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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 17, 2024 9:16:14 GMT -8
I like the fact that we’re judging and dissing two teams who both kicked our asses last time we played, and seem to do it with a straight face. Ha!
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 19, 2024 12:02:06 GMT -8
It's super short-sighted to look at recent win-loss records in this context. You're looking at long-term potential which has more to do with viewership and program support than it does recent win-loss records.
It has more to do with institutional support for athletics. Which to be fair does have some reflection on recent win-loss records, but historical success should far overshadow recent win-loss records and greater viewership represents a higher ceiling. Those are the things that should be looked at.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 19, 2024 12:36:31 GMT -8
It's super short-sighted to look at recent win-loss records in this context. You're looking at long-term potential which has more to do with viewership and program support than it does recent win-loss records. It has more to do with institutional support for athletics. Which to be fair does have some reflection on recent win-loss records, but historical success should far overshadow recent win-loss records and greater viewership represents a higher ceiling. Those are the things that should be looked at. The institutioal support is a big thing. Several of their teams have made big investments in facilities in recent years. If those schools end up being perceived as being in an "upgraded" conference, it very well pay off in eyeballs, funding and records down the line. |
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Post by p8nted on Feb 19, 2024 13:04:31 GMT -8
It's super short-sighted to look at recent win-loss records in this context. You're looking at long-term potential which has more to do with viewership and program support than it does recent win-loss records. It has more to do with institutional support for athletics. Which to be fair does have some reflection on recent win-loss records, but historical success should far overshadow recent win-loss records and greater viewership represents a higher ceiling. Those are the things that should be looked at. Since Lubbock, their last successful coach, retired in 2007 they have been to 6 bowls and are 2-4 in those bowls. The fans base is small and does not travel well. How far back do you want to go |
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 19, 2024 13:33:15 GMT -8
It's super short-sighted to look at recent win-loss records in this context. You're looking at long-term potential which has more to do with viewership and program support than it does recent win-loss records. It has more to do with institutional support for athletics. Which to be fair does have some reflection on recent win-loss records, but historical success should far overshadow recent win-loss records and greater viewership represents a higher ceiling. Those are the things that should be looked at. Since Lubbock, their last successful coach, retired in 2007 they have been to 6 bowls and are 2-4 in those bowls. The fans base is small and does not travel well. How far back do you want to go if you go back to the early days of the program up until about 1955 they were a pretty competitive program. They went through several malaise decades similar to Oregon State before finding a winner with Sonny Lubick. They had an 11-2 season in 97 and they went 10-2 in 2000, 10-4 in 02, and during the 15 years he was coach they won 75% of their home games. Nobody is saying they are Alabama, they're not. But they're a big step up from Utah State. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 19, 2024 13:36:17 GMT -8
Speaking of CSU, their AD was just canned today apparently.
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Post by p8nted on Feb 20, 2024 9:11:54 GMT -8
Since Lubbock, their last successful coach, retired in 2007 they have been to 6 bowls and are 2-4 in those bowls. The fans base is small and does not travel well. How far back do you want to go if you go back to the early days of the program up until about 1955 they were a pretty competitive program. They went through several malaise decades similar to Oregon State before finding a winner with Sonny Lubick. They had an 11-2 season in 97 and they went 10-2 in 2000, 10-4 in 02, and during the 15 years he was coach they won 75% of their home games. Nobody is saying they are Alabama, they're not. But they're a big step up from Utah State. Sure but in the 60's Wyoming was playing in back to back sugar bowls with a win over Florida State and a close loss to Alabama. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2024 13:46:49 GMT -8
I got tired of the back-and-forth.
Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years:
1. Boise State
2. Fresno State
3. Air Force
4. San Diego State
5. Hawai'i
6. Colorado State
7. Nevada
8. Wyoming
9. Utah State
10. San Jose State
11. New Mexico
12. UNLV
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 20, 2024 15:36:27 GMT -8
I got tired of the back-and-forth. Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years: 1. Boise State
2. Fresno State3. Air Force 4. San Diego State
5. Hawai'i6. Colorado State
7. Nevada
8. Wyoming
9. Utah State
10. San Jose State
11. New Mexico
12. UNLVInteresting, due to the location and size of the university, many count UNLV as one of the more valuable programs. Winning and losing is only a piece of the pie. |
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Post by orangeattack on Feb 20, 2024 15:41:18 GMT -8
if you go back to the early days of the program up until about 1955 they were a pretty competitive program. They went through several malaise decades similar to Oregon State before finding a winner with Sonny Lubick. They had an 11-2 season in 97 and they went 10-2 in 2000, 10-4 in 02, and during the 15 years he was coach they won 75% of their home games. Nobody is saying they are Alabama, they're not. But they're a big step up from Utah State. Sure but in the 60's Wyoming was playing in back to back sugar bowls with a win over Florida State and a close loss to Alabama. We are not far enough apart in opinions to have a protracted argument about this. I'm not saying they're a storied program, you're not saying they're the worst. I am interested with what you said about Colorado State having a small fan base? Is this in comparison to UC-Boulder, or what metric are you using to come to that conclusion? They're in the Denver metro area so that obviously has some appeal. |
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Post by rgeorge on Feb 20, 2024 15:43:37 GMT -8
I got tired of the back-and-forth. Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years: 1. Boise State
2. Fresno State3. Air Force 4. San Diego State
5. Hawai'i6. Colorado State
7. Nevada
8. Wyoming
9. Utah State
10. San Jose State
11. New Mexico
12. UNLVInteresting, due to the location and size of the university, many count UNLV as one of the more valuable programs. Winning and losing is only a piece of the pie. And, if the past, especially 35 seasons of football mattered the MWC wouldn't want OSU either. BUT, it doesn't. It's about who is watching now and how your programs are supported now. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2024 15:57:32 GMT -8
I got tired of the back-and-forth. Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years: 1. Boise State
2. Fresno State3. Air Force 4. San Diego State
5. Hawai'i6. Colorado State
7. Nevada
8. Wyoming
9. Utah State
10. San Jose State
11. New Mexico
12. UNLVInteresting, due to the location and size of the university, many count UNLV as one of the more valuable programs. Winning and losing is only a piece of the pie. I think UNLV is potentially a sleeping giant about to wake up. 35 years ago the Vegas metro population was a little under a third of what it is now, but the biggest thing is they just had a great season, and they now play in a NFL stadium, in one of the busiest and easiest to visit tourist cities in the US. They are in position to really turn it around, especially if they have another good year or two in short order. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2024 16:10:31 GMT -8
Interesting, due to the location and size of the university, many count UNLV as one of the more valuable programs. Winning and losing is only a piece of the pie. I think UNLV is potentially a sleeping giant about to wake up. 35 years ago the Vegas metro population was a little under a third of what it is now, but the biggest thing is they just had a great season, and they now play in a NFL stadium, in one of the busiest and easiest to visit tourist cities in the US. They are in position to really turn it around, especially if they have another good year or two in short order. I really think that the biggest thing holding UNLV back in football all of these years has been Sam Boyd Stadium. It was in the middle of nowhere, nowhere near campus. Now, they play in one of the best stadiums in the country, just on the other side of the road from Mandalay Bay. UNLV could wake up in short order and be a monster. San Diego State, as well. And the "traditional powers" vacating the West Coast for greener pastures back East could leave a vacuum that a rebuilt Pac-12 could quickly fill with universities like Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and UNLV. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 20, 2024 16:34:22 GMT -8
I got tired of the back-and-forth. Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years: 1. Boise State
2. Fresno State3. Air Force 4. San Diego State
5. Hawai'i6. Colorado State
7. Nevada
8. Wyoming
9. Utah State
10. San Jose State
11. New Mexico
12. UNLVMy math was wrong. My apologies. As a shortcut, I calculated most wins. However, that favors teams like Hawai'i and teams that play Hawai'i more often, like Fresno, which play more games than the other teams. Fresno, for example, has played 21 games more than Air Force has in the past 35 years. Winningest Mountain West teams last 35 years: 1. Boise State 2. Air Force 3. Fresno State 4. San Diego State 5. Colorado State 6. Nevada 7. Wyoming 8. Hawai'i 9. Utah State 10. San Jose State 11. New Mexico 12. UNLV Wazzu and Oregon State each have a winning percentage between Hawai'i and Utah State. Hawai'i and Wazzu have an almost identical winning percentage (.478 and .477, respectively), just with Hawai'i playing an additional 32 extra games. Oregon State's (.442) closest winning percentage analogues in FBS football are Kentucky and Purdue (each .444). The team with the third-closest winning percentage to Oregon State, though, is Utah State (.438). |
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Post by irimi on Feb 21, 2024 5:41:23 GMT -8
But the history doesn’t matter nearly as much as the institution’s commitment to building the program. As Beavers, we see that up close with men’s basketball. Until the university gets serious, nothing is going to be good. This was evident 20 years ago when we still were not far removed from being consistently at the top of the conference.
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