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Post by blodgettbeaver on Apr 17, 2024 20:42:36 GMT -8
Educate me on what his strengths are from his time here.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 17, 2024 20:51:23 GMT -8
Educate me on what his strengths are from his time here. Yeskie > Dorman |
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Post by richard44 on Apr 17, 2024 20:58:44 GMT -8
I like Dorman, and I think we have recruited pretty well during his tenure. We have also had some stud pitchers during his time, especially Hjerpe. But I liked Yeske better, with that being said, that might just be because we won a national title with him in that position. Tough to beat that.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 17, 2024 20:58:51 GMT -8
Educate me on what his strengths are from his time here. Yeskie > Dorman Because I'm bias, and I think he did more with less in the era that put OSU on the map... Spencer > Yeskie > Dorman But, just my biased opinion. |
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Post by richard44 on Apr 17, 2024 20:59:52 GMT -8
Because I'm bias, and I think he did more work less in the era that put OSU on the map... Spencer > Yeskie > Dorman But, just my biased opinion. I agree. |
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Post by badwack on Apr 18, 2024 3:53:26 GMT -8
Friends and I were just talking about this the other day. Who was our last OSU developed Friday Night Starter? Why do we have Frosh starting on Sun.?
Now it looks like we are going to have to a Magic Pitcher (KA) to be successful.
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Post by adm93 on Apr 18, 2024 5:23:22 GMT -8
I think you guys are overreacting a bit here. Sure, the staff has had some issues, but so does every teams. But I believe Dorman has done a really solid job.
Dorman brought in Holmes who has been lock down with the exception of last night. He’s helped develop Kmatz into a very reliable starter. Aidan May went from having a 6.33 Era with Arizona and has dropped that to a 3.37 this year and has been a very good #1. He also brought in an elite freshman recruiting class (unfortunately many of them have just been hurt)
We still have a team ERA that is top 15 in the country and a team WHIP that is top 30. Which are exceptional numbers when you consider our elite offense to go along with it, as well as the amount of injuries our staff has dealt with throughout the season.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 18, 2024 5:42:15 GMT -8
I think you guys are overreacting a bit here. Sure, the staff has had some issues, but so does every teams. But I believe Dorman has done a really solid job. Dorman brought in Holmes who has been lock down with the exception of last night. He’s helped develop Kmatz into a very reliable starter. Aidan May went from having a 6.33 Era with Arizona and has dropped that to a 3.37 this year and has been a very good #1. He also brought in an elite freshman recruiting class (unfortunately many of them have just been hurt) We still have a team ERA that is top 15 in the country and a team WHIP that is top 30. Which are exceptional numbers when you consider our elite offense to go along with it, as well as the amount of injuries our staff has dealt with throughout the season. Yeah I don't think comparing pitching or hitting year to year of your own squad is great. Nationally pitching is on a down swing and hitting g is on an upswing. Idk if it's equipment, approach, S & C or what. Just observationally the zones are tighter (meaning batters are more patient) and breaking stuff is less effective. The most effective pitchers seem to be guys with great location and speed control (shocking I know). Our 1.34 WHIP has us ranked at 23. 1.25 is the normal cut off for 'good' which only 10 teams qualify as. There is 38 pitchers, with qualifying IP, with a WHIP under 1.00. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 18, 2024 5:42:36 GMT -8
I have little faith in our pitching staff including the coach. Few teams score ten runs and lose. We've done it twice in the last 4 days. And nevada is a terrible team. A top ten team should never lose to them.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 18, 2024 5:44:33 GMT -8
I have little faith in our pitching staff including the coach. Few teams score ten runs and lose. We've done it twice in the last 4 days. And nevada is a terrible team. A top ten should never lose to them. You may want to do some data check in that. Theres multiple teams losing scoring 10 runs every week. There was at least 3 yesterday and at least 7 who scored 9 or more and lost. Traditionally a ranked team on a Friday gives up 4 or less runs. It makes sense as you are usually pitching an Ace and some stud relief. 7 of the ranked teams gave up 4 or more runs with their Ace last weekend. |
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Post by richard44 on Apr 18, 2024 5:52:16 GMT -8
I think you guys are overreacting a bit here. Sure, the staff has had some issues, but so does every teams. But I believe Dorman has done a really solid job. Dorman brought in Holmes who has been lock down with the exception of last night. He’s helped develop Kmatz into a very reliable starter. Aidan May went from having a 6.33 Era with Arizona and has dropped that to a 3.37 this year and has been a very good #1. He also brought in an elite freshman recruiting class (unfortunately many of them have just been hurt) We still have a team ERA that is top 15 in the country and a team WHIP that is top 30. Which are exceptional numbers when you consider our elite offense to go along with it, as well as the amount of injuries our staff has dealt with throughout the season. Ya, I’m not willing to bash Dorman. He is very well respected in the sport, and I’m pretty sure during his tenure we have finished near the top of many pitching categories in the conference almost every year. The development of Kmatz has been impressive, just look at his numbers this year compared to the last two. Hjerpe as well. In addition, we have pretty consistently recruited very well during his time here. Now, that’s a whole staff approach, but he is a big part of that. Just in hearing him talk in interviews over the years, I also just like his personality. I’d like to play for him as a player. Lastly, to be completely honest, outside of 2020 where nobody made the postseason, we have been a postseason team every single season, while being a top 10 team twice (2022 and 2024). Obviously still a lot of games left this year, but I think we definitely finish top 16 by the end of the year and host for a third time. In saying all that, it’s hard to follow national champion pitching coaches like Spencer and Yeskie. You basically have to win a title to live up to expectations. Outside of that, the only thing Dorman hasn’t done is make it to Omaha with us. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 18, 2024 5:56:59 GMT -8
I think you guys are overreacting a bit here. Sure, the staff has had some issues, but so does every teams. But I believe Dorman has done a really solid job. Dorman brought in Holmes who has been lock down with the exception of last night. He’s helped develop Kmatz into a very reliable starter. Aidan May went from having a 6.33 Era with Arizona and has dropped that to a 3.37 this year and has been a very good #1. He also brought in an elite freshman recruiting class (unfortunately many of them have just been hurt) We still have a team ERA that is top 15 in the country and a team WHIP that is top 30. Which are exceptional numbers when you consider our elite offense to go along with it, as well as the amount of injuries our staff has dealt with throughout the season. Ya, I’m not willing to bash Dorman. He is very well respected in the sport, and I’m pretty sure during his tenure we have finished near the top of many pitching categories in the conference almost every year. The development of Kmatz has been impressive, just look at his numbers this year compared to the last two. Hjerpe as well. In addition, we have pretty consistently recruited very well during his time here. Now, that’s a whole staff approach, but he is a big part of that. Just in hearing him talk in interviews over the years, I also just like his personality. I’d like to play for him as a player. Lastly, to be completely honest, outside of 2020 where nobody made the postseason, we have been a postseason team every single season, while being a top 10 team twice (2022 and 2024). Obviously still a lot of games left this year, but I think we definitely finish top 16 by the end of the year and host for a third time. In saying all that, it’s hard to follow national champion pitching coaches like Spencer and Yeskie. You basically have to win a title to live up to expectations. Outside of that, the only thing Dorman hasn’t done is make it to Omaha with us. To me Dormans biggest weakness is a common one among coaches. All coaches have a system and goals that may not fit every athlete. Dormans approach seems to be highly reliant on low zone and inside zone pitching. Obviously both of those are great if you pull them off. That said we have some guys who never have the location ability to pitch that way or it can be a tough transition from surgery or transferring. Our pitchers under Dorman hit a lot of batters and seem to give up homers at a decent clip year to year. Sometimes it just seems like he's asking guys to locate in a way they aren't ready for. Square pegs and all that. His next would be timing of pulling pitchers. We never know the full story but if you look at those decisions in terms of winning that single game he can be baffling. |
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Post by irimi on Apr 18, 2024 7:48:44 GMT -8
You guys are a bit nuts.
We're sitting at 30 wins and 6 losses, and you want to get rid of the pitching coach? You sound a bit like Ohio State football fans wanting to fire Ryan Day.
Yes, nearly every loss has been ugly. It appears that we lull ourselves to sleep, and we don't finish strongly. I think that's a bit of overconfidence and lack of mental toughness all the way around. After scoring 7 in the 4th, we switched gears from attacking to playing prevent defense. If you can't pin your opponent down, they're likely to chip away at you until you are down.
Blame the pitchers, sure. But don't forget the rest of the team that fell asleep at the wheel.
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Post by irimi on Apr 18, 2024 7:50:52 GMT -8
Ya, I’m not willing to bash Dorman. He is very well respected in the sport, and I’m pretty sure during his tenure we have finished near the top of many pitching categories in the conference almost every year. The development of Kmatz has been impressive, just look at his numbers this year compared to the last two. Hjerpe as well. In addition, we have pretty consistently recruited very well during his time here. Now, that’s a whole staff approach, but he is a big part of that. Just in hearing him talk in interviews over the years, I also just like his personality. I’d like to play for him as a player. Lastly, to be completely honest, outside of 2020 where nobody made the postseason, we have been a postseason team every single season, while being a top 10 team twice (2022 and 2024). Obviously still a lot of games left this year, but I think we definitely finish top 16 by the end of the year and host for a third time. In saying all that, it’s hard to follow national champion pitching coaches like Spencer and Yeskie. You basically have to win a title to live up to expectations. Outside of that, the only thing Dorman hasn’t done is make it to Omaha with us. To me Dormans biggest weakness is a common one among coaches. All coaches have a system and goals that may not fit every athlete. Dormans approach seems to be highly reliant on low zone and inside zone pitching. Obviously both of those are great if you pull them off. That said we have some guys who never have the location ability to pitch that way or it can be a tough transition from surgery or transferring. Our pitchers under Dorman hit a lot of batters and seem to give up homers at a decent clip year to year. Sometimes it just seems like he's asking guys to locate in a way they aren't ready for. Square pegs and all that. His next would be timing of pulling pitchers. We never know the full story but if you look at those decisions in terms of winning that single game he can be baffling. I didn't like him pulling Mundt last night. Easy to say in hindsight, but I felt Mundt was the experienced arm we needed in there to calm things down. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Apr 18, 2024 7:57:03 GMT -8
To me Dormans biggest weakness is a common one among coaches. All coaches have a system and goals that may not fit every athlete. Dormans approach seems to be highly reliant on low zone and inside zone pitching. Obviously both of those are great if you pull them off. That said we have some guys who never have the location ability to pitch that way or it can be a tough transition from surgery or transferring. Our pitchers under Dorman hit a lot of batters and seem to give up homers at a decent clip year to year. Sometimes it just seems like he's asking guys to locate in a way they aren't ready for. Square pegs and all that. His next would be timing of pulling pitchers. We never know the full story but if you look at those decisions in terms of winning that single game he can be baffling. I didn't like him pulling Mundt last night. Easy to say in hindsight, but I felt Mundt was the experienced arm we needed in there to calm things down. Yeah, we just never have the context to fully understand unless they tell us in an interview. Mundt is going to be used on the weekend so he may have been on pitch count or something. Sometimes pitchers have metrics the coaches are watching to see if they are going to start getting shelled. For instance they may be locating high or velo is down which means they are not on it that day. This coaching staff obviously takes a longer view on injuries and fatigue so maybe theres some of that going on. At the end of the day if you judge Dorman against his contemporaries at this time hes pretty solid. |
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