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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2023 12:00:40 GMT -8
He was always committed to Smith and Lindgren, not OSU. So nice surprise. Good luck, hope his parents have bank to pay for plane tickets and like the hour drive from Detroit Metro to East Lansing. We'll get someone. The last couple days have shown our new staff can recruit and that the reports (many here) of the impending demise of our program are great exaggerated. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 14, 2023 12:06:32 GMT -8
Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future? They're graduated. They've been here 4 or 5 years. They are ready for something different for their final year. Same reasons graduated players leave Duke, Stanford, etc. It's no doubt part of the reason. I think there's usually other factors beyond just being a grad with eligibility left. I'm not saying they're wrong to make the decision but it's not like they are obligated to look to play for another program just because they graduated. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 14, 2023 12:17:43 GMT -8
He was always committed to Smith and Lindgren, not OSU. So nice surprise. Good luck, hope his parents have bank to pay for plane tickets and like the hour drive from Detroit Metro to East Lansing. We'll get someone. The last couple days have shown our new staff can recruit and that the reports (many here) of the impending demise of our program are great exaggerated. Agree on Chiles. He was definitely committed to Smith and Lindgren. It is what it is. As far as the demise of the program, there's a big difference between a Pac-2 situation where Bray and his assistants can sell players on the possibility of a run to the CFP and one in which OSU and WSU reverse merge with the MWC and Bray and his staff are tasked with convincing recruits (especially portal adds) that it's somehow better than the MWC. Despite being seen by you and a few others as a doomsayer, I was a big supporter of the Bray hiring, in part because he is so popular with the players. They've done a great job so far in the portal and I expect they will do well with high school recruits as well, though that might take a year. Overall, I'm very positive about how things are going considering the situation. And as far as OSU's future, a lot of dominoes are going to start falling in the college football world, so I guess we'll see where it all leads to. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 14, 2023 12:48:47 GMT -8
He was always committed to Smith and Lindgren, not OSU. So nice surprise. Good luck, hope his parents have bank to pay for plane tickets and like the hour drive from Detroit Metro to East Lansing. We'll get someone. The last couple days have shown our new staff can recruit and that the reports (many here) of the impending demise of our program are great exaggerated. Smith bailed on Chiles in the middle of the season (along with every other player). Yet Chiles and his parents think he won't do it again. They are only correct if it's the best thing for Smith. He has shown he doesn't care. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2023 15:03:30 GMT -8
Well phooey.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 14, 2023 15:22:46 GMT -8
He was always committed to Smith and Lindgren, not OSU. So nice surprise. Good luck, hope his parents have bank to pay for plane tickets and like the hour drive from Detroit Metro to East Lansing. We'll get someone. The last couple days have shown our new staff can recruit and that the reports (many here) of the impending demise of our program are great exaggerated. Smith bailed on Chiles in the middle of the season (along with every other player). Yet Chiles and his parents think he won't do it again. They are only correct if it's the best thing for Smith. He has shown he doesn't care. My hope is that not only do we go bowling the next couple years, we manage to squeeze in to the playoff picture. Not that I'm wishing buyer's remorse on those who have transferred, but I'm hoping the reward is great for those who stay. Though, it won't hurt my feelings if some who transferred out are surprised at how well our rebuilt team does in our rebuilding conference. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2023 15:32:28 GMT -8
I hope Larry Nassar gives him his physical while he’s talking on the phone with Brenda Tracy!
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 14, 2023 15:50:43 GMT -8
Smith bailed on Chiles in the middle of the season (along with every other player). Yet Chiles and his parents think he won't do it again. They are only correct if it's the best thing for Smith. He has shown he doesn't care. My hope is that not only do we go bowling the next couple years, we manage to squeeze in to the playoff picture. Not that I'm wishing buyer's remorse on those who have transferred, but I'm hoping the reward is great for those who stay. Though, it won't hurt my feelings if some who transferred out are surprised at how well our rebuilt team does in our rebuilding conference. I think most who post here regularly and watch the games wanted Chiles to return. But, on the up side his decision opens the door for a truly experienced QB(s). Chiles was an exciting prospect and I too wish he would have stayed put, but he played very limited/select series and it is a complete guess on how he and the new scheme would "fit"/how he would perform. He was sort of a known quantity. The next guy less, but I'll take a kid from a great program with some or lots of game experience/success anytime. I will say I spoke with his family more than once, This had to be mostly an AC decision, Mom really stressed the small town vibe, safety, culture over the "influences"/what happens at larger schools. But, as with all transfers out... out of sight out of mind. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2023 17:12:24 GMT -8
I hope Larry Nassar gives him his physical while he’s talking on the phone with Brenda Tracy! That would be a feat, since Nassar died in prison. But your point is understood. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2023 17:18:48 GMT -8
He was always committed to Smith and Lindgren, not OSU. So nice surprise. Good luck, hope his parents have bank to pay for plane tickets and like the hour drive from Detroit Metro to East Lansing. We'll get someone. The last couple days have shown our new staff can recruit and that the reports (many here) of the impending demise of our program are great exaggerated. Agree on Chiles. He was definitely committed to Smith and Lindgren. It is what it is. As far as the demise of the program, there's a big difference between a Pac-2 situation where Bray and his assistants can sell players on the possibility of a run to the CFP and one in which OSU and WSU reverse merge with the MWC and Bray and his staff are tasked with convincing recruits (especially portal adds) that it's somehow better than the MWC. Despite being seen by you and a few others as a doomsayer, I was a big supporter of the Bray hiring, in part because he is so popular with the players. They've done a great job so far in the portal and I expect they will do well with high school recruits as well, though that might take a year. Overall, I'm very positive about how things are going considering the situation. And as far as OSU's future, a lot of dominoes are going to start falling in the college football world, so I guess we'll see where it all leads to. Had we done a reverse merger, the schedule would look identical. WSU would be a conference opponent, so we'd have eight league games. We would have just as much chance of making the CFP in the new reverse-merged Pac-12 as we will next year in the Pac-2. And we would be eligible for a conference championship and have players eligible for individual awards. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 14, 2023 17:55:45 GMT -8
I hope Larry Nassar gives him his physical while he’s talking on the phone with Brenda Tracy! That would be a feat, since Nassar died in prison. But your point is understood. That makes it even better! But sadly he is still alive. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2023 20:23:18 GMT -8
That would be a feat, since Nassar died in prison. But your point is understood. That makes it even better! But sadly he is still alive. Dang I thought he died after getting shivved. My bad. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 14, 2023 20:49:15 GMT -8
Agree on Chiles. He was definitely committed to Smith and Lindgren. It is what it is. As far as the demise of the program, there's a big difference between a Pac-2 situation where Bray and his assistants can sell players on the possibility of a run to the CFP and one in which OSU and WSU reverse merge with the MWC and Bray and his staff are tasked with convincing recruits (especially portal adds) that it's somehow better than the MWC. Despite being seen by you and a few others as a doomsayer, I was a big supporter of the Bray hiring, in part because he is so popular with the players. They've done a great job so far in the portal and I expect they will do well with high school recruits as well, though that might take a year. Overall, I'm very positive about how things are going considering the situation. And as far as OSU's future, a lot of dominoes are going to start falling in the college football world, so I guess we'll see where it all leads to. Had we done a reverse merger, the schedule would look identical. WSU would be a conference opponent, so we'd have eight league games. We would have just as much chance of making the CFP in the new reverse-merged Pac-12 as we will next year in the Pac-2. And we would be eligible for a conference championship and have players eligible for individual awards. I'm not talking about the schedule. I'm talking about how Bray is able to recruit right now because he doesn't have to sell recruits on OSU being a part of the Pac-MWC. IMO, the guys he's already landed would be much less likely to have committed to OSU as a part of the Pac-MWC. In the case of the S from Middle Tennessee, no way he picks OSU over all the teams that offered him. Pretty sure those Colorado players would not be interested. So yeah, better shot at the CFP as it stands right now. And yes, IMO Bray is not selling a future with the MWC. He's selling the present and well he should. Anyone who is paying attention can see that college football is going to continue to undergo major changes in the near future. The future of the Pac isn't the only thing in CFB that is uncertain. That includes the G5 conferences especially once the dominoes start to fall. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 14, 2023 21:15:53 GMT -8
Had we done a reverse merger, the schedule would look identical. WSU would be a conference opponent, so we'd have eight league games. We would have just as much chance of making the CFP in the new reverse-merged Pac-12 as we will next year in the Pac-2. And we would be eligible for a conference championship and have players eligible for individual awards. I'm not talking about the schedule. I'm talking about how Bray is able to recruit right now because he doesn't have to sell recruits on OSU being a part of the Pac-MWC. IMO, the guys he's already landed would be much less likely to have committed to OSU as a part of the Pac-MWC. In the case of the S from Middle Tennessee, no way he picks OSU over all the teams that offered him. Pretty sure those Colorado players would not be interested. So yeah, better shot at the CFP as it stands right now. And yes, IMO Bray is not selling a future with the MWC. He's selling the present and well he should. Anyone who is paying attention can see that college football is going to continue to undergo major changes in the near future. The future of the Pac isn't the only thing in CFB that is uncertain. That includes the G5 conferences especially once the dominoes start to fall. Just because you don't understand the power of the Pac-12 brand, even if it includes current G5 teams, doesn't mean nobody else does. He's selling the future, and it isn't a Pac-2 operating independently. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 14, 2023 21:39:40 GMT -8
I'm not talking about the schedule. I'm talking about how Bray is able to recruit right now because he doesn't have to sell recruits on OSU being a part of the Pac-MWC. IMO, the guys he's already landed would be much less likely to have committed to OSU as a part of the Pac-MWC. In the case of the S from Middle Tennessee, no way he picks OSU over all the teams that offered him. Pretty sure those Colorado players would not be interested. So yeah, better shot at the CFP as it stands right now. And yes, IMO Bray is not selling a future with the MWC. He's selling the present and well he should. Anyone who is paying attention can see that college football is going to continue to undergo major changes in the near future. The future of the Pac isn't the only thing in CFB that is uncertain. That includes the G5 conferences especially once the dominoes start to fall. Just because you don't understand the power of the Pac-12 brand, even if it includes current G5 teams, doesn't mean nobody else does. He's selling the future, and it isn't a Pac-2 operating independently. The Pac-12 brand is not the MWC and that is how the vast majority of the college football world is going to look at a reverse merger: it will be seen as the MWC with two ex-Pac teams. Sorry. The Pac-2 is already being mocked on social media as being a part of or at the same level as the MWC. I know they are basically trolls but that doesn't mean the perception is any less real. Bray's not selling a future in the MWC or anywhere else. The Pac-2 is what he has right now. He does not know where OSU will be in the future. Again, dominoes will fall. They're in motion at this very moment. |
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