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Post by gotmilk on Aug 3, 2023 9:21:28 GMT -8
It’ll be fine. MWC gets 4 mil/team.
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Post by beav74 on Aug 3, 2023 9:22:18 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 3, 2023 9:22:44 GMT -8
Yet you’re not livid with Barnes or the past OSU President and blame the fans. That is interesting. There a lot of blame to point fingers at and fans probably shouldn't be at the top of the list, yet currently 20 of the 55 who've responded to the poll have said they're going to quit on college athletics, which in turn basically means quitting on the Beavs. All because of a league change. Now I'm not thinking 35% of our fans are going to quit, but some may actually do that and there will likely be a lot of grumbling, that doesn't really do the team any good. Nebraskabeav lives in the mid-west, and if it's anything like when I used to spend part of my summers in Holdrege and Panama (one about 160 miles from Lincoln and the other about 18, fans here have no concept of how crazy football mania is in other parts of the country. Panama had no downtown in the late 60's and 70's, but in Holdrege, 160 miles away, it seemed 2 out of every 3 storefronts had "Go Big Red" and some football related display... and this was in June and July. Meanwhile in Corvallis from 1976 when I arrived until I left in '98 there were limited downtown displays, and relatively few of the local residents wore OSU gear. I'm thinking that when the Beavs started going to bowls a lot of that changed, because when I came back in 2013 I was now seeing a lot of support around town... but still nothing like I remember in Nebraska. Other parts of the country do have more rabid fan bases. When I lived in Hawaii, I may have seen Beaver gear a handful of times, I saw dux gear a lot. Sad. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 3, 2023 9:24:20 GMT -8
The way its structured its the top 6 conference champions...with what looks like one less conference. I'd argue OSU has a far better chance making the college football playoffs playing a MWC schedule. OSU will be 2-0 against that conference by October  ...this years team might very well go undefeated playing the rest of its schedule against the MWC. Except with the move to the MWC money would quickly dry up and recruiting and keeping coaches would take a major hit. Yet Boise State and SDSU have found a way to stay relevant. Heck both have better hoops programs than OSU by far. Yes it's f%#*ing awful. No it's not the end of the world for Beaver football. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 3, 2023 9:39:56 GMT -8
The so-called "losers" should get together and form their own conference. Us, Wazzu, UNC, NCSU, Duke, Kansas, Iowa State, Penn State and Wisconsin would be a nice start. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 3, 2023 9:41:21 GMT -8
If we get demoted, I'm done with college athletics. It's a crime. We have quality teams (now) and are a Power 5 team. There's no reason either WSU or OSU should be left behind. If we are, then it's clear that college athletics is moving in a direction that I'm no longer interested in. How can you support that insanity? Love OSU 'til I die. But maybe I'll look for other ways to show it. The past 5 years, I have only really given my attention to Oregon State Athletics, Pac-12 Athletics, and Husker Football. I will now Only be watching EVERY Oregon State athletic event this season on the Pac-12 and other networks. After this season, if Oregon State and Washington State are demoted to the MWC, then I will only watch Oregon State, MWC home games. I am not sure boycotting is the right move in this instance, but perhaps if the entire country this season made a point to watch Oregon State on CBS, FS1, ESPN, etc. then we would show leaving us out in the cold is a slap in the face.
I am beyond disappointed with the leadership of George Kliavkoff, but I'm more dissappointed for fans saying last season, "Well, we'll have the nicest stadium in the MWC in 2024." That is exactly why Oregon State's brand is looked at as non-existent! Because Beavers fans DO NOT know that their fan influence on social media, putting butts in the seats whether the product is Gary Anderson or Jonathan Smith. We as fans preach, "It's all about the kids!" Is it though? Seems like Oregon State has a fair weather fan problem while Oregon has a bandwagon fan problem.
Oregon State fits and belongs in the Big XII, but because Oregon State fans didn't voice that for the past year to year and a half, we aren't being considered per sports media pundits. Oregon screamed, kicked, yelled, tweeted, memed and did everything they could as a "rabid" fan base to will themselves to get a bid from BOTH Big XII and B1G. We have a business marketing program for goodness sakes, do we not know how to get our fans to become influencers on Twitter and other social media to take pride in the university? Maybe Oregon State should have a minor program teaching students how to become influencers and have internships for becoming an influencer on social media?
I'm off my soap box now, but I am livid at our fan base for not doing more to showcase we belong in the Big XII, because we absolutely do belong.
We don’t belong in the Big 12. We belong in the Pac 12. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 3, 2023 9:56:11 GMT -8
I'll keep using Gonzaga and Boise State as examples that going to a MWC type conference alignment is not a death penalty. Both have some large disadvantages compared to OSU. In fact, Boise State is one school that would hate to see OSU as a conference member... especially in football.
Everyone knows the heights of Zag MBB. But they also field good WBB and baseball programs for the overall resources they have, and have a nice roster of programs overall. But, speaking to just football, the Boise State has proven the MWC doe snot mean you have to be on the outside looking in at the Top 25 and a possible CFP playoff spot. If OSU is a CFP Top 12 it will be in. OSU can supplement it's conference schedule how it see fit to make that happen. OSU has far more advantages as a MWC member than it has as a Pac9 member if winning a conference is the goal with the addition of a strong NC schedule.
Not many Pac12 teams can say that since 1998, under (5) different coaches:
- 6-5 is the worst record
- (10) AP pre-season rankings
- (13) AP final poll rankings... 4th thru 23rd
- (5) CFP poll rankings
- (20) bowl games, (16) consecutive, 13-7 record
- (6) 10-win seasons... each coach has had at least one
- (3) 11-win seasons
- (6) 12-win seasons
- (2) 13-win seasons
- (1) 14-win season
- (2) undefeated seasons
Since CP left:
- (0) losing seasons
- 7-5 is the worst season
- (6) 10+ win seasons out of 9
The MWC is not the ideal situation, but it is better than some of the other possibilities. AND... it would not be the end of OSU as a football program. It would take some creativity, fund raising, and cuts.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 3, 2023 10:09:40 GMT -8
Yet you’re not livid with Barnes or the past OSU President and blame the fans. That is interesting. There a lot of blame to point fingers at and fans probably shouldn't be at the top of the list, yet currently 20 of the 55 who've responded to the poll have said they're going to quit on college athletics, which in turn basically means quitting on the Beavs. All because of a league change. Now I'm not thinking 35% of our fans are going to quit, but some may actually do that and there will likely be a lot of grumbling, that doesn't really do the team any good. Nebraskabeav lives in the mid-west, and if it's anything like when I used to spend part of my summers in Holdrege and Panama (one about 160 miles from Lincoln and the other about 18, fans here have no concept of how crazy football mania is in other parts of the country. Panama had no downtown in the late 60's and 70's, but in Holdrege, 160 miles away, it seemed 2 out of every 3 storefronts had "Go Big Red" and some football related display... and this was in June and July. Meanwhile in Corvallis from 1976 when I arrived until I left in '98 there were limited downtown displays, and relatively few of the local residents wore OSU gear. I'm thinking that when the Beavs started going to bowls a lot of that changed, because when I came back in 2013 I was now seeing a lot of support around town... but still nothing like I remember in Nebraska. Other parts of the country do have more rabid fan bases. When I lived in Hawaii, I may have seen Beaver gear a handful of times, I saw dux gear a lot. Sad. Never confuse this site as a true representation of Beaver Nation. From reading on here, many are fans, but few are actually in the seats on a regular basis. That said, OSU is not a school or fan base that ever wanted to be the "new" Oregon (1996 ish - present) nor UW. Hence, the attempt to want or think OSU can be in an arms race is ridiculous. OSU is and will be what it has always been... a low key, AG school that has built it's academic programs and degrees to an amazing level of diversity & success. OSU's athletics are a focal point to some, but as pointed out most alums are not rapid sports fans. And, that is just fine with me. To go to away games an experience the LSU, tOSU, Penn St, UM, Minny, Wisky games was fun. But, in now way would fighting thru 100k+ fans and tailgaters every week be my choice. That's when I'd be a TV viewer about 95% of the time. I see OSU as one of the most unique universities in the country... underrated academic prowess and athletics that are highly competitive despite limitations. Folks wanting to be a fan of a national title contender on a regular basis better switch schools, as it will be the anomaly at OSU. As of now OSU has done things the right way and that includes "living" within their means. The current atmosphere of big $ college sports is not at the heart of what OSU represents (IMO) and I'm never going to be unhappy as long as the university promotes academic and athletic successes in the right way, no matter the level of competition. |
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Post by wcbeav on Aug 3, 2023 10:29:43 GMT -8
First of all the Boise State model is dated. Modern football reality check, they went 8-0 in the MWC and ended up in the prestigious Miami Beach Bowl against North Texas.The Mountain West scenario absolutely SUCKS, unless Cal and Stanford also get stuck, then it only "sucks" perhaps. One traditional rivalry game a year, and that's two thirds of the 2023 schedule. No football revenue and all that entails. Forget women's hoops (men's too), it will be impossible to recruit. Forget paying FCS teams to come and play, on the contrary, this will bring back body bag games. We have our best ever (or at least since Prothro), coach but we won't be able to pay him even what he makes now. Guys like Chiles sticking around? The coordinators. Our coaches will be completely poached after this season. The transfer portal will have a special section for OSU.
Baseball surviving at a national power level? Dream on.
At least I made it into my seventies before the whole thing fell apart, I expected it sometime last century. And, if this happens I don't ever want to play the ucks again. NEVER!
And, maybe worst of all, the effing blue turf every other year?
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Post by nebraskabeav on Aug 3, 2023 10:30:06 GMT -8
Yet you’re not livid with Barnes or the past OSU President and blame the fans. That is interesting. Yeah... like the fan base and their social media posts determines conference commissioners/boards to invite teams!? LOL Yeah... "us" damn fans if we'd just have given a damn for the last ?? years Larry and George wouldn't even have a job. OSU would be headed to the B10 before USC and UCLA and be collecting $40+ mil/year (although I think they get a partial share for a time?). And of course, if your personal resume isn't up to snuff what do you know anyway. Hmmmm... oh ya, 1995? That's still in "rookie" territory compared to me and most of those I know. So, I'm going to say most of us know a little about being an OSU fan, not to mention the reality of what input fans have in whole conference realignment fiasco. Maybe if every fan in the Oregon TV market bought an extra 3-4 TVs and had them tuned to Pac12 football nonstop... and maybe all have several social media accounts and had a bot to constantly post Pac12 blurbs??? Yeah... guess not. Having a presence on social media is the same as putting your starting QB on a billboard in NYC advertising a Heisman campaign. Like them or not, Oregon fans have the same market issue as Oregon State, but their public brand is tied to Nike and their marketing antics to get their name out there. What did Oregon State do to try and manufacture their brand?
In my BA381 class here at OSU, FYI, I'm 36 years old, I'm just new to this board. So there is that. We listened to an hour long podcast on Influence from a psychological perspective when it comes to selling. There are 7 principals:
Reciprocity, Likability, Social Proof, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment & Consistency, and Unity
Likability - It's easier to sell your brand to others if you get them to like you. To do this in sports is controlling what you can control. Money; Being Relevant in Facilities, accolades, etc;
Social Proof is the main one I'm talking about, though. The definition is as follows: Perceptions of all surroundings didn't make difference only difference was seeing the mob mentality of others doing it, so, therefore I must do it. If the mob mentality, meaning the fans of other conferences have a negative or indifferent perception of Oregon State, then why would the conference bring Oregon State into their conference when an Oregon or Washington will get the conference fans fired up to get their butts in the seats.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 3, 2023 11:03:58 GMT -8
Yeah... like the fan base and their social media posts determines conference commissioners/boards to invite teams!? LOL Yeah... "us" damn fans if we'd just have given a damn for the last ?? years Larry and George wouldn't even have a job. OSU would be headed to the B10 before USC and UCLA and be collecting $40+ mil/year (although I think they get a partial share for a time?). And of course, if your personal resume isn't up to snuff what do you know anyway. Hmmmm... oh ya, 1995? That's still in "rookie" territory compared to me and most of those I know. So, I'm going to say most of us know a little about being an OSU fan, not to mention the reality of what input fans have in whole conference realignment fiasco. Maybe if every fan in the Oregon TV market bought an extra 3-4 TVs and had them tuned to Pac12 football nonstop... and maybe all have several social media accounts and had a bot to constantly post Pac12 blurbs??? Yeah... guess not. Having a presence on social media is the same as putting your starting QB on a billboard in NYC advertising a Heisman campaign. Like them or not, Oregon fans have the same market issue as Oregon State, but their public brand is tied to Nike and their marketing antics to get their name out there. What did Oregon State do to try and manufacture their brand?
In my BA381 class here at OSU, FYI, I'm 36 years old, I'm just new to this board. So there is that. We listened to an hour long podcast on Influence from a psychological perspective when it comes to selling. There are 7 principals:
Reciprocity, Likability, Social Proof, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment & Consistency, and Unity
Likability - It's easier to sell your brand to others if you get them to like you. To do this in sports is controlling what you can control. Money; Being Relevant in Facilities, accolades, etc;
Social Proof is the main one I'm talking about, though. The definition is as follows: Perceptions of all surroundings didn't make difference only difference was seeing the mob mentality of others doing it, so, therefore I must do it. If the mob mentality, meaning the fans of other conferences have a negative or indifferent perception of Oregon State, then why would the conference bring Oregon State into their conference when an Oregon or Washington will get the conference fans fired up to get their butts in the seats.
Unfortunately fans' social media is not the same as putting your QB up on a bill board. Fan's generally are not the responsible parties for corporate ads. The ad was a NIKE ad. It may have been viewed by fans, but may have not changed any fans view of a conference. In fact those who are anti-Nike may have had the opposite response. As far as "likability"... most of the gibberish from your class is NOT controlled by the fan base itself, let alone their social media accounts (not that you aren't are now shifting your target!). Accolades aren't based on fan postings and many times are greatly influenced by media bias that fans have zero control over. Facilities and likability?? Really? You seem to be confusing issues... you think conferences "like" other teams due to facilities and that fan posts increase that? Money... more fans generally means more $. Big donor(s) generally help that cause, not the general Joe Blow fan posting on social media. As far as Social Proof... you're not the only one educated in marketing and social psychology. Social proof is more than a "mob mentality". It is more about conforming, and is ONE form of conformity. In an ambiguous social situation where people are unable to determine the appropriate mode of behavior, and is driven by the assumption that the surrounding people possess more knowledge about the current situation. It has nothing to do with OSU fans posting more social media info. Fans in general aren't in an "ambiguous" state about their team, conference, or other teams. And Conference commissioners/boards certainly are not in some state of ambiguity about adding certain members. They know exactly what they seek/require and what each potential member can bring. They are NOT influenced by Joe Blow fan, and are by the almighty $ from the media deals. I appreciate your gaslighting attempt Again... you moved away from... fans are to blame... social media posts or lack thereof are to blame... "Because Beavers fans DO NOT know that their fan influence on social media, putting butts in the seats whether the product is Gary Anderson or Jonathan Smith."It just isn't so... |
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Post by sparty on Aug 3, 2023 11:58:30 GMT -8
Having a presence on social media is the same as putting your starting QB on a billboard in NYC advertising a Heisman campaign. Like them or not, Oregon fans have the same market issue as Oregon State, but their public brand is tied to Nike and their marketing antics to get their name out there. What did Oregon State do to try and manufacture their brand?
In my BA381 class here at OSU, FYI, I'm 36 years old, I'm just new to this board. So there is that. We listened to an hour long podcast on Influence from a psychological perspective when it comes to selling. There are 7 principals:
Reciprocity, Likability, Social Proof, Authority, Scarcity, Commitment & Consistency, and Unity
Likability - It's easier to sell your brand to others if you get them to like you. To do this in sports is controlling what you can control. Money; Being Relevant in Facilities, accolades, etc;
Social Proof is the main one I'm talking about, though. The definition is as follows: Perceptions of all surroundings didn't make difference only difference was seeing the mob mentality of others doing it, so, therefore I must do it. If the mob mentality, meaning the fans of other conferences have a negative or indifferent perception of Oregon State, then why would the conference bring Oregon State into their conference when an Oregon or Washington will get the conference fans fired up to get their butts in the seats.
Unfortunately fans' social media is not the same as putting your QB up on a bill board. Fan's generally are not the responsible parties for corporate ads. The ad was a NIKE ad. It may have been viewed by fans, but may have not changed any fans view of a conference. In fact those who are anti-Nike may have had the opposite response. As far as "likability"... most of the gibberish from your class is NOT controlled by the fan base itself, let alone their social media accounts (not that you aren't are now shifting your target!). Accolades aren't based on fan postings and many times are greatly influenced by media bias that fans have zero control over. Facilities and likability?? Really? You seem to be confusing issues... you think conferences "like" other teams due to facilities and that fan posts increase that? Money... more fans generally means more $. Big donor(s) generally help that cause, not the general Joe Blow fan posting on social media. As far as Social Proof... you're not the only one educated in marketing and social psychology. Social proof is more than a "mob mentality". It is more about conforming, and is ONE form of conformity. In an ambiguous social situation where people are unable to determine the appropriate mode of behavior, and is driven by the assumption that the surrounding people possess more knowledge about the current situation. It has nothing to do with OSU fans posting more social media info. Fans in general aren't in an "ambiguous" state about their team, conference, or other teams. And Conference commissioners/boards certainly are not in some state of ambiguity about adding certain members. They know exactly what they seek/require and what each potential member can bring. They are NOT influenced by Joe Blow fan, and are by the almighty $ from the media deals. I appreciate your gaslighting attempt Again... you moved away from... fans are to blame... social media posts or lack thereof are to blame... "Because Beavers fans DO NOT know that their fan influence on social media, putting butts in the seats whether the product is Gary Anderson or Jonathan Smith."It just isn't so... Agreed, I don't get the whole "lets blame fans for all of this" while letting the athletic department off the hook like some have here. Some fans did create some of the negative perceptions. I don't think fans posting the whole Riley "lunch bucket" moniker at that time sells that well outside of the state of Oregon. We may have understood it but in other areas, not so much. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 3, 2023 12:02:16 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Aug 3, 2023 12:20:01 GMT -8
Saying schools like Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, etc. have been successful MWC programs actually works against the idea that OSU joining is automatically going to put the Beavers at or near the top of the heap.
Say OSU and WSU join the MWC. Corvallis (60,199) has more population than Logan, Utah (58,159), Laramie (32,363) and Pullman (32,869).
There's a huge separation between the others and the above four cities. San Diego (1.39 million), San Jose (994,272), Las Vegas (660,769), Albuquerque (572,864), Fresno (549,702), Colorado Springs (492,353), Reno (274,602), Boise (240,393), Fort Collins (167,554). So TV market size would still be a very real issue.
Facilities? Yeah, OSU would be fine. But not really superior. San Diego State just opened a new stadium in 2022. San Jose State is opening a $57 million Athletics Center (currently under construction) along with stadium renovations. Colorado State opened a new stadium in 2017. Boise State has stadium upgrades underway. Fresno State has announced a $250 million project that includes a major stadium renovation. UNLV now plays in Allegiant Stadium. Nevada finish major stadium renovations in 2016. Utah State's stadium is undergoing some renovations. Wyoming is set for major renovations. New Mexico had recent upgrades.
It shows the MWC as a whole is proactive when it comes to sports. In a sense, that is a positive if OSU lands there. But it won't make anything come easy.
If OSU was able to find a way to keep Smith and his staff, then football would continue to be strong, IMO. But that will take a lot of money and that's something that will be much harder to come by. And there's no factual evidence to point to that would support the idea that OSU will be in a better position to make money than most of the other MWC schools.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Aug 3, 2023 12:35:21 GMT -8
Our TV market size is not defined by Corvallis.
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...this years team might very well go undefeated playing the rest of its schedule against the MWC.
