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Post by beavs6 on Jul 31, 2023 7:52:35 GMT -8
Colorado Springs is one hour from Denver. AF has higher game attendance than all other MWC teams except Boise, Fresno and San Diego, and more than CSU which seems to be under consideration. Somebody besides AF alumni must be attending these games. A lot of the attendees are cadets. Though their total enrollment is 4000 average so not sure who goes to those games. AF’s fans or alums are people from all over the country, not really Colorado. Unlike CU and CSU where alums may tend to live local. There is not a huge alum base due to the select few that are admitted there each year. I like AF and follow them often on. They don’t nationally competitive in football much and have few other sports. Just don’t see what they can add to the Pac others schools can better All cadets are USAFA Football season ticket holders. They are required to attend and have the ticket cost deducted from their paycheck. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 31, 2023 8:49:59 GMT -8
A lot of the attendees are cadets. Though their total enrollment is 4000 average so not sure who goes to those games. AF’s fans or alums are people from all over the country, not really Colorado. Unlike CU and CSU where alums may tend to live local. There is not a huge alum base due to the select few that are admitted there each year. I like AF and follow them often on. They don’t nationally competitive in football much and have few other sports. Just don’t see what they can add to the Pac others schools can better All cadets are USAFA Football season ticket holders. They are required to attend and have the ticket cost deducted from their paycheck. Spontaneous cheers are required after every touchdown. |
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Post by castorcanadensis on Jul 31, 2023 9:17:07 GMT -8
Reports say Arizona is leaving for big 12 and the media deal is with Apple for $200 million.
All from dubious sources.
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Post by sparty on Jul 31, 2023 9:29:33 GMT -8
Reports say Arizona is leaving for big 12 and the media deal is with Apple for $200 million. All from dubious sources. If it is Apple then this conference is over and you will see several defect. Streaming, you gotta be kidding me. |
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Post by castorcanadensis on Jul 31, 2023 9:39:38 GMT -8
Reports say Arizona is leaving for big 12 and the media deal is with Apple for $200 million. All from dubious sources. If it is Apple then this conference is over and you will see several defect. Streaming, you gotta be kidding me. Not sure if you have heard but ESPN might move to all streaming, in this day and age if one can't figure out how to stream no one can help. It is 2023 already TV and cable are dying. Every smart TV has apps and the apple TV app. How many here used sling to watch the pac-12 channel? How is that different from using apple TV? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 31, 2023 9:42:11 GMT -8
The more I read and listen it appears to me that klavikoff (sp) is really a hired corporate raider slowly but surely dismantling a once proud league.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Jul 31, 2023 9:45:48 GMT -8
What this mess shows is that FOX and ESPN are controlling college football and who is in what league. Those 2 companies are like Pirates ready to raid another conference for eyeballs and money.
That and GK is a deer in headlights.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 31, 2023 10:18:45 GMT -8
Reports say Arizona is leaving for big 12 and the media deal is with Apple for $200 million. All from dubious sources. If it is Apple then this conference is over and you will see several defect. Streaming, you gotta be kidding me. There are more households streaming than have cable now. A LOT of Americans have discovered you can get pretty much everything and more, and save a lot of money simply by dropping your TV package and keeping cable only for internet. We did it back in 2018/2019 when our Comcast/Xfinity bill was going to be jacked up 35 bucks or so, had to buy a 65 buck (I think) Roku box and immediately saved about 115 bucks month. FUBO gives us nearly everything we ever watched and we have added a number of streaming services that we can shut down any month we want and turn back on when we want to go back, and when everything is on we're still paying quite a bit less than we were before the cable bill would have been jacked up 4+ years ago. If we go on vacation, we just log in and voila, we're not missing anything if we feel like watching TV, I'm not sure if cable companies do that or not these days. |
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Post by sparty on Jul 31, 2023 11:56:33 GMT -8
If it is Apple then this conference is over and you will see several defect. Streaming, you gotta be kidding me. There are more households streaming than have cable now. A LOT of Americans have discovered you can get pretty much everything and more, and save a lot of money simply by dropping your TV package and keeping cable only for internet. We did it back in 2018/2019 when our Comcast/Xfinity bill was going to be jacked up 35 bucks or so, had to buy a 65 buck (I think) Roku box and immediately saved about 115 bucks month. FUBO gives us nearly everything we ever watched and we have added a number of streaming services that we can shut down any month we want and turn back on when we want to go back, and when everything is on we're still paying quite a bit less than we were before the cable bill would have been jacked up 4+ years ago. If we go on vacation, we just log in and voila, we're not missing anything if we feel like watching TV, I'm not sure if cable companies do that or not these days. Fair enough if you are a fan looking to stream of a particular Pac game that you are interested in. For the casual fan of college sports do you think bars and restaurants midwest, south or back East will bother with Apple stream for a pac game outside the area or just flip thru their channels available to put something on for the patrons. Maybe TV exposure does not matter as much in recruiting? How many eyeballs would it get?
I just think if the major conferences are going this route then fine.
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Post by messi on Jul 31, 2023 12:17:59 GMT -8
What this mess shows is that FOX and ESPN are controlling college football and who is in what league. Those 2 companies are like Pirates ready to raid another conference for eyeballs and money. That and GK is a deer in headlights. If that's the case, then does that mean the conference is freed from the grasp of those two networks? Could this mean start times announced months instead of days ahead of time? |
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Post by grayman on Jul 31, 2023 12:30:31 GMT -8
As a few have already posted, streaming is definitely the future (and pretty much the present at this point)...but before everything got so messy I read that it might be a deal with Apple with ESPN taking on some games. Maybe that deal or something similar with other services is still possible.
But the conference has to hold together for the most part in the meantime or everything is just going to fall apart.
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Post by sonoma beav on Jul 31, 2023 17:51:00 GMT -8
A lot of the attendees are cadets. Though their total enrollment is 4000 average so not sure who goes to those games. AF’s fans or alums are people from all over the country, not really Colorado. Unlike CU and CSU where alums may tend to live local. There is not a huge alum base due to the select few that are admitted there each year. I like AF and follow them often on. They don’t nationally competitive in football much and have few other sports. Just don’t see what they can add to the Pac others schools can better All cadets are USAFA Football season ticket holders. They are required to attend and have the ticket cost deducted from their paycheck. Average attendance at AF games is 26,926 in 2022. A lot more than the 4,000 enrollment, more than CSU and more than WSU. |
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Post by nebraskabeav on Aug 1, 2023 9:10:31 GMT -8
If it is Apple then this conference is over and you will see several defect. Streaming, you gotta be kidding me. There are more households streaming than have cable now. A LOT of Americans have discovered you can get pretty much everything and more, and save a lot of money simply by dropping your TV package and keeping cable only for internet. We did it back in 2018/2019 when our Comcast/Xfinity bill was going to be jacked up 35 bucks or so, had to buy a 65 buck (I think) Roku box and immediately saved about 115 bucks month. FUBO gives us nearly everything we ever watched and we have added a number of streaming services that we can shut down any month we want and turn back on when we want to go back, and when everything is on we're still paying quite a bit less than we were before the cable bill would have been jacked up 4+ years ago. If we go on vacation, we just log in and voila, we're not missing anything if we feel like watching TV, I'm not sure if cable companies do that or not these days. I just did a CS 101 assignment last night that stated in 2018, more college students subscribe to streaming services than any other genaration. Do you want young viewers and flexibility to view games on smart phones via streaming? I stream every Oregon State game because I live in Nebraska. I will find a way to watch Oregon State games, but I don't subscribe to ESPN+ because I have no desire or need to watch other conference games. This is the issue with streaming on a sports only network. How many viewers already subscribe to AppleTV+? My 70 year old mother and father-in laws subscribe to AppleTV+ to watch their shows they like. If they can do it, so can anyone. I would consider subscribing to AppleTV+ on my own next year versus sharing an account with family to get the subscriber rates up for the Pac-12. The NFL streamed Thursday Night Football on Amazon Prime Video last season. It was successful in getting viewers to watch. By having AppleTV+, games can start at normal times for PT. 12:30, 1:30, 2:30, 3:30, 4:30, 5:30. with an option to sell off 1-2 games a week, you could flip back and forth between OSU vs Utah and Stanford vs WSU with games on at the same time. Games would overlap, but you will always be guaranteed to be able to watch the end of each game and be done with the Pac-12 games by 10 PM PST for the late game. We wouldn't be tied to the linear market time frames. Think in terms of what ND does with 1:30, 2:30 and 6:30 on NBC or Peacock. If a team wants to play a night game, then they get the full amount by taking the late night game except for conference games; then it's split between the two teams evenly as both teams must agree to a night game. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 1, 2023 10:15:22 GMT -8
I'm thinking with streaming, the entire league, or individual schools, could decide what time they want to start the game without having to work around TV schedules and other games.
If every school wanted to start their game at 1 pm, that would be fine. Every fan could watch their favorite game live, or they could do family or work/home maintenance stuff, get wasted early in the day and pass out for a while, whatever... and they can start watching their game of choice its entirity the very minute they want to watch it. They would free to pause or rewind or fast forward (as long as they don't get ahead of real time) to their heart's content unless the streaming provider forces commercials on them (I haven't noticed that with Apple, some of the TV networks that stream do that though).
I'd love to set up a mid to high end sports bar with football streaming. Put a decent TV at every booth/table and have directional speakers (they exist, can't remember which airport it was but I was in one that had a spot you could hear a mix of music and ads then step 2 feet to the side and not hear it) over the tables. Every group that comes in could sit down, order,then turn on their game of choice at any time. The only real issue might be all of the different tables yelling at different times.
There's a lot of possibilities with streaming.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 1, 2023 10:31:56 GMT -8
Starting every game at 1pm would be a terrible idea. The idea is to play as many games at different times as possible, so that people can watch all the games, boosting viewership numbers. Me for example, the Oregon State game is the game I anchor my entire weekend around. I'm not watching something else if they're playing. But, my secondary options are always Pac-12 teams when they're not playing. I'd rather watch Arizona vs. Cal than Alabama vs. Kentucky. I would guess that most people on the west coast are the same.
By the same token, when I wake up at 9am and want to watch a game, I don't have a Pac-12 option, so I watch whatever's on....usually starting with ESPN because I'm checking to see what head Corso is wearing, and then cycling through channels from there. It's unrealistic to expect west coast teams to play at 9am, much like it's unrealistic for east coast teams to play at 10pm local time. But if someone's just gone to a UNC-Virginia game, got home around 10:30, still has a hankering for some more football, it'd sure be nice if there was a Pac-12 game on for them to watch. It's why we play games on Thursdays or Fridays occasionally. Less competition for eyeballs. Why we moved the SJSU game to a Sunday. There are 10 D1 football games at 12:30 on Saturday, September 2nd, including Ohio State vs. Indiana in a conference game, UW vs. Boise, and the Ducks vs. Portland State. On the 3rd, we will be the only Div. 1 football game on nationwide, on a broadcast channel, on a weekend that there is no NFL. CBS did not air a game last year during week 1 on Sunday afternoon, but an ESPN midday game between FAMU and Jackson St. got nearly 1M viewers. The FSU-LSU game on ABC that Sunday evening drew 7.55M, the second largest viewership of the weekend.
More games at more times is the key if we want the revenue to be there from this media deal.
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