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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 3, 2023 12:37:45 GMT -8
Yeah... like the fan base and their social media posts determines conference commissioners/boards to invite teams!? LOL Yeah... "us" damn fans if we'd just have given a damn for the last ?? years Larry and George wouldn't even have a job. OSU would be headed to the B10 before USC and UCLA and be collecting $40+ mil/year (although I think they get a partial share for a time?). And of course, if your personal resume isn't up to snuff what do you know anyway. Hmmmm... oh ya, 1995? That's still in "rookie" territory compared to me and most of those I know. So, I'm going to say most of us know a little about being an OSU fan, not to mention the reality of what input fans have in whole conference realignment fiasco. Maybe if every fan in the Oregon TV market bought an extra 3-4 TVs and had them tuned to Pac12 football nonstop... and maybe all have several social media accounts and had a bot to constantly post Pac12 blurbs??? Yeah... guess not. Having a presence on social media is the same as putting your starting QB on a billboard in NYC advertising a Heisman campaign. Like them or not, Oregon fans have the same market issue as Oregon State, but their public brand is tied to Nike and their marketing antics to get their name out there. What did Oregon State do to try and manufacture their brand?
In my BA381 class here at OSU, FYI, I'm 36 years old, I'm just new to this board. So there is that. We listened to an hour long podcast on Influence from a psychological perspective when it comes to selling. There are 7 principals:
Reciprocity, Likability, Social Proof, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment & Consistency, and Unity
Likability - It's easier to sell your brand to others if you get them to like you. To do this in sports is controlling what you can control. Money; Being Relevant in Facilities, accolades, etc;
Social Proof is the main one I'm talking about, though. The definition is as follows: Perceptions of all surroundings didn't make difference only difference was seeing the mob mentality of others doing it, so, therefore I must do it. If the mob mentality, meaning the fans of other conferences have a negative or indifferent perception of Oregon State, then why would the conference bring Oregon State into their conference when an Oregon or Washington will get the conference fans fired up to get their butts in the seats.
Can you condense all that into a point? Because I have no idea what you’re talking about. Maybe I should have gone to business school. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 3, 2023 12:45:30 GMT -8
Our TV market size is not defined by Corvallis. Yes and no. It is because if Corvallis had a million people there would be many more viewers that would be interested in watching Oregon State. Because Corvallis is comparatively very small it is fighting for a market share of the area's biggest city, Portland. The problem is that Portland is mostly an Oregon market (that also goes for most of the rest of the state) and will continue to be so no matter where UO and OSU land. But yeah, the TV slot your games get affects viewership as does the network. So does your opponent. If the Beavers were to play at Alabama (especially early in the season) the game would no doubt land a great slot and bigger broadcast network. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2023 12:57:47 GMT -8
Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland and Ohio all have one major public university playing P5 football. So of course they have larger fanbases.
Eliminate UO or OSU. If our state had just one P5 football team, it would be very good, and have a much larger fan base than either team has on its own.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 3, 2023 13:05:52 GMT -8
Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland and Ohio all have one major public university playing P5 football. So of course they have larger fanbases. Eliminate UO or OSU. If our state had just one P5 football team, it would be very good, and have a much larger fan base than either team has on its own. That's a really interesting point you make here, although Ohio will soon have two. But yeah, I'm all for moving Eugene to the Midwest or rust belt. |
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Post by nebraskabeav on Aug 3, 2023 13:13:20 GMT -8
Unfortunately fans' social media is not the same as putting your QB up on a bill board. Fan's generally are not the responsible parties for corporate ads. The ad was a NIKE ad. It may have been viewed by fans, but may have not changed any fans view of a conference. In fact those who are anti-Nike may have had the opposite response. "Because Beavers fans DO NOT know that their fan influence on social media, putting butts in the seats whether the product is Gary Anderson or Jonathan Smith."It just isn't so... Agreed, I don't get the whole "lets blame fans for all of this" while letting the athletic department off the hook like some have here. Some fans did create some of the negative perceptions. I don't think fans posting the whole Riley "lunch bucket" moniker at that time sells that well outside of the state of Oregon. We may have understood it but in other areas, not so much. Doesn't matter anymore. It will turn out the way it will turn out. no point in clogging up the chat board with venting incoherent thoughts. We have 24 hours or so until the Apple deal expires. So we'll know what happens in 24 hours. |
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Post by rob85 on Aug 3, 2023 13:15:34 GMT -8
I'm one of the people who voted to be done with college athletics in general. To be clear, my interest in college athletics has been dying for years, this would just be what stops me from watching anything, going forward.
I don't watch men's basketball because of the scattershot, individualistic approach to offense. I don't watch non-OSU football because I lose interest and fall asleep. The recent level of transfers and poor implementation of NIL has killed my interest. If I want to watch pro ball, the NFL is a much more honest approach and a lot easier to find on my tv.
I'm going to the SDSU game, and I'm certain it will be my last. I'm 61, have back and knee issues, and I live 2.5 hours away by car, at best. 5 hours of driving, with 4 hours of hard seats, just can't do it. Also not happy with the drunk fans that I often find myself among.
I don't blame OSU, in whole or in its parts for my loss of interest. They are stuck in a system where the inmates are running the asylum.
So there is is. I will probably listen on the radio.
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 3, 2023 13:25:11 GMT -8
The interesting part will be that if uw and uo get invited to the Big 10, will the Oregon and Washington State legislatures let them leave? There has been a lot of discussion in both states about keeping the schools together in the same conference.
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 3, 2023 13:35:11 GMT -8
The interesting part will be that if uw and uo get invited to the Big 10, will the Oregon and Washington State legislatures let them leave? There has been a lot of discussion in both states about keeping the schools together in the same conference. OSU does have clout in Salem. Biggest example is winning the Cascades campus in Bend. That was a head to head political competition with uo. And they’re still smarting over that. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 3, 2023 13:42:46 GMT -8
Saying schools like Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, etc. have been successful MWC programs actually works against the idea that OSU joining is automatically going to put the Beavers at or near the top of the heap. Say OSU and WSU join the MWC. Corvallis (60,199) has more population than Logan, Utah (58,159), Laramie (32,363) and Pullman (32,869). There's a huge separation between the others and the above four cities. San Diego (1.39 million), San Jose (994,272), Las Vegas (660,769), Albuquerque (572,864), Fresno (549,702), Colorado Springs (492,353), Reno (274,602), Boise (240,393), Fort Collins (167,554). So TV market size would still be a very real issue. Facilities? Yeah, OSU would be fine. But not really superior. San Diego State just opened a new stadium in 2022. San Jose State is opening a $57 million Athletics Center (currently under construction) along with stadium renovations. Colorado State opened a new stadium in 2017. Boise State has stadium upgrades underway. Fresno State has announced a $250 million project that includes a major stadium renovation. UNLV now plays in Allegiant Stadium. Nevada finish major stadium renovations in 2016. Utah State's stadium is undergoing some renovations. Wyoming is set for major renovations. New Mexico had recent upgrades. It shows the MWC as a whole is proactive when it comes to sports. In a sense, that is a positive if OSU lands there. But it won't make anything come easy. If OSU was able to find a way to keep Smith and his staff, then football would continue to be strong, IMO. But that will take a lot of money and that's something that will be much harder to come by. And there's no factual evidence to point to that would support the idea that OSU will be in a better position to make money than most of the other MWC schools. I'm expecting a good season this year, and if we can keep the coaching staff and players together for next year I bet the money will be found and it'll be a great year. After that there could be attrition if money doesn't keep coming in. We'll still be that smallish college town, smaller than most in it's league. Do well this year and great (make the playoffs) the next year and there will be a growing number of fans getting more excited. Hopefully it'd transfer into enough excitement to keep money coming in. The problem that could happen down the line would be if Smith leaves and another Anderson type debacle occurs, that could be tougher to climb out of. We're on a roll, sustain it. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 3, 2023 13:55:30 GMT -8
First of all the Boise State model is dated. Modern football reality check, they went 8-0 in the MWC and ended up in the prestigious Miami Beach Bowl against North Texas.The Mountain West scenario absolutely SUCKS, unless Cal and Stanford also get stuck, then it only "sucks" perhaps. One traditional rivalry game a year, and that's two thirds of the 2023 schedule. No football revenue and all that entails. Forget women's hoops (men's too), it will be impossible to recruit. Forget paying FCS teams to come and play, on the contrary, this will bring back body bag games. We have our best ever (or at least since Prothro), coach but we won't be able to pay him even what he makes now. Guys like Chiles sticking around? The coordinators. Our coaches will be completely poached after this season. The transfer portal will have a special section for OSU. Baseball surviving at a national power level? Dream on. At least I made it into my seventies before the whole thing fell apart, I expected it sometime last century. And, if this happens I don't ever want to play the ucks again. NEVER! And, maybe worst of all, the effing blue turf every other year? And NEVER play Oregon again. Having them go up to the Big10 while we descend to the MWC is way too much for me to swallow. This truly is a "Little brother" scenario. And I don't think we're a lock to do well in the MWC if we lose Smith. Historically we haven't had the greatest track record for hiring coaches. And our main advantage over schools like Fresno State, San Diego State, and others from larger demographic areas, has been our Pac12 affililation. Was it Brandon Kipper who said, after the USC game, that he had been waiting all his life to play in a game like that? Didn't say the same after the Fresno game. Recruiting wise, we'll be standing in line behind Fresno and Boise. What if we went independent? Could we schedule enough body bag games to make up the whopping 4 million in MWC TV payout? We would have to be on the road a lot. Don't have the stadium capacity for a gate sufficient to entice anyone of consequence. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 3, 2023 14:05:17 GMT -8
First of all the Boise State model is dated. Modern football reality check, they went 8-0 in the MWC and ended up in the prestigious Miami Beach Bowl against North Texas.The Mountain West scenario absolutely SUCKS, unless Cal and Stanford also get stuck, then it only "sucks" perhaps. One traditional rivalry game a year, and that's two thirds of the 2023 schedule. No football revenue and all that entails. Forget women's hoops (men's too), it will be impossible to recruit. Forget paying FCS teams to come and play, on the contrary, this will bring back body bag games. We have our best ever (or at least since Prothro), coach but we won't be able to pay him even what he makes now. Guys like Chiles sticking around? The coordinators. Our coaches will be completely poached after this season. The transfer portal will have a special section for OSU. Baseball surviving at a national power level? Dream on. At least I made it into my seventies before the whole thing fell apart, I expected it sometime last century. And, if this happens I don't ever want to play the ucks again. NEVER! And, maybe worst of all, the effing blue turf every other year? And NEVER play Oregon again. Having them go up to the Big10 while we descend to the MWC is way too much for me to swallow. This truly is a "Little brother" scenario. And I don't think we're a lock to do well in the MWC if we lose Smith. Historically we haven't had the greatest track record for hiring coaches. And our main advantage over schools like Fresno State, San Diego State, and others from larger demographic areas, has been our Pac12 affililation. Was it Brandon Kipper who said, after the USC game, that he had been waiting all his life to play in a game like that? Didn't say the same after the Fresno game. Recruiting wise, we'll be standing in line behind Fresno and Boise. What if we went independent? Could we schedule enough body bag games to make up the whopping 4 million in MWC TV payout? We would have to be on the road a lot. Don't have the stadium capacity for a gate sufficient to entice anyone of consequence. Our Pac-12 affiliation is the ONLY reason. More money, better ability to recruit, etc. Look, I don't think OSU joining the MWC would be the end of the world. And I'm sure the MWC is probably looking at expansion as something that needs to happen sooner or later, so if it can bring in a few Pac teams, then that's probably a good thing from their perspective. Not sure how those schools would see adding just OSU and WSU, though. Anyway, it's a solid conference even if it's technically a "step down." But that doesn't mean that it's going to be any easier for OSU to succeed once there. |
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Post by castorcanadensis on Aug 3, 2023 14:25:45 GMT -8
So is our first game this year a conference game with San Jose?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2023 15:29:36 GMT -8
Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland and Ohio all have one major public university playing P5 football. So of course they have larger fanbases. Eliminate UO or OSU. If our state had just one P5 football team, it would be very good, and have a much larger fan base than either team has on its own. That's a really interesting point you make here, although Ohio will soon have two. But yeah, I'm all for moving Eugene to the Midwest or rust belt. True. Except in Ohio, NO ONE ever will consider Cincinnati to be Ohio State's equal. No one. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 3, 2023 15:44:59 GMT -8
And NEVER play Oregon again. Having them go up to the Big10 while we descend to the MWC is way too much for me to swallow. This truly is a "Little brother" scenario. And I don't think we're a lock to do well in the MWC if we lose Smith. Historically we haven't had the greatest track record for hiring coaches. And our main advantage over schools like Fresno State, San Diego State, and others from larger demographic areas, has been our Pac12 affililation. Was it Brandon Kipper who said, after the USC game, that he had been waiting all his life to play in a game like that? Didn't say the same after the Fresno game. Recruiting wise, we'll be standing in line behind Fresno and Boise. What if we went independent? Could we schedule enough body bag games to make up the whopping 4 million in MWC TV payout? We would have to be on the road a lot. Don't have the stadium capacity for a gate sufficient to entice anyone of consequence. Our Pac-12 affiliation is the ONLY reason. More money, better ability to recruit, etc. Look, I don't think OSU joining the MWC would be the end of the world. And I'm sure the MWC is probably looking at expansion as something that needs to happen sooner or later, so if it can bring in a few Pac teams, then that's probably a good thing from their perspective. Not sure how those schools would see adding just OSU and WSU, though. Anyway, it's a solid conference even if it's technically a "step down." But that doesn't mean that it's going to be any easier for OSU to succeed once there. Its the worst possible situation: a minor league in terms of reputation but has some teams that, on a given day can play with nearly anyone. So, doing well there doesn't mean much ("Its the MWC") while not doing well means you're really irrelevant. Money wise, it doesn't pay much but includes a hefty buyout penalty. |
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Post by hawksea on Aug 3, 2023 16:01:49 GMT -8
I voted to be done with college athletics in general, but I will still go to OSU baseball games (only decent baseball in Oregon), and watch football on TV and try to go to a game per year like usual. But I will not watch any other college athletics games, read any articles, or give any money/ratings numbers to any college sporting event outside of OSU. I already have reduced significantly, given that it is becoming more of a minor league system instead of amateur athletics that is about rivalry and supporting kids. Pro sports are much higher quality, and I would rather watch the best product than minor leagues on TV.
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