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Post by irimi on Dec 11, 2023 17:13:40 GMT -8
If Smith brought him to Corvallis, I’m not surprised Chiles would follow him. While skimming through social media the other day I saw a post from Aidan's mom, Nikki. Addressing some negative comments about Chiles following Smith/Lindgren to East Lansing, Nikki said that (paraphrasing) people don't know what they are talking about, but if they knew Aidan's story, especially his recruiting story, they would understand his thoughts and actions - and that there is much more than meets the eye. I'm not sure what that means because I didn't dive deep into Aidan's background/recruiting story/personal life. I haven't seen this covered in detail, but Aidan has mentioned on numerous occasions his connection/relationship with Smith/Lindgren. In an October 24 interview with the Oregonian, he said that he came for the team and the coach. "I love Coach Smith, man." He talked about how Coach Smith was there for him as a person, and in general. It is clear there is a close relationship with Smith. Smitty really took Aidan under his wing, for whatever reason. And I'm not saying that in a back-handed kind of way, I haven't read up on Aidan's childhood or much of his background for that to have context one way or the other. Aidan who? He's dead to me. In all honesty, I sort of saw it that way. I think Chiles would've stayed because of Smith, so I think he left also because of Smith. To get a quality guy like that must have taken a lot of work on Smith's part, building up his trust and convincing Aidan that he'll take care of him. But the biggest sign was that he didn't play in the CW. He phoned it in just like Smith. Smith had already told him and probably convinced him to follow him to MSU. We are pissed at Smith for abandoning us, but he was good at what he does. And given that, we should have expected the team to want to follow him. Anyway, it's ancient history. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 11, 2023 17:19:42 GMT -8
While skimming through social media the other day I saw a post from Aidan's mom, Nikki. Addressing some negative comments about Chiles following Smith/Lindgren to East Lansing, Nikki said that (paraphrasing) people don't know what they are talking about, but if they knew Aidan's story, especially his recruiting story, they would understand his thoughts and actions - and that there is much more than meets the eye. I'm not sure what that means because I didn't dive deep into Aidan's background/recruiting story/personal life. I haven't seen this covered in detail, but Aidan has mentioned on numerous occasions his connection/relationship with Smith/Lindgren. In an October 24 interview with the Oregonian, he said that he came for the team and the coach. "I love Coach Smith, man." He talked about how Coach Smith was there for him as a person, and in general. It is clear there is a close relationship with Smith. Smitty really took Aidan under his wing, for whatever reason. And I'm not saying that in a back-handed kind of way, I haven't read up on Aidan's childhood or much of his background for that to have context one way or the other. Aidan who? He's dead to me. In all honesty, I sort of saw it that way. I think Chiles would've stayed because of Smith, so I think he left also because of Smith. To get a quality guy like that must have taken a lot of work on Smith's part, building up his trust and convincing Aidan that he'll take care of him. But the biggest sign was that he didn't play in the CW. He phoned it in just like Smith. Smith had already told him and probably convinced him to follow him to MSU. We are pissed at Smith for abandoning us, but he was good at what he does. And given that, we should have expected the team to want to follow him. Anyway, it's ancient history. I think it's true that there are two types of recruits. Ones who fall in love with Corvallis, and ones that have a connection with the staff. If you read any or all of Aidan's interviews, he mentions Smith and the Staff and the program but never Corvallis. Writing was always on the wall with him. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 11, 2023 19:54:04 GMT -8
Welp, some of the guys who left might get paid a s%#t load. EMA, Arnold and McCoy all visiting TAM this week.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 11, 2023 20:54:51 GMT -8
Read the recent articles/ social media from elite recruits/players... A&M NIL $ greatly exaggerated. Very very few getting any big $.
Their largest, 12th Man+, forced to shut down and disassociate from the school.
Open records site a total if $4 mil paid to all athletes at A&M... $3.3 mil to football players COMBINED.
NIL $ are greatly exaggerated everywhere.
The most recent number includes $ outside the NIL(s) itself, of $10 mil, for all athletes on campus.
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2023 10:44:46 GMT -8
Read the recent articles/ social media from elite recruits/players... A&M NIL $ greatly exaggerated. Very very few getting any big $. Their largest, 12th Man+, forced to shut down and disassociate from the school. Open records site a total if $4 mil paid to all athletes at A&M... $3.3 mil to football players COMBINED. NIL $ are greatly exaggerated everywhere. The most recent number includes $ outside the NIL(s) itself, of $10 mil, for all athletes on campus. Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future? |
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Post by ftd on Dec 12, 2023 10:58:30 GMT -8
Read the recent articles/ social media from elite recruits/players... A&M NIL $ greatly exaggerated. Very very few getting any big $. Their largest, 12th Man+, forced to shut down and disassociate from the school. Open records site a total if $4 mil paid to all athletes at A&M... $3.3 mil to football players COMBINED. NIL $ are greatly exaggerated everywhere. The most recent number includes $ outside the NIL(s) itself, of $10 mil, for all athletes on campus. Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future?
I'd say that is the most likely reason. Interesting to me that all our guys in the portal, none have officially signed with a new team yet.. |
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 12, 2023 11:00:57 GMT -8
Slightly better isn't "sh&t load of money" like some proclaim.
We all know OSU was/is in the bottom tier of P5 recruiting & same for NIL. It's not going to change in the near future. So, I'm not sure why fans are that taken aback.
It's just a different type of recruiting & OSU has find a staff to accommodate & build.
The parameters aren't going to change soon. OSU is going to play football. Every stud we uncover &/or develop will be fair game. The "Tim Sheltons" of the world who cry foul & run from a challenge aren't who we want at OSU.
Go Beavs
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Post by grayman on Dec 12, 2023 11:09:42 GMT -8
Slightly better isn't "sh&t load of money" like some proclaim. We all know OSU was/is in the bottom tier of P5 recruiting & same for NIL. It's not going to change in the near future. So, I'm not sure why fans are that taken aback. It's just a different type of recruiting & OSU has find a staff to accommodate & build. The parameters aren't going to change soon. OSU is going to play football. Every stud we uncover &/or develop will be fair game. The "Tim Sheltons" of the world who cry foul & run from a challenge aren't who we want at OSU. Go Beavs Yeah, unfortunately true. I have to think there will be a breaking point, though. I just saw how many Big 12 players are in the portal. It's just crazy. OSU and WSU might be in an unusual situation but as far as all of this NIL and portal stuff, there's a lot of schools that are in the same boat. |
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 12, 2023 11:11:05 GMT -8
Read the recent articles/ social media from elite recruits/players... A&M NIL $ greatly exaggerated. Very very few getting any big $. Their largest, 12th Man+, forced to shut down and disassociate from the school. Open records site a total if $4 mil paid to all athletes at A&M... $3.3 mil to football players COMBINED. NIL $ are greatly exaggerated everywhere. The most recent number includes $ outside the NIL(s) itself, of $10 mil, for all athletes on campus. Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future? Another thing that I was thinking about.... look how big of a "splash" these players make when they enter the portal and transfer to another school. Look at how much pub DJU got playing for the Beavs for a year. Look at how the Clemson fanbase and all the pundits were saying "well looks like the problem is not with DJU". All these guys who took the blame for losses get a chance to go out and show a different side and give a huge boost to their stock. In terms of building a resume for their future in the NFL, even for a successful player - the player proves that he's not a product of the system, and that his talent is driving his performance and not the scheme, and not the coaching, and not his teammates. Shows that he is adept at learning a new scheme and adapting to new coaches - shows that he is "coachable". |
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Post by ftd on Dec 13, 2023 16:16:15 GMT -8
So the dorks already landed the qb from Oklahoma
Now UCLA QB Dante Moore is visiting Eugene?
Somebody an't gonna be happy
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 13, 2023 16:24:24 GMT -8
Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future? Another thing that I was thinking about.... look how big of a "splash" these players make when they enter the portal and transfer to another school. Look at how much pub DJU got playing for the Beavs for a year. Look at how the Clemson fanbase and all the pundits were saying "well looks like the problem is not with DJU". All these guys who took the blame for losses get a chance to go out and show a different side and give a huge boost to their stock. In terms of building a resume for their future in the NFL, even for a successful player - the player proves that he's not a product of the system, and that his talent is driving his performance and not the scheme, and not the coaching, and not his teammates. Shows that he is adept at learning a new scheme and adapting to new coaches - shows that he is "coachable". There is also the human side to this. These are young adults. Teenagers and kids in their early 20s. Why not get paid to go to some other city in some other part of the country to play football? why not? It's an adventure! I am being serious. Even if not big NIL dollars like we are talking still the minimum basics of a scholarship athlete. they are getting school paid, they are getting room and board. They are getting free swag and seeing new places and meeting new people. Honestly I don't blame kids for playing a few years at one place and deciding I am young and I don't have a lot of chances for somebody to pay me to live somewhere else! |
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Post by ftd on Dec 13, 2023 16:34:59 GMT -8
Another thing that I was thinking about.... look how big of a "splash" these players make when they enter the portal and transfer to another school. Look at how much pub DJU got playing for the Beavs for a year. Look at how the Clemson fanbase and all the pundits were saying "well looks like the problem is not with DJU". All these guys who took the blame for losses get a chance to go out and show a different side and give a huge boost to their stock. In terms of building a resume for their future in the NFL, even for a successful player - the player proves that he's not a product of the system, and that his talent is driving his performance and not the scheme, and not the coaching, and not his teammates. Shows that he is adept at learning a new scheme and adapting to new coaches - shows that he is "coachable". There is also the human side to this. These are young adults. Teenagers and kids in their early 20s. Why not get paid to go to some other city in some other part of the country to play football? why not? It's an adventure! I am being serious. Even if not big NIL dollars like we are talking still the minimum basics of a scholarship athlete. they are getting school paid, they are getting room and board. They are getting free swag and seeing new places and meeting new people. Honestly I don't blame kids for playing a few years at one place and deciding I am young and I don't have a lot of chances for somebody to pay me to live somewhere else! None of them are kids....Young adults yes and some teens..but once over 18...Not a kid...They are in college...not HS or grade school. None have a lot of real life experience...and sometimes make poor decisions... |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 14, 2023 11:39:39 GMT -8
Chiles has officially committed to MSU.
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Post by ftd on Dec 14, 2023 11:40:07 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 14, 2023 11:53:09 GMT -8
Read the recent articles/ social media from elite recruits/players... A&M NIL $ greatly exaggerated. Very very few getting any big $. Their largest, 12th Man+, forced to shut down and disassociate from the school. Open records site a total if $4 mil paid to all athletes at A&M... $3.3 mil to football players COMBINED. NIL $ are greatly exaggerated everywhere. The most recent number includes $ outside the NIL(s) itself, of $10 mil, for all athletes on campus. Assuming that this is true (I have no reason to doubt it), then why are players like the Arnolds leaving OSU? If it was to follow Jonathan Smith, then they would do so. Is it because of a payday that might be slightly better than what OSU can offer? Or maybe it's the Pac-12 breaking up and/or OSU's unclear future? They're graduated. They've been here 4 or 5 years. They are ready for something different for their final year. Same reasons graduated players leave Duke, Stanford, etc. |
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