Time to put up or shut up...

The thing that I see is huge is something Wilky mentioned above, Tinkle has been for the most psrt producing middle of the road results with a bottom of the barrel budget... he's the first coach here in decades to succeed in that.

The deck has been stacked against OSU basketball coaches ever since big money became a thing a few decades back. It isn't going to be any different unless we invest in the program (and I'm not talking just coaching salaries - our salaries are fine, but we're sending our coaches into a footrace with flip flops rather than running shoes), til then I don't see results changing with just a coaching change.

Invest consistently in at least a middle of the road recruiting budget and other program expenses if you expect consistent results of that level or better.

I'm guess in we have different definitions of "middle of the road". To me NC scheduling and record is tough to compare as there aren't often many comparable opponents. But, conference play is what matters... you can suck in NC and win or finish near the top (or in the Pac12's case win the tournament) a conference and go dancing. Go undefeated, or nearly, in NC play and suck in conference you might be lucky to be NIT bound depending on poorly you are in conference play.

But, in Pac12 play WT's teams have been far from "middle of the road". WSU and OSU go back and forth on hoops budgets for 8th-10th in the Pac12 of the 10 public school that report. And both are in the BOTTOM 3 of Pac 12 wins over the last (9) seasons


Cal with (51) has dropped of the map with only (22) the last 6 seasons

WSU with (57) has done the opposite with (29) the last 3 seasons

OSU with (58) is the ONLY team with: a (1) win season (TWICE)... and never having won (11) or more conference games in that time.

UW (69), Furd (76), UT (78), ASU (80), COL (87), SC (100), UCLA (110), UO (113), Zona (115) round out the conference win totals going into this season.


So... "middle of the road"... MEAN 82.8 wins... MEDIAN 79 wins... or some other "middle"??


As for my post above I did miscount... WT is indeed NOT below 25% "away"* from Gill. He is EXACTLY at 25% by my quick look back.
*away... meaning neutral or true away games
              Neutral     / True away
'23-24....   0-3             NA... none yet played
'22-23...    0-4            1-10
'21-22...    0-3            0-12
'20-21...    6-0*           4-6    *Pac12 Tourney/Elite 8 run
'19-20...    3-1            3-8
'18-19...    2-2            6-5
'17-18...    2-3            1-9
'16-17...    0-1            0-13
'15-16...    0-2            4-8
'14-15...    0-3            2-9   
               13-22        21-80    34-102
                37.1%       20.8%     25%

Some here like to think certain seasons do not count... so lets benefit their thought process but be fair and take away the (2) bad outliers (0-4/0-25 combined), but also the one obvious anomaly of the positive (6-0/4-6)...

Still leaves only (1) road winning record and 7-18 (28%) for Neutral games... 17-49  (25.8%) for away games... for an overall away winning percentage of 24-67 (26.4%).


Previously someone tossed out a 63% winning at Gill... good news/bad news in Pac12 play WT's teams are...
Home 42-42 (50%)    I'd say some here might be surprised by that??
Away 16-68  (19%)   There was actually one season with a winning record (5-4)

So... again back to the definition of "middle of the road"... 50% at home, agreed. BUT... 25% overall away from Gill and 19% in Pac12 play, not sure anyone thinks that is middle of the road of offsets the home record.

          
 

Pac-12
               Home    Home Miss    Away        Away Miss
2014-15    7-2        Bay Area      1-8       Rocky Mountain
2015-16    7-2        Arizonas       2-7         Washingtons
2016-17    1-8     Washingtons   0-9             Arizonas
2017-18    6-3        Bay Area      1-8       Rocky Mountain
2018-19    5-4  Rocky Mountain 5-4            Bay Area
2019-20    5-4     Washingtons   2-7            LA Teams
2020-21    6-4           UCLA        4-6           Washington
2021-22    1-9     Arizona State  0-10           Stanford
2022-23    4-6    Washington St. 1-9              UCLA

I am not surprised, when you add back in the two anomalously bad years.  40-25 (61.5%) without those two seasons.  34-21 (61.8%) if you want to take away the Elite Eight year as well for balance.

Oregon State's four best seasons under Tinkle were the four with the best conference road records.  Oregon State got jobbed out of an NIT berth in 2019.  2021 was the Elite Eight run.  2016 was the other Tournament berth.  2020 was an even more obvious NIT berth with the outside chance of making the Tournament, if the Beavers had defeated the Ducks..........but then COVID-19 and everything.  The two 1-8 years were decent teams but not great.  The 1-9 team was worse.  And the 0fer teams were trash.

I guess that this is the first time that I noticed it, but Oregon State consistently got screwed in scheduling over the past decade.  The Beavs played the LA teams Tinkle's first five years.  Demonstrably, they are the best pairing of teams in the Pac-12.  And Oregon State only missed the Arizonas twice, the second-best pairing of teams.  And and Oregon is the second-best team over the last decade and Oregon State had to play Oregon twice every year.