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Post by highincascadia on Feb 9, 2024 10:14:30 GMT -8
[Vannini] The agreement between Oregon State, Washington State and the Mountain West Conference requires all MWC member schools to be invited to the future PAC. “The survival and protection of the league was a priority, we wanted to make sure what happened to the Pac-12 didn’t happen to us.” theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/Interesting article. MWC definitely has competent leadership. For us, temporary footing for a steep cost of inviting all MWC schools. Don’t like where this is headed for us.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 9, 2024 10:47:52 GMT -8
[Vannini] The agreement between Oregon State, Washington State and the Mountain West Conference requires all MWC member schools to be invited to the future PAC. “The survival and protection of the league was a priority, we wanted to make sure what happened to the Pac-12 didn’t happen to us.” theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/Interesting article. MWC definitely has competent leadership. For us, temporary footing for a steep cost of inviting all MWC schools. Don’t like where this is headed for us. Actually it's the cheapest option. Forming a league with selected members of the MWC would be far, far more expensive. We would be the fifth-best league in college football. Same status as we generally enjoyed in the Pac-12. Not saying I am totally in favor. Maybe one will emerge in the next two years, but I have yet to see a better alternative.
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Post by jimbeav on Feb 9, 2024 10:52:23 GMT -8
It also says there's a sliding scale of penalties for only poaching some teams. And we might be willing to pay that.
I think it all comes down to how much of a warchest we really have in the remnants of the Pac-12. Ultimately it will come down to numbers and budget; if we can allocate $200mil to rebuilding the conference, and we can get the 6 "best" MWC teams for that, then it might be worth pulling the trigger.
More interesting to me is the quote from Barnes where he confirms that it's preferable to join an existing P4 conference, and rebuilding the PAC is their 2nd choice. Been lots of debate on here about what our priorities or preference are, and this seems to go against what many here have assumed we want to do.
In reality, I think everything is in a holding pattern until this FSU/ACC mess gets farther along in its implosion...
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Post by p8nted on Feb 9, 2024 11:22:55 GMT -8
It also says there's a sliding scale of penalties for only poaching some teams. And we might be willing to pay that. I think it all comes down to how much of a warchest we really have in the remnants of the Pac-12. Ultimately it will come down to numbers and budget; if we can allocate $200mil to rebuilding the conference, and we can get the 6 "best" MWC teams for that, then it might be worth pulling the trigger. More interesting to me is the quote from Barnes where he confirms that it's preferable to join an existing P4 conference, and rebuilding the PAC is their 2nd choice. Been lots of debate on here about what our priorities or preference are, and this seems to go against what many here have assumed we want to do. In reality, I think everything is in a holding pattern until this FSU/ACC mess gets farther along in its implosion... Perhaps. But given the big cut in media revenue from even a rebuilt Pac, I suspect that any money in the PAC coffers has better uses than paying exit fees and penalties. WSU is deep in debt.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 9, 2024 13:51:17 GMT -8
It also says there's a sliding scale of penalties for only poaching some teams. And we might be willing to pay that. I think it all comes down to how much of a warchest we really have in the remnants of the Pac-12. Ultimately it will come down to numbers and budget; if we can allocate $200mil to rebuilding the conference, and we can get the 6 "best" MWC teams for that, then it might be worth pulling the trigger. More interesting to me is the quote from Barnes where he confirms that it's preferable to join an existing P4 conference, and rebuilding the PAC is their 2nd choice. Been lots of debate on here about what our priorities or preference are, and this seems to go against what many here have assumed we want to do. In reality, I think everything is in a holding pattern until this FSU/ACC mess gets farther along in its implosion... Perhaps. But given the big cut in media revenue from even a rebuilt Pac, I suspect that any money in the PAC coffers has better uses than paying exit fees and penalties. WSU is deep in debt. Totally agree. Paying millions of dollars that could be used for program(s) develop for exit fees is a total waste.
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Post by grayman on Feb 9, 2024 14:49:35 GMT -8
It also says there's a sliding scale of penalties for only poaching some teams. And we might be willing to pay that. I think it all comes down to how much of a warchest we really have in the remnants of the Pac-12. Ultimately it will come down to numbers and budget; if we can allocate $200mil to rebuilding the conference, and we can get the 6 "best" MWC teams for that, then it might be worth pulling the trigger. More interesting to me is the quote from Barnes where he confirms that it's preferable to join an existing P4 conference, and rebuilding the PAC is their 2nd choice. Been lots of debate on here about what our priorities or preference are, and this seems to go against what many here have assumed we want to do. In reality, I think everything is in a holding pattern until this FSU/ACC mess gets farther along in its implosion... I'm shocked that Barnes would say something like this. Shocked, I tell you. LOL
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Post by highincascadia on Feb 9, 2024 16:25:47 GMT -8
I think the older poster is right about waiting out the ACC/FSU drama. See where the chips lie then. But I would consider it a complete downgrade if we were paired up with Utah State/Colorado State/New Mexico. I really love the MWC, but at that point we might as well try to run with the NDSUs of the world.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 9, 2024 20:10:41 GMT -8
I think the older poster is right about waiting out the ACC/FSU drama. See where the chips lie then. But I would consider it a complete downgrade if we were paired up with Utah State/Colorado State/New Mexico. I really love the MWC, but at that point we might as well try to run with the NDSUs of the world. Colorado State does not really belong with the other two. I am personally a fan of each of the schools of the Mountain West. It is a great conference with lots of great teams. It is sad that there are not more eyeballs to watch the games out West. Otherwise, I would be perfectly happy to invite 9+ teams to join up with in a new Pac-12.
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Post by aggielarry on Feb 12, 2024 21:38:27 GMT -8
I think the older poster is right about waiting out the ACC/FSU drama. See where the chips lie then. But I would consider it a complete downgrade if we were paired up with Utah State/Colorado State/New Mexico. I really love the MWC, but at that point we might as well try to run with the NDSUs of the world. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm genuinely trying to understand your point of view, and I understand that moving from the old P5 PAC-12 to a merged PAC-2 / MWC doesn't just seem like a downgrade, it is a downgrade, but is there a particular reason you single out those three schools? From a MWC insider's perspective, those three are very different, in multiple ways.
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Post by aggielarry on Feb 12, 2024 21:42:45 GMT -8
I think the older poster is right about waiting out the ACC/FSU drama. See where the chips lie then. But I would consider it a complete downgrade if we were paired up with Utah State/Colorado State/New Mexico. I really love the MWC, but at that point we might as well try to run with the NDSUs of the world. Colorado State does not really belong with the other two. I am personally a fan of each of the schools of the Mountain West. It is a great conference with lots of great teams. It is sad that there are not more eyeballs to watch the games out West. Otherwise, I would be perfectly happy to invite 9+ teams to join up with in a new Pac-12. As with the previous post, and as a MWC insider, I'm trying to understand the outsider's perspective on the teams. To me, those three schools are each different in different ways. I don't think I could put any two of them together in any consistent fashion. Could you elaborate for me? Why do you identify Colorado State as the outlier?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 12, 2024 22:07:43 GMT -8
Colorado State does not really belong with the other two. I am personally a fan of each of the schools of the Mountain West. It is a great conference with lots of great teams. It is sad that there are not more eyeballs to watch the games out West. Otherwise, I would be perfectly happy to invite 9+ teams to join up with in a new Pac-12. As with the previous post, and as a MWC insider, I'm trying to understand the outsider's perspective on the teams. To me, those three schools are each different in different ways. I don't think I could put any two of them together in any consistent fashion. Could you elaborate for me? Why do you identify Colorado State as the outlier? Colorado State is one of the most sought-after teams in the Mountain West. San Diego State is first. Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, and UNLV are generally second through fifth in some order, depending on what you focus on. Colorado State is the best academic school in the Mountain West, and, hopefully, that still means something. Air Force or New Mexico are probably the second-best academic universities in the Mountain West in some order. I personally am a big fan of adding New Mexico, if the money works out. I like Utah State, the State of Utah is gorgeous. The Wasatch Mountains are visually stunning. I like the area. Still, unless Utah State can compete with BYU and Utah for eyeballs, I am not sure that the numbers work out. All told, I would rather add all 10 Mountain West teams to make a 14+ team conference. I just do not know that that is actually in the reformulated Pac-12's best interest. We'll see.
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Post by irimi on Feb 13, 2024 6:19:18 GMT -8
[Vannini] The agreement between Oregon State, Washington State and the Mountain West Conference requires all MWC member schools to be invited to the future PAC. “The survival and protection of the league was a priority, we wanted to make sure what happened to the Pac-12 didn’t happen to us.” theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/Interesting article. MWC definitely has competent leadership. For us, temporary footing for a steep cost of inviting all MWC schools. Don’t like where this is headed for us. It seems odd to me that the shrewd lawyers who brought down the traitorous ten would allow us to get handcuffed into such a deal.
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Post by bvrbred on Feb 13, 2024 7:28:34 GMT -8
I don't think Barnes needed lawyers to understand the consequences of the deal he made. He handcuffed us to the MWC and in return we got a schedule set up. At the same time Barnes seems to be saying getting handcuffed to the MWC permanently is our least desired option. Finding open dates for games with desirable opponents must be very difficult.
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 13, 2024 8:39:15 GMT -8
As with the previous post, and as a MWC insider, I'm trying to understand the outsider's perspective on the teams. To me, those three schools are each different in different ways. I don't think I could put any two of them together in any consistent fashion. Could you elaborate for me? Why do you identify Colorado State as the outlier? Colorado State is one of the most sought-after teams in the Mountain West. San Diego State is first. Boise, Colorado State, Fresno, and UNLV are generally second through fifth in some order, depending on what you focus on. Colorado State is the best academic school in the Mountain West, and, hopefully, that still means something. Air Force or New Mexico are probably the second-best academic universities in the Mountain West in some order. I personally am a big fan of adding New Mexico, if the money works out. I like Utah State, the State of Utah is gorgeous. The Wasatch Mountains are visually stunning. I like the area. Still, unless Utah State can compete with BYU and Utah for eyeballs, I am not sure that the numbers work out. All told, I would rather add all 10 Mountain West teams to make a 14+ team conference. I just do not know that that is actually in the reformulated Pac-12's best interest. We'll see. Hey Wilky, no way on this one. I promise you an AF degree carries exponentially more weight (in general, there may a field or 2 nod to CSU) than a CSU degree. That's not a knock on CSU. (Yes, I have a cadet there and may have a little pride/skin in the game)
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 13, 2024 14:09:27 GMT -8
[Vannini] The agreement between Oregon State, Washington State and the Mountain West Conference requires all MWC member schools to be invited to the future PAC. “The survival and protection of the league was a priority, we wanted to make sure what happened to the Pac-12 didn’t happen to us.” theathletic.com/5257005/2024/02/08/mountain-west-oregon-state-wazzu-pac-12/Interesting article. MWC definitely has competent leadership. For us, temporary footing for a steep cost of inviting all MWC schools. Don’t like where this is headed for us. It seems odd to me that the shrewd lawyers who brought down the traitorous ten would allow us to get handcuffed into such a deal. Some of the greatest contract attorneys make awful litigators. And some of the greatest litigators make awful contract attorneys. Oversimplifying but contract attorneys have to build something beautiful for the clients' benefit that will stand the test of time. And, if that fails, the litigators come in to knock it down at the end. Like talking about sprinters making good distance runners and vice versa. Lots of different areas and facets of law. If we did get bad advice from the contract attorneys, hopefully, the litigators that we hired for the Pullman action can come back in to knock it down again, like they did last time.
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