms. Everyone throws hard. But D1 hitters can hit mid 90's, especially if your secondary stuff isn't dialed. We need more Nickerson/Moore type guys.....Hunter was that guy before he got hurt. Personally, I prefer our teams that were built on defense, and pitching. Don't see alot of contact style pitching anywhere these days. I do agree that the defense needs to be better. Good OSU teams usually had less than 50 errors in the regular season. We already have 45 and if it doesn't clean up will finish the season averaging over an error per game. Maybe Wilky has a quick way to check but I don't think 60+ errors in a season correlates to good results and we are going to have that before conference play ends. Errors hurt for obvious reasons but they also affect pitching. If you induce contact and the defense flubs it multiple times you are going to feel alot more pressure to get strikes. That constricts your workable zone. It also blows your confidence to s%#t. Define "good." Errors at the end of the regular season: 2005 54
2006 55
2007 46
2008 52
2009 48
2010 58
2011 61
2012 53
2013 63
2014 47
2015 50
2016 59
2017 45
2018 42
2019 44
2021 352022 23
2023 362006 pretty good? 2013 pretty good? How about errors between games 39 & 40: 2005 482006 452007 312008 422009 372010 442011 402012 452013 462014 312015 362016 452017 342018 352019 322021 222022 172023 27
2024 45
Oregon State is in the exact same spot as 2006 in errors. One fewer error than 2013. And three fewer errors than 2005.
At this point, it is much more of a function of what happens after today than what has happened before today. 21 errors to finish the regular season derailed 2011. 2013 was able to hold it together even after committing 17 more errors to finish off the regular season. And errors were not the issue at the end of the 2013 season. 2018 started to look like champions at the end of the season with only seven errors after game 39. 2006 had 10 errors. 2007 posted 15 errors over the final 16 games as the season looked like it might implode. |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 22, 2024 15:15:51 GMT -8
Don't see alot of contact style pitching anywhere these days. I do agree that the defense needs to be better. Good OSU teams usually had less than 50 errors in the regular season. We already have 45 and if it doesn't clean up will finish the season averaging over an error per game. Maybe Wilky has a quick way to check but I don't think 60+ errors in a season correlates to good results and we are going to have that before conference play ends. Errors hurt for obvious reasons but they also affect pitching. If you induce contact and the defense flubs it multiple times you are going to feel alot more pressure to get strikes. That constricts your workable zone. It also blows your confidence to s%#t. Define "good." Errors at the end of the regular season: 2005 54
2006 55
2007 46
2008 52
2009 48
2010 58
2011 61
2012 53
2013 63
2014 47
2015 50
2016 59
2017 45
2018 42
2019 44
2021 352022 23
2023 362006 pretty good? 2013 pretty good? How about errors between games 39 & 40: 2005 482006 452007 312008 422009 372010 442011 402012 452013 462014 312015 362016 452017 342018 352019 322021 222022 172023 27
2024 45
Oregon State is in the exact same spot as 2006 in errors. One fewer error than 2013. And three fewer errors than 2005.
At this point, it is much more of a function of what happens after today than what has happened before today. 21 errors to finish the regular season derailed 2011. 2013 was able to hold it together even after committing 17 more errors to finish off the regular season. And errors were not the issue at the end of the 2013 season. 2018 started to look like champions at the end of the season with only seven errors after game 39. 2006 had 10 errors. 2007 posted 15 errors over the final 16 games as the season looked like it might implode. Good stuff here Wilky. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Apr 22, 2024 15:23:34 GMT -8
I don't know of any sure things when it comes to recruiting. Talent, potential, injuries, work ethic, adjusting to entirely new levels of pressure, etc.. can all figure into it. What I do know is, on Friday a combined 90 runs were scored in P12 games, 99 on Saturday, and only 77 on Sunday. Makes little sense from a historical perspective. Look at Washington they lead the conference in fielding % and are in top 3 for normally "telling" pitching stats. Yet they have a .333 conference win % (.394% overall). My comment wasn't in regards to the " hit & miss" of recruiting. But, to the OP's comment on development of talent. Not everyone will be "chicken salad", but you best be able to recruit and develop to not have any (or very very few) "chicken poop". Staff had all Fall to evaluate and develop before setting a roster. I only meant it falls on the staff. I get that and was pointing out how different the game seems to be this year in regard to pitching dominance. I also wonder if we are pitching based on the hitters tendencies or based on the pitchers strengths (whch can change on any given night, CB not curving, can't locate a slider etc). In other words, are we calling pitches based off of the particular batter or based off what are guy can throw effectively? |
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Post by beaverinsider211 on Apr 22, 2024 15:28:57 GMT -8
Wilky can we get some comparisons amongst the pitching staffs as well going back to 2005? More specifically can we look at the statistics of the bullpen?
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