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Post by TheGlove on Aug 27, 2023 21:36:12 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Aug 28, 2023 6:49:16 GMT -8
Nice read. Thanks! I hadn't thought about the Beavs and the Cougs playing as independents for a couple of years. Might not be a bad idea.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2023 6:55:36 GMT -8
F furd and Cal!
Seems like dissolving the MW to join the Pac2 would be the best option......but that will take a lot of "billable hours". Hope we don't use up all the emergency funds on lawyers!
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 28, 2023 7:56:35 GMT -8
Nice read. Thanks! I hadn't thought about the Beavs and the Cougs playing as independents for a couple of years. Might not be a bad idea. Frankly I like it better than joining either the MWC or AAC. But scheduling would be a challenge. We likely would end up playing a lot of road games. Last time this happened, 1959, we went on the road to play Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Michigan. Fortunately we still were able to schedule some legacy PCC teams, Cal, Stanford, UW, USC, Idaho, along with Oregon and WSU who were also independents.
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 28, 2023 8:35:03 GMT -8
Nice read. Thanks! I hadn't thought about the Beavs and the Cougs playing as independents for a couple of years. Might not be a bad idea. Frankly I like it better than joining either the MWC or AAC. But scheduling would be a challenge. We likely would end up playing a lot of road games. Last time this happened, 1959, we went on the road to play Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Michigan. Fortunately we still were able to schedule some legacy PCC teams, Cal, Stanford, UW, USC, Idaho, along with Oregon and WSU who were also independents. IMO making any money whatsoever would be a bigger challenge than scheduling.
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Post by sonoma beav on Aug 28, 2023 9:25:55 GMT -8
I think recruiting would suffer if the teams are not part of a formal conference.
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 28, 2023 10:40:49 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2023 11:00:50 GMT -8
I think it would be very very very hard for OSU and/or WSU to go independent right now. So hard, I probably should add a few more "verys" to the statement.
There are only 4 independent schools right now. Army, Notre Dame, UMASS and UCONN, that's it. From what I'm reading, UMASS has been struggling and wants to be in a conference and hasn't been able to find one. I don't know UCONN's story. Notre Dame supposedly thinking about joining a conference fully because of the upcoming playoff situation.
As an independent, OSU would have no bowl ties, so a major bowl would probably be out of the question unless they could somehow cobble a strong schedule together and pretty much win them all.
Scheduling would be another nightmare. Most any school worthwhile probably has their OOC games scheduled out 2/3/4+ years already, and we'd have to find 9 opponents FAST just to play a full season next year. I guess in theory we could schedule all 9 games at Reser against FCS teams and kiss the thought of a bowl game goodbye, not sure what people would think of that.
Also, at that point, OSU would have no media deal. OSU doesn't have the power of religion or the US services behind them, it's not in a major city or a killer media market, so I doubt there would be much TV money, and likely Apple probably won't be interested in doing a deal for 1 or 2 teams. There's strength in numbers with a conference behind you, even it's not one of the 4 strongest conferences. If the Pac 2 merged with the MWC under the Pac banner it would likely be either the 5th or 6th strongest conference, with that would come at least some negotiating power as far as bowls go, might even get to keep the current bowl agreements for a while.
I'd think going independent successfully would require a lot of planning, perhaps years in advance, and probably would work better for a school with more "brand" appeal than OSU has.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 28, 2023 11:43:48 GMT -8
I think it would be very very very hard for OSU and/or WSU to go independent right now. So hard, I probably should add a few more "verys" to the statement. There are only 4 independent schools right now. Army, Notre Dame, UMASS and UCONN, that's it. From what I'm reading, UMASS has been struggling and wants to be in a conference and hasn't been able to find one. I don't know UCONN's story. Notre Dame supposedly thinking about joining a conference fully because of the upcoming playoff situation. As an independent, OSU would have no bowl ties, so a major bowl would probably be out of the question unless they could somehow cobble a strong schedule together and pretty much win them all. Scheduling would be another nightmare. Most any school worthwhile probably has their OOC games scheduled out 2/3/4+ years already, and we'd have to find 9 opponents FAST just to play a full season next year. I guess in theory we could schedule all 9 games at Reser against FCS teams and kiss the thought of a bowl game goodbye, not sure what people would think of that. Also, at that point, OSU would have no media deal. OSU doesn't have the power of religion or the US services behind them, it's not in a major city or a killer media market, so I doubt there would be much TV money, and likely Apple probably won't be interested in doing a deal for 1 or 2 teams. There's strength in numbers with a conference behind you, even it's not one of the 4 strongest conferences. If the Pac 2 merged with the MWC under the Pac banner it would likely be either the 5th or 6th strongest conference, with that would come at least some negotiating power as far as bowls go, might even get to keep the current bowl agreements for a while. I'd think going independent successfully would require a lot of planning, perhaps years in advance, and probably would work better for a school with more "brand" appeal than OSU has. Everything you say is true. But my understanding of the idea floated in the Wilner article was for OSU/WSU to remain independent for a year or two, playing for time to see how things shake out given all the realignment flux. The suggestion was not to stay independent permanently. I may have read too much into it but I thought they were talking about a scenario in which a rebuilt Pac12 does not happen. I don't like the idea of going independent at all. Even with the understanding it is short term it is a gamble. I just prefer it to joining MWC or AAC as a regular member. Both have low TV payouts. MWC has a high severance penalty. AAC looks like a travel nightmare.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Aug 28, 2023 11:58:47 GMT -8
I did not catch anything about OSU going independent in the article… He promoted the “have the MWC disband and form into Pac-X” idea, with the hope it could be done soon-ish. Or did I miss something…?
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Post by beavheart on Aug 28, 2023 12:20:11 GMT -8
Geee, what could possibly go wrong with this idea? Every time I think the realignment saga couldn't get any dumber, it does. How does swapping out 1 to 2 hour flights for your athletes, for 6 or 7 hours flights, for less money make any sense under any circumstance. Is your academic standing so precious to you that you are willing to forego any amount of common sense or fundamental math? For such "smart schools" they are the dumbest bunch in the lot. I kind of, sort of, in a very revealing act of hubris, understand why the wine and cheese crowd at Furd want this, but what in the hell is Cal thinking? They should just put a gun to their own head at this point. Frankly, I think the ACC is doing OSU and WSU a favor. Bay area schools are poison.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 28, 2023 12:48:53 GMT -8
I did not catch anything about OSU going independent in the article… He promoted the “have the MWC disband and form into Pac-X” idea, with the hope it could be done soon-ish. Or did I miss something…? This question was asked: "What are the specifics on this Pac-12 “war chest” I’ve heard about? Could it fund Oregon State and Washington State as football Independents for a year or two until the next round of conference collapse?" Wilner did not answer what I thought was the point of the question: If WSU/OSU are the last teams standing, whar is to stop them from taking the residual money and then going independent?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 28, 2023 12:53:28 GMT -8
I don't like the idea of going independent at all. Even with the understanding it is short term it is a gamble. I just prefer it to joining MWC or AAC as a regular member. Both have low TV payouts. MWC has a high severance penalty. AAC looks like a travel nightmare. On the going independent for a year or two, I just don't see how it can be done as far as scheduling a full set of games in 2024, We'd probably have to buy out 9 opponents' already scheduled games, and it'd be likely that every game would be a road game for us unless we were willing to pay huge money up front to get teams to play in Reser. We'd be kinda over a barrel. Joining the MWC or AAC would be a bad idea, but bringing either of those 2 conferences in under the PAC would be relatively easy. There are ZERO conference buyout penalties if they dissolve their conference. We'd have to probably buy out or pay some exit penalties for the remainder of their media deals if they didn't have an out clause for conference dissolution, but that would probably be more than covered by whatever new media contract the PAC negotiates and the incoming residuals still due the conference over the next 5 years from seasons the PAC has already played.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 28, 2023 12:54:46 GMT -8
Geee, what could possibly go wrong with this idea? Every time I think the realignment saga couldn't get any dumber, it does. How does swapping out 1 to 2 hour flights for your athletes, for 6 or 7 hours flights, for less money make any sense under any circumstance. Is your academic standing so precious to you that you are willing to forego any amount of common sense or fundamental math? For such "smart schools" they are the dumbest bunch in the lot. I kind of, sort of, in a very revealing act of hubris, understand why the wine and cheese crowd at Furd want this, but what in the hell is Cal thinking? They should just put a gun to their own head at this point. Frankly, I think the ACC is doing OSU and WSU a favor. Bay area schools are poison.Exactly what I was thinking. Trying to rebuild the conference with those two hanging around, objecting to every potential new team, is not worth it. I've never understood insisting that academic excellence be mixed with athletics. Its almost like those schools are saying: "We aren't happy being involved in athletics anyway, but if we have to do it we're going to limit ourselves to membership with other high wire academic schools that feel the same way."
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Post by 93beav on Aug 28, 2023 13:02:58 GMT -8
Geee, what could possibly go wrong with this idea? Every time I think the realignment saga couldn't get any dumber, it does. How does swapping out 1 to 2 hour flights for your athletes, for 6 or 7 hours flights, for less money make any sense under any circumstance. Is your academic standing so precious to you that you are willing to forego any amount of common sense or fundamental math? For such "smart schools" they are the dumbest bunch in the lot. I kind of, sort of, in a very revealing act of hubris, understand why the wine and cheese crowd at Furd want this, but what in the hell is Cal thinking? They should just put a gun to their own head at this point. Frankly, I think the ACC is doing OSU and WSU a favor. Bay area schools are poison. Cal isn't thinking, they're letting others do the thinking. They're so far underwater in debt, they're grasping at any money but for some reason seem to think rather than get a $15 million media deal (which is plausible), to go for $30 in 10 years. Reading the Cal message boards the past few weeks, they are right up in there in the elitism department. I saw one poster say that if Cal fell to the AAC, they'd bar their kid from enrolling at Cal. Like, WTH? BTW, you don't hold a meeting unless you have the votes. So I guess tomorrow will be a brand new day for OSU/WSU to start a conference.
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