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Post by atownbeaver on Mar 1, 2024 21:47:51 GMT -8
SDSU is hamstrung academically by being in the CSU system instead of the UC system. CSU schools are not chartered as graduate/research/professional schools. They're "job" is undergraduate education, just like the SUNYAC colleges (Potsdam, Oswego, Geneseo, Buff State, Fredonia, Brockport, et all) in New York State. Graduate/professional/research is for the SUNY schools (Buffalo, Binghamton, New Paltz, Albany, Stony Brook). Same issue with San Jose State... narrow focus, "designed" to be undergrad and technical schools, and are late to the game in graduate school offerings. At the high level, not really an overall impressive university, but they are highly thought of for their bread and butter of tech training for silicon valley. Lots of odd similarities on our our state managed programs between Oregon and Oregon State in the 1970s. |
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Post by aggielarry on Mar 2, 2024 15:36:12 GMT -8
It's both simpler, and more complicated than that. Total students: USU 29,968 SDSU 37, 539 Doctoral programs: USU 39 SDSU 30 (SDSU includes DPT, AuD, JD, and DNP) Endowment: USU $583.4 Million SDSU $380.1 Million Research budget: USU $390.7 Million SDSU $192.2 Million USU, with 20% fewer students, has more doctoral programs, more research budget, and a bigger endowment. Additionally, California higher ed is deliberately structured to make the "Cal State" schools a lower tier than "University of California at...". They are institutionally hamstrung. All those "lesser known" Cal schools are UC at... That's why they're all R1, and SDSU isn't. That was one of the reasons Cal and UCLA would NEVER have accepted SDSU or Fresno State into the PAC. Again, I'm mystified at people's perception of SDSU. They're not bad. They're just not all that great. Oregon State University: 7 Forestry
8 Marine Engineering
9 Firefighting & Fire Science & Wildlife & Fisheries Management & Conservation
13 Horticulture & Oceanography
19 Agricultural Engineering
20 Agricultural Science
21 Nutrition & Food Science & Zoology
23 Ecology
24 Botany, Geotechnical Engineering, & Toxicology
26 Animal Science, Construction Management & Sensing, & Remote Sensing
27 Entomology
28 Environmental Chemistry & Management & Hydrology & Water Resources Management
31 Agricultural Economics & Petrology & Geochemistry
32 Geology & Nuclear Engineering
33 Meteorology & Atmospheric Science
35 Environmental Economics
37 Renewable Energy Engineering
42 Paleontology
44 Environmental Engineering
45 Geography & Cartography
46 Animation & Veterinary Medicine
48 Radiochemistry
49 Astrobiology
50 Engineering Management & Human-Computer Interaction
San Diego State:
8 Sports/Exercise Science
40 Military Science
41 Graphic Design
43 Organizational/Business/IO Psychology
45 Sports Medicine
Utah State:
16 Hydrology & Water Resource Management
22 Landscape Architecture
28 Forestry & Interior Design
30 Agricultural Engineering & Early Childhood Education
33 Graphic Design
36 Agricultural Science
42 Special Education
43 Animal Science
44 Horticulture
47 Nutrition & Food Science
Even if you take it out to Top 100 programs, I think that Utah State still beats San Diego State. It is also weird, because I looked at several global ranking services, and San Diego State is always ranked higher. Maybe San Diego State offers more top 200 programs?
So, I am kind of with you. Why is San Diego State ranked higher academically? Weird.
Also, Oregon State is still ahead.Yeah. I think some of those global ranking services have the same bias as USNWR. They call fifty guys who are "the top in their field", and ask them, "hey, who's good?". They respond with the names of the schools where their friends work. It's sort of the academic equivalent of the "hats in the mall" effect in athletics. Some places have more name recognition, for whatever reason, so people just assume they must be better. "Hey! I've heard of San Diego! Nice city! California! SDSU must be good! Utah? Isn't that one of the square states? The one will all the Mormons? They're kind of weird... Utah State? Are they the Utes?..." You get the idea. I mean, you guys should really get it. Oregon State is a great school. Join the MWC, and you'll immediately be #1 academically (yeah, I read the whole Air Force Academy tangent. They're a total anomally; one of the 20 most selective colleges in the country, but basically no graduate programs or research.). And yet, you live in the shadow of U of O. It isn't fair, but that's life. I used to teach at the University of Kentucky College of Medicine (Nine years. Associate professor with tenure. Last two years as chief of GI at the Lexington VA.) The same thing happens with NIH grants. NIH grants have become increasingly concentrated in 20 institutions. The division chiefs and department chairs of those institutions make up the grant review committees. So, a grant from Michigan comes up, and the guy from Michigan announces, "I have to recuse myself, because this is from my department." The guy from Stanford takes note, and gives the grant from Michigan a really favorable ranking, because a grant from Stanford is up next... I scratch your back, you scratch mine... |
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