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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 19, 2023 17:58:49 GMT -8
Don't have the answer but how many D1 basketball schools are within 200 miles of jersey city? I think there are 8 within 200 miles of corvallis - us, oregon, uw, wsu, portland, portland state, Seattle, eastern washington.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 19, 2023 21:59:54 GMT -8
Damn I am tired of the excuses. There was a time 23 or so years ago that people thought we would lose yet another football season - going for 29. We hired a guy by the name of Riley to get our footing then hired a guy named Erickson to put us over the top. And we have generally kept a winning program for most of the years since. There is another riley out there for basketball and maybe another Erickson. Tinkle is not the answer. Quit trying to polish a turd. 1. Arizona 8-1
2. Colorado 8-2
2. Utah 8-2
2. Wazzu 8-2
5. Oregon 7-3
5. Oregon State 7-3
5. Washington 7-3
8. Arizona State 6-4
9. Stanford 5-4
9. UCLA 5-4
11. USC 5-5
12. California 3-7
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have generally kept a winning program under Tinkle. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 19, 2023 22:48:23 GMT -8
Damn I am tired of the excuses. There was a time 23 or so years ago that people thought we would lose yet another football season - going for 29. We hired a guy by the name of Riley to get our footing then hired a guy named Erickson to put us over the top. And we have generally kept a winning program for most of the years since. There is another riley out there for basketball and maybe another Erickson. Tinkle is not the answer. Quit trying to polish a turd. 1. Arizona 8-1
2. Colorado 8-2
2. Utah 8-2
2. Wazzu 8-2
5. Oregon 7-3
5. Oregon State 7-3
5. Washington 7-3
8. Arizona State 6-4
9. Stanford 5-4
9. UCLA 5-4
11. USC 5-5
12. California 3-7
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have generally kept a winning program under Tinkle.Yep... we all get your bias and 58-110 is "generally winning". Oh yeah what's the overall? I wonder what generally losing is like? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2023 12:55:28 GMT -8
1. Arizona 8-1
2. Colorado 8-2
2. Utah 8-2
2. Wazzu 8-2
5. Oregon 7-3
5. Oregon State 7-3
5. Washington 7-3
8. Arizona State 6-4
9. Stanford 5-4
9. UCLA 5-4
11. USC 5-5
12. California 3-7
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have generally kept a winning program under Tinkle.Yep... we all get your bias and 58-110 is "generally winning". Oh yeah what's the overall? I wonder what generally losing is like? Probably posting more losing seasons than winning seasons? I mean, you took English and Math, right? If you are trying to bury my obvious statement in semantic weeds, I do not believe that you succeeded. Dude has posted five winning seasons in the past nine years against three losing seasons. That is more winning seasons than in the 25 years combined before Tinkle showed up on campus. My point is that there has been more good than bad. And far more good than bad than the previous 25 years. And your point is that three seasons spoil everything good about the past nine. And we get that. The glass is half empty. We get it. My point is that the glass is half full. And I am not going to permit you to lie with numbers. Besides, you are jumping in on my point to a completely different poster. My other point is that, if Tinkle is a "turd," it looks like there are bigger turds in the Pac-12 this year. UCLA just lost to Northridge at Pauley Pavilion. USC lost by 16 on Sunday. Oregon lost by 20. Arizona State lost by 20 on Saturday. Cal lost by 10 on Saturday. Wazzu lost to Santa Clara by eight at a neutral site on Saturday. At this point, Oregon State has not lost a game since Black Friday. The only other team that can claim that is Utah. The last Oregon State that has had a similar loss-less streak at this point of the season were the 2014-15, 2017-18, and 2019-20 Beavers. It has been more than 20 years before a coach has turned the trick and that was just the one time. The time before that was more than 35 years ago, when Gary Payton I was a freshman. Ralph Miller had four similar loss-less streaks, but that is it in his 19 years. Paul Valenti pulled it off once. Wait for Oregon State to start losing before you start posting more. Until then, you are a fan. Enjoy the ride. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 20, 2023 13:00:20 GMT -8
58-110...
Hmmmm, IF the Pac12 were to exist and WT achieve a conference record(s) he never has... let's get crazy... 12-8. It'd only take him, what, 6 seasons to break .500?
PS- I believe we can post about any program, any time, regardless of Ws or Ls? Especially with 9+ seasons of data.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2023 13:27:47 GMT -8
Damn I am tired of the excuses. There was a time 23 or so years ago that people thought we would lose yet another football season - going for 29. We hired a guy by the name of Riley to get our footing then hired a guy named Erickson to put us over the top. And we have generally kept a winning program for most of the years since. There is another riley out there for basketball and maybe another Erickson. Tinkle is not the answer. Quit trying to polish a turd. Just to add to this, if Oregon State basketball had played a football schedule, they would have gone: 2014-15 4-5 6-6 No Arizona and no UCLA
2015-16 5-4 7-5 No Arizona State and no USC2016-17 1-8 2-10 No Arizona State and no USC2017-18 4-5 6-6 No UCLA and no Utah2018-19 5-4 7-5 No UCLA and no Utah2019-20 4-5 7-5 No Colorado and no USC2020-21 5-4 7-5 No Colorado and no USC2021-22 1-8 2-10 No Arizona and no UCLA2022-23 3-6 5-7 No Arizona and no UCLABowls in six of the previous nine seasons! Better than the actual football team. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2023 13:30:15 GMT -8
58-110... Hmmmm, IF the Pac12 were to exist and WT achieve a conference record(s) he never has... let's get crazy... 12-8. It'd only take him, what, 6 seasons to break .500? PS- I believe we can post about any program, any time, regardless of Ws or Ls? Especially with 9+ seasons of data. Yes, you can talk about each of the nine seasons, rather than adding them altogether and looking and an antiseptic number. If there were not reasons for at least two of the losing seasons, you might be onto something. Instead, you are just regurgitating a number, which has almost zero meaning whatsoever. But I enjoy you regurgitating garbage. Quite entertaining. How is he going to work in that number this time?  |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 20, 2023 13:38:58 GMT -8
58-110... Hmmmm, IF the Pac12 were to exist and WT achieve a conference record(s) he never has... let's get crazy... 12-8. It'd only take him, what, 6 seasons to break .500? PS- I believe we can post about any program, any time, regardless of Ws or Ls? Especially with 9+ seasons of data. Yes, you can talk about each of the nine seasons, rather than adding them altogether and looking and an antiseptic number. If there were not reasons for at least two of the losing seasons, you might be onto something. Instead, you are just regurgitating a number, which has almost zero meaning whatsoever. But I enjoy you regurgitating garbage. Quite entertaining. How is he going to work in that number this time? Coming from the guy who posts... if the hoops team played a football schedule??🤣🤣 Guess what... HC record is cumulative. Stupid extensions are based on one season. 58-110 is fact. You keep posting made up "garbage". What would our baseball record be if we played a football schedule? Oh ya, they don't so it's pretty ridiculous to even post about it. FFS are you like related to WT? I mean the absolute bizarre posts and rationalizations of factual info is... almost... What if the basketball team played a football schedule🤣🤣 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2023 13:53:35 GMT -8
Yes, you can talk about each of the nine seasons, rather than adding them altogether and looking and an antiseptic number. If there were not reasons for at least two of the losing seasons, you might be onto something. Instead, you are just regurgitating a number, which has almost zero meaning whatsoever. But I enjoy you regurgitating garbage. Quite entertaining. How is he going to work in that number this time? Coming from the guy who posts... if the hoops team played a football schedule??🤣🤣 Guess what... HC record is cumulative. Stupid extensions are based on one season. 58-110 is fact. You keep posting made up "garbage". What would our baseball record be if we played a football schedule? Oh ya, they don't so it's pretty ridiculous to even post about it. FFS are you like related to WT? I mean the absolute bizarre posts and rationalizations of factual info is... almost... What if the basketball team played a football schedule🤣🤣 Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!!! Thanks for jumping on yet another post to a different poster, who literally compared the basketball team to the football team. 58-110 is a nuanced fact. And you do not care to discuss the nuances, so there is no point. 58-110. Elite Eight not a part of that. Therefore it is irrelevant. I get it. I disagree wholeheartedly, but I get it. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 20, 2023 13:57:18 GMT -8
58-110... Hmmmm, IF the Pac12 were to exist and WT achieve a conference record(s) he never has... let's get crazy... 12-8. It'd only take him, what, 6 seasons to break .500? PS- I believe we can post about any program, any time, regardless of Ws or Ls? Especially with 9+ seasons of data. So you're saying if the Beavs were to go 12-8 in conference (and likely to the NCAA Tournament several times) for the foreseeable future, you'd be justified in continuing your anti-Tinkle rants the next 4+ years? Perhaps you should consider picking another metric? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 20, 2023 14:03:03 GMT -8
58-110... Hmmmm, IF the Pac12 were to exist and WT achieve a conference record(s) he never has... let's get crazy... 12-8. It'd only take him, what, 6 seasons to break .500? PS- I believe we can post about any program, any time, regardless of Ws or Ls? Especially with 9+ seasons of data. So you're saying if the Beavs were to go 12-8 in conference (and likely to the NCAA Tournament several times) for the foreseeable future, you'd be justified in continuing your anti-Tinkle rants the next 4+ years? Perhaps you should pick another metric. Can you read? Is that what stated? Nope I pointed out it would take 6 seasons of W/L that hasn't achieved once to get over .500. Your post was made up BS interpretation. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 20, 2023 14:15:28 GMT -8
So you're saying if the Beavs were to go 12-8 in conference (and likely to the NCAA Tournament several times) for the foreseeable future, you'd be justified in continuing your anti-Tinkle rants the next 4+ years? Perhaps you should pick another metric. Can you read? Is that what stated? Nope I pointed out it would take 6 seasons of W/L that hasn't achieved once to get over .500. Your post was made up BS interpretation. You, and others like speakthetruth, are using the below .500 mark the time he has been here as justification that he's a bad coach. Tinkle has had 3 bad seasons, 2 of which were very bad. Seems to me the question to ask is - Is 3 bad seasons out of 9, at a school that has a quarter century history of bad seasons far outnumbering the good, a good reason to toss a coach? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 20, 2023 15:09:56 GMT -8
Can you read? Is that what stated? Nope I pointed out it would take 6 seasons of W/L that hasn't achieved once to get over .500. Your post was made up BS interpretation. You, and others like speakthetruth, are using the below .500 mark the time he has been here as justification that he's a bad coach. Tinkle has had 3 bad seasons, 2 of which were very bad. Seems to me the question to ask is - Is 3 bad seasons out of 9, at a school that has a quarter century history of bad seasons far outnumbering the good, a good reason to toss a coach? He's 58-110 when it counts. He's under 25% away from Gill. His program fell off a cliff immediately after an E8. Comparing to other coaches isn't a defense especially when his winning % is now 2nd (?) worst. Let's not even go into the offensive scheme, recruiting, etc. Good guy. Just didn't cut it here. Funny, just like the other coaches you/others want to compare him to. For a while all these bad coaches were one of the reasons (now excuses) for WT's lack of success. Now he's joined the list and has had more time to turn it around. When is enough time? When is $2.6+mil/year too much for 6.5 conference wins per year. And, yes all seasons count. Do you toss out the E8 because it was effected by Covid? By Zona being banned from the Pac12 tourney? I think not. Did former coaches have extreme seasons? Did they face recruiting hardships? Did the former coaches have the luxury of easy fix portal transfers, better facilities, bigger recruiting budget than WT has? Was the Pac10/12 a stronger conference 1991-2014? Excuses go both ways. But, see none being researched/made for the former coaches although some now have better overall winning %. Ineptness is the excuse for more? Is that a philosophy you practice, passed on, in your life? Do you think WT is the future of OSU hoops? |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 20, 2023 15:13:32 GMT -8
Coming from the guy who posts... if the hoops team played a football schedule??🤣🤣 Guess what... HC record is cumulative. Stupid extensions are based on one season. 58-110 is fact. You keep posting made up "garbage". What would our baseball record be if we played a football schedule? Oh ya, they don't so it's pretty ridiculous to even post about it. FFS are you like related to WT? I mean the absolute bizarre posts and rationalizations of factual info is... almost... What if the basketball team played a football schedule🤣🤣 Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!!!!! Thanks for jumping on yet another post to a different poster, who literally compared the basketball team to the football team. 58-110 is a nuanced fact. And you do not care to discuss the nuances, so there is no point. 58-110. Elite Eight not a part of that. Therefore it is irrelevant. I get it. I disagree wholeheartedly, but I get it. Again with the hypocritical post. Good to know Wilky never jumps in on a thread he's not part of! 🤣 |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 20, 2023 16:11:01 GMT -8
You, and others like speakthetruth, are using the below .500 mark the time he has been here as justification that he's a bad coach. Tinkle has had 3 bad seasons, 2 of which were very bad. Seems to me the question to ask is - Is 3 bad seasons out of 9, at a school that has a quarter century history of bad seasons far outnumbering the good, a good reason to toss a coach? He's 58-110 when it counts. He's under 25% away from Gill. His program fell off a cliff immediately after an E8. Comparing to other coaches isn't a defense especially when his winning % is now 2nd (?) worst. Let's not even go into the offensive scheme, recruiting, etc. Good guy. Just didn't cut it here. Funny, just like the other coaches you/others want to compare him to. For a while all these bad coaches were one of the reasons (now excuses) for WT's lack of success. Now he's joined the list and has had more time to turn it around. When is enough time? When is $2.6+mil/year too much for 6.5 conference wins per year. And, yes all seasons count. Do you toss out the E8 because it was effected by Covid? By Zona being banned from the Pac12 tourney? I think not. Did former coaches have extreme seasons? Did they face recruiting hardships? Did the former coaches have the luxury of easy fix portal transfers, better facilities, bigger recruiting budget than WT has? Was the Pac10/12 a stronger conference 1991-2014? Excuses go both ways. But, see none being researched/made for the former coaches although some now have better overall winning %. Ineptness is the excuse for more? Is that a philosophy you practice, passed on, in your life? Do you think WT is the future of OSU hoops? Tinkle is not under 25% away from Gill. That is untrue. It is not far off, but it is untrue. But it also highlights the fact that Tinkle has won 63% of the games at Gill, even using the two wretched seasons. Also, Tinkle is 1-0 in the Sweet Sixteen, which is when it actually counts. 58-110 is only most of the regular season conference games, not even all of them. It is one of many facts that you can utilize to discuss Tinkle's tenure and a very flawed fact, at that. You have to throw a lot more good to make the bad true than to throw out the bad to make the good true. You have to invent far more excuses to make Tinkle's tenure mostly bad, when it has, in fact, been mostly good. Dude is working with the 11th-largest budget in the Pac-12. Every year with a winning record is amazing, a gift from Tinkle to all of us. Doing more with next to nothing. Reminds me of the old joke about American Management: An American Company and a Japanese Company decided to engage in a boat race. Both teams practiced hard and long to reach their peak performance levels. On the big day they felt ready. The Japanese won by a mile. The American team was discouraged by the loss. Morale sagged. Corporate management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found, so a consulting firm was hired to investigate the problem and recommend corrective action. The consultant's finding: The Japanese team had eight people rowing and one person steering; the American team had one person rowing and eight people steering. After a year of study and millions spent analyzing the problem, the consultant firm concluded that too many people were steering and not enough were rowing on the American team. So as race day neared again the following year, the American team's management structure was completely reorganized. The new structure: four steering managers, three area steering managers, and a new performance review system for the person rowing the boat to provide a work incentive. The next year, the Japanese won by TWO miles!!! Humiliated, the American corporation laid off the rower for poor performance and gave the managers a bonus for discovering the problem. In his first nine years at Northwestern, Chris Collins was 54-113 in the Big Ten at Northwestern. That included an eight-win season in year seven and a nine-win season in year eight. Coached year 10 and went 12-8 in the Big Ten and 22-12 overall, because their fanbase is not littered with a bunch of blathering morons. Tinkle would stay ahead of Collins with a 10-10 conference record this season. |
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