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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 17, 2023 15:54:59 GMT -8
I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). I believe Stanford has won the Director's Cup 26 of the last 29 years. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 17, 2023 15:57:55 GMT -8
I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). Stanford has won 26 out of the last 29 Director's cups. They are the number one school in the nation in producing Olympic athletes. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 16:06:36 GMT -8
I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). I believe Stanford has won the Director's Cup 26 of the last 29 years. True. Without looking in guessing almost totally based on what we used to call "country club" sports. Some classified as "Olympic". But, to the previous poster you quoted, media giants don't care about athletic endowments or Director's Cups. And, to be wanted means the media entity in charge must want you. Or the other universities do so badly they are willing to give up $. Not happening or it would have already. Stanford is elite in almost every fashion, EXCEPT even in their TV market they aren't a large draw. Stanford will only be added if the media entity in charge (B10 or ACC) will pony up another share. Even though I don't care and it would not happen. I'd love for Fox to say we'll add Stanford if the other newcomers (UW & UO) take less! |
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Post by ftd on Aug 17, 2023 16:36:22 GMT -8
regarding 'furd gostanford.com/index.aspxClick on Men's sports and Women's sports They have a ton of teams...Can't recall the last time ESPN broadcast the Stanford fencing team,.... It's all about football and Hoops..and eyes on the old boob tube |
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Post by grayman on Aug 17, 2023 16:44:47 GMT -8
I'm wondering what OSU/Barnes is really waiting for as far as what will happen with Stanford and Cal.
The whole Pac-AAC-MWC merger is probably a stronger possibility if OSU and WSU are joined by Stanford and Cal.
But even if they join the ACC, does that really mean that OSU and WSU can't pull off the new Pac anyway? It would still be a better situation for all involved and actually would allow for some other schools to move up on the consideration list without Stanford's input.
Again, I think Barnes is still working toward the Big 12 but is keeping all options open. And that's really why they have to wait to see what happens with Stanford and Cal.
I guess we'll find out Friday.
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 17, 2023 17:47:34 GMT -8
Maybe, just maybe, Stanford, the smarty school has actually considered the impact on ALL sports, paying more attention to the ones they are so dominant at. Plus the moneys not that good in the ACC. Speaking of money, Cal athletics is strapped. They may think there’s a better deal coming by staying in the PAC. After a flurry of seeming knee-jerk reactions, the story seems to be emerging that the deal GK put out to the PAC was pretty good. The Power players have left, but maybe there’s a deal out there between the Bigs and the MWC that works.
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Post by 93beav on Aug 17, 2023 19:18:06 GMT -8
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 17, 2023 20:42:40 GMT -8
If Stanford is willing to fly their teams to the east coast week after week for no money, why the hell don't they join the Ivy League?
That's just stupid. During basketball season, the usual format is that, during conference play, the men are home while the women are away, and next week it's reversed. So, every week during January and February, some Stanford basketball team is flying cross country and back. I just don't see it.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 20:51:23 GMT -8
If Stanford is willing to fly their teams to the east coast week after week for no money, why the hell don't they join the Ivy League? That's just stupid. During basketball season, the usual format is that, during conference play, the men are home while the women are away, and next week it's reversed. So, every week during January and February, some Stanford basketball team is flying cross country and back. I just don't see it. Especially when their admin wanted to cut 11 of those "smaller" sports at the end of '21 season. Now they said it was pandemic related. Ok, so now you just suddenly want to use the endowment to pay for the entire athletic department and a huge travel increase. Then try to justify the elitist academic profile and the focus on doing what's best for the student athletes!? Hmmmm... something doesn't fit. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 17, 2023 20:52:25 GMT -8
If Stanford is that desperate then oh well. I don't think it will sit very well in the future, especially if they go with no payout for several years. The cost of flying that far will be extremely expensive. I wonder if Cal would be willing to go that route? They are really running a huge deficit according to the media.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 21:02:55 GMT -8
If Stanford is that desperate then oh well. I don't think it will sit very well in the future, especially if they go with no payout for several years. The cost of flying that far will be extremely expensive. I wonder if Cal would be willing to go that route? They are really running a huge deficit according to the media. And, Cal has to answer to the State of California. Can't see how they can incur more debt. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 18, 2023 7:13:42 GMT -8
I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. Virginia cannot go anywhere without Va Tech. The State of Virginia passed legislation that they cannot be split up. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 18, 2023 7:30:51 GMT -8
I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. Virginia cannot go anywhere without Va Tech. The State of Virginia passed legislation that they cannot be split up. I remember not so long ago Beaver fans mocking me for saying the Pac 12 was on the brink of collapse and all the national journos reporting it were complete hacks. Also, Florida State will leave the ACC unless it gets what it wants. The will find away around the GOR |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 18, 2023 7:41:32 GMT -8
OK. I thought they actually passed formal legislation. Doesn't look like that happened. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Aug 18, 2023 12:57:56 GMT -8
If Stanford is that desperate then oh well. I don't think it will sit very well in the future, especially if they go with no payout for several years. The cost of flying that far will be extremely expensive. I wonder if Cal would be willing to go that route? They are really running a huge deficit according to the media. And, Cal has to answer to the State of California. Can't see how they can incur more debt. Would that be the same state of California that is spending $100 billion or so on a bullet train from Visalia to Merced (or some such Valley towns)? Spending money foolishly is the state's unofficial religion. |
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