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Post by orangeattack on Aug 17, 2023 10:06:13 GMT -8
Well... we could be joining the MW by the weekend if Stanford can buy their way (and Cal's) into the ACC. It still just blows my mind that there isn't even a Western pod with that arrangement. They are seriously going to fly everyone out to the East coast vs being in a conference with us. I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 17, 2023 10:31:39 GMT -8
Well... we could be joining the MW by the weekend if Stanford can buy their way (and Cal's) into the ACC. It still just blows my mind that there isn't even a Western pod with that arrangement. They are seriously going to fly everyone out to the East coast vs being in a conference with us. I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. It seems that they only want them if they can also get Notre Dame.....weird. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 17, 2023 10:39:53 GMT -8
They may have to have taken 11 just to get enough votes to dissolve the conference. Even if 7 or 8 votes dissolves it, could there be a few schools with alliances that might have confused it - I'm not going unless you include my buddy type of thing. I haven't seen anything else pop up on this prospective deal. Could be a whole not of nothing. The Pac12 survives as long as there are 6 member schools. However, if it dissolves, the remaining schools who did not exit will receive all the exit fees from the teams who left. I am assuming that the same scenario would apply here, it would require all 11 schools to leave the conference at the same time so that there are is no recipient left for the exit fees. There are no “exit fees” for teams that leave after this season. Also, if the conference dissolves, all of the residual post season units would go to the teams that earned them instead of the conference. So, hole, sc, etc. are all hoping the conference dissolves. That is also the reason that we want the conference to survive. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 10:55:28 GMT -8
I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. It seems that they only want them if they can also get Notre Dame.....weird. And, it really comes down to Fox wanting them. If they aren't going to pony up the extra dollars B10 members aren't going to share what they are getting. And, Cal truly can't afford to travel and take a partial share. But, really Stanford would be a joke in the B10 in terms of the revenue sports. They would be bottom tier in both MBB and football. And, with Tara nearing the end of her career I could see WBB taking a dive too. Other than having their own money, they don't draw home fans except for one or two games per year and the cost for their Olympic sports to travel would be prohibitive. Most do not realize that Stanford sponsors as many Men's sports as OSU does TOTAL. They field (16) Men's and I think (20) Women's sports. Many are not necessarily conference affiliated, but still have to be funded... or at least after their last attempt at cuts, probable will be?! Cal... fields (27) sports... 13 Men, 14 Women. The weird thing about all these "super" conferences, they really are not a conference. In football a 18 team conference will not play every member for 6+ years. Longer if traditional rivalry games are maintained. I'm not sure how you can claim to be a conference champ, even with a title game, with such skewed scheduling. Other than the $$, the bottom tier teams are just fodder for the top tier teams to add easy W's within conference play. And, truly there are only (2) super conferences being built... SEC & B10. The ACC and B12 as they stand are far inferior overall, and the top teams in each would bolt if they could. There are so many twists, turns, and possibilities it is really a never ending conversation for years to come. My hope would be that someday there will be NCAA football where OSU will participate, and then a 24, 32, to 48 team "media league"... the major linear TV moguls can fight it out over. Where NIL, TV $$ allow the inmates to run wild. While the NCAA actually becomes what it was supposed to be and the NCAA conferences adhere to the concept of "student athletes" and have ground rules/enforcement (maybe less is needed if the keeping up with the Jones's is gone??) that allows for a more amateur system. There will still be plenty of media time available for the NCAA conferences and a shared system media $ with NCAA "bonuses" for post season play/success that brings in more $. Maybe even more of a FCS type format with a combo of conference title games leading to a 16 team playoff. Ok... day dream over... |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 17, 2023 11:00:26 GMT -8
They may have to have taken 11 just to get enough votes to dissolve the conference. Even if 7 or 8 votes dissolves it, could there be a few schools with alliances that might have confused it - I'm not going unless you include my buddy type of thing. I haven't seen anything else pop up on this prospective deal. Could be a whole not of nothing. The Pac12 survives as long as there are 6 member schools. However, if it dissolves, the remaining schools who did not exit will receive all the exit fees from the teams who left. I am assuming that the same scenario would apply here, it would require all 11 schools to leave the conference at the same time so that there are is no recipient left for the exit fees. My take on it is the final members only get to keep and share the disbursements IF there is a PAC conference in 2025. Otherwise, everyone jumped ship so everyone gets to figure it out. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 11:10:42 GMT -8
The Pac12 survives as long as there are 6 member schools. However, if it dissolves, the remaining schools who did not exit will receive all the exit fees from the teams who left. I am assuming that the same scenario would apply here, it would require all 11 schools to leave the conference at the same time so that there are is no recipient left for the exit fees. My take on it is the final members only get to keep and share the disbursements IF there is a PAC conference in 2025. Otherwise, everyone jumped ship so everyone gets to figure it out. The disbursements are a annual/rolling amount of units over the past 6 years. There needs to be a Pac12 by 2024... as there will be disbursements made for the '24-25 season. The actual the date will precede the Fall sports season and all that is being determined by lawyers and accounts now. But, all of that and a media deal needs to be finalized as budgets and schedules need to be done/revamped. It is a mess. But, I can tell you university legal teams are doing as much work as the Pac12 legal team. The "traitors" will try to keep any and all $$ they think they deserve. The Pac12 will try to keep every $ of disbursements, deferred CFP $$, etc. Then comes the maybe even more/related aspect... who actually has voting/decision rights for this season moving forward. I can't imagine that there will be lawsuits, maybe multiple by each school leaving. And, unless the Pac12 wins and has legal/court costs included there could be very little money left. And, what is, will not be available for years. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 17, 2023 11:16:07 GMT -8
My take on it is the final members only get to keep and share the disbursements IF there is a PAC conference in 2025. Otherwise, everyone jumped ship so everyone gets to figure it out. The disbursements are a annual/rolling amount of units over the past 6 years. There needs to be a Pac12 by 2024... as there will be disbursements made for the '24-25 season. The actual the date will precede the Fall sports season and all that is being determined by lawyers and accounts now. But, all of that and a media deal needs to be finalized as budgets and schedules need to be done/revamped. It is a mess. But, I can tell you university legal teams are doing as much work as the Pac12 legal team. The "traitors" will try to keep any and all $$ they think they deserve. The Pac12 will try to keep every $ of disbursements, deferred CFP $$, etc. Then comes the maybe even more/related aspect... who actually has voting/decision rights for this season moving forward. I can't imagine that there will be lawsuits, maybe multiple by each school leaving. And, unless the Pac12 wins and has legal/court costs included there could be very little money left. And, what is, will not be available for years. My understanding is that the 8 who left no longer have voting rights. If Stanford and Cal leave, that leaves OSU/WSU with the only voting rights. Don't forget there was the discussion a few weeks ago about "damages" that remaining members could try and get from exiting members. There are multiple avenues to get money, but it may not not be enough to do anything with. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 17, 2023 11:19:37 GMT -8
The disbursements are a annual/rolling amount of units over the past 6 years. There needs to be a Pac12 by 2024... as there will be disbursements made for the '24-25 season. The actual the date will precede the Fall sports season and all that is being determined by lawyers and accounts now. But, all of that and a media deal needs to be finalized as budgets and schedules need to be done/revamped. It is a mess. But, I can tell you university legal teams are doing as much work as the Pac12 legal team. The "traitors" will try to keep any and all $$ they think they deserve. The Pac12 will try to keep every $ of disbursements, deferred CFP $$, etc. Then comes the maybe even more/related aspect... who actually has voting/decision rights for this season moving forward. I can't imagine that there will be lawsuits, maybe multiple by each school leaving. And, unless the Pac12 wins and has legal/court costs included there could be very little money left. And, what is, will not be available for years. My understanding is that the 8 who left no longer have voting rights. If Stanford and Cal leave, that leaves OSU/WSU with the only voting rights. Don't forget there was the discussion a few weeks ago about "damages" that remaining members could try and get from exiting members. There are multiple avenues to get money, but it may not not be enough to do anything with. All being researched. No one really knows until all the finances and conference dox are gone over with a fine tooth comb. And, even then there will be disagreements. Right now the (4) Presidents/ADs are in a wait and see mode for legal ramifications and verification. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 17, 2023 11:32:09 GMT -8
Well... we could be joining the MW by the weekend if Stanford can buy their way (and Cal's) into the ACC. It still just blows my mind that there isn't even a Western pod with that arrangement. They are seriously going to fly everyone out to the East coast vs being in a conference with us. I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 17, 2023 11:59:03 GMT -8
I don't understand why it is that the Big 10 doesn't want them. They could create a west division with 6 teams that would alleviate a lot of the travel requirements and would give them essentially a stranglehold on the West Coast. I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 17, 2023 12:05:42 GMT -8
Supposedly there will be one of these famous votes on Calford to ACC tomorrow. They don't hold a vote unless they have the votes.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 17, 2023 12:19:53 GMT -8
My take on it is the final members only get to keep and share the disbursements IF there is a PAC conference in 2025. Otherwise, everyone jumped ship so everyone gets to figure it out. The disbursements are a annual/rolling amount of units over the past 6 years. There needs to be a Pac12 by 2024... as there will be disbursements made for the '24-25 season. The actual the date will precede the Fall sports season and all that is being determined by lawyers and accounts now. But, all of that and a media deal needs to be finalized as budgets and schedules need to be done/revamped. It is a mess. But, I can tell you university legal teams are doing as much work as the Pac12 legal team. The "traitors" will try to keep any and all $$ they think they deserve. The Pac12 will try to keep every $ of disbursements, deferred CFP $$, etc. Then comes the maybe even more/related aspect... who actually has voting/decision rights for this season moving forward. I can't imagine that there will be lawsuits, maybe multiple by each school leaving. And, unless the Pac12 wins and has legal/court costs included there could be very little money left. And, what is, will not be available for years. Oops, I skipped over a year, meant '24. I agree with you on all of that. I kinda assume getting the conference situation figured out (other than the lawsuits) will get done fairly quickly as there would be lots of pressure to have time to plan for next year. I figure by labor day the Pac Whatever conference is either dead or new teams have been announced. I could easily be wrong, but I imagine there's a ton of incentive to get 'er done, no matter how it turns out. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 17, 2023 14:12:38 GMT -8
I'm guessing the core Big 10 teams don't want the threat of traveling west, and why make it easier on the four WC teams. Make them take 3 or 4 trips east every year! Also, there are better programs (at least footballwise) to absorb in the ACC if/when they break up. Although I hear Virginia is high on their list. I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). It is interesting they took UW over Stanford. Washington has had basically 2 really good years of football and a whole bunch of mediocre and bad years. Oregon is a national brand with a sugar daddy..I get them. Huskies not so much. Maybe it's a ploy to lure ND |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 17, 2023 14:23:47 GMT -8
I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). It is interesting they took UW over Stanford. Washington has had basically 2 really good years of football and a whole bunch of mediocre and bad years. Oregon is a national brand with a sugar daddy..I get them. Huskies not so much. Maybe it's a ploy to lure ND Huskies have a lot more eyeballs than Stanford even though they are in a smaller media market. Look in the stands at a Husky home game versus a Stanford game. Stanford alums are too cool to care about foosball. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 17, 2023 14:35:00 GMT -8
I understand not being interested in Cal just for face value, but Stanford has the third-largest athletics endowment in the nation and the football program has been a fair bit of a powerhouse for a decade. They JUST won the 2022-2023 Director's Cup (top athletics department in the country). It is interesting they took UW over Stanford. Washington has had basically 2 really good years of football and a whole bunch of mediocre and bad years. Oregon is a national brand with a sugar daddy..I get them. Huskies not so much. Maybe it's a ploy to lure ND Washington is in Seattle and controls that market. Stanford has rich fans but not nearly as many. Plus, the Big Ten wants a rivalry package, so they have a game that they can throw together in November and make sure that a ton of people tune in. Notre Dame is trying like hell to get Stanford in the ACC, because they love their rivalries with Stanford and USC. Their only bigger rival is Navy. If the Big Ten just invited Stanford, they'd have Notre Dame's second- and third-biggest rivals. That might make Notre Dame fold and join the Big Ten. I have heard that the old guard class of Notre Dame leadership who champion the whole independent at all costs mantra is dying out. After they do die out, expect Notre Dame to make a move to the Big Ten. |
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