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Post by gotmilk on Jul 29, 2023 8:47:31 GMT -8
But from what I hear Larry Scott kept his eyes on the prize. He knew that UCLA and USC were the beating heart of the conference, and he treated them like it. George K, on the other hand, seemed to not go out of his way to make sure that UCLA and USC were happy and got blindsided by all of this, specifically because he was not communicating with UCLA and USC enough. Larry Scott got paid a lot and spent a lot, perhaps frivolously, but I think that several people underestimated his value. Larry Scott may not have left George K in a perfect spot, but Scott kept UCLA and USC in line. George K underwhelmed me from the very beginning. Just read his interviews. He never got it. And I am worried that he still does not get it. Franklin Pierce may not have left James Buchanan in the best spot, but Buchanan still butchered the bad hand that he was dealt. I very much fear that George K is Buchanan. I sincerely hope that he is better, though. While everyone likes a good ass kiss, everyone likes 40 to 50 million a year a lot more. There was nothing George could do to get them to stay. They didn’t even ask him for anything. Time zones and population centers drove that decision, not George’s inability kiss butt to your satisfaction. How about a media deal and a stable conference. Or even a conference that understands its grow or die, and not turn down every opportunity to grow. I think that might have changed some minds, instead the PAC 9 is a laughing stock. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 29, 2023 8:55:36 GMT -8
Kliavkoff assumed the role of commissioner on July first 2021. By August of that year he put together a committee of 3 presidents and 3 athletic directors to look into expansion because he was getting inquiries from Big 12 teams wanting to come to the Pac 12. USC President Carol Folt was on that committee and they set up a zoom call and she shut it down within 15 minutes. There’s speculation now she was already looking to get out. Was he supposed to be kissing her butt day 1? Just how did he go out of his way to avoid UCLA and USC? The baseless assumption Larry Scott kept the LA schools in check is ludicrous. Larry was a pompous arse who rode the gravy train and wasted millions of $. Period! And, the Presidents are the ones ultimately responsible. And, if the Pac12 SOPs allow one President to control major decisions then the conference deserves what it gets. No one single school should have absolute veto power over the good of the conference. Again, is there an penalty/exit fee for future damages? Doesn't appear to be. So again, this conference is pretty poorly run in many phases. |
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Post by richard44 on Jul 29, 2023 9:14:33 GMT -8
If you are going to expand, I think the pac needs to expand to 14-16 teams. The biggest brand of college football is trending toward super conferences. Going to 10-12 teams seems too weak right now in an already weakly perceived conference. To me, it makes sense to expand to the following teams:
SDSU and Fresno State to replace UCLA and USC. Those are both pretty good markets/bigger cities and keeps a strong foothold on recruiting in California while keeping Stanford and Cal.
UNLV and Nevada to gain the entire state of Nevada for marketing and recruiting.
SMU to gain a school in Texas for marketing and recruiting.
Then you can add one of the following schools based of desire/need: Tulane (add a school in Louisiana), Colorado State (keep a school in Colorado), UCF (add a school in Florida), Memphis (add a school in Tennessee).
Although you might add travel, that can’t keep us from expanding our brand and expanding our recruiting base.
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 10:49:27 GMT -8
If you are going to expand, I think the pac needs to expand to 14-16 teams. The biggest brand of college football is trending toward super conferences. Going to 10-12 teams seems too weak right now in an already weakly perceived conference. To me, it makes sense to expand to the following teams: SDSU and Fresno State to replace UCLA and USC. Those are both pretty good markets/bigger cities and keeps a strong foothold on recruiting in California while keeping Stanford and Cal. UNLV and Nevada to gain the entire state of Nevada for marketing and recruiting. SMU to gain a school in Texas for marketing and recruiting. Then you can add one of the following schools based of desire/need: Tulane (add a school in Louisiana), Colorado State (keep a school in Colorado), UCF (add a school in Florida), Memphis (add a school in Tennessee). Although you might add travel, that can’t keep us from expanding our brand and expanding our recruiting base. Personally, I wouldn’t want to go further than Texas. If I had my druthers we’d not expand to Texas, but I see the value of recruiting there. Someone mentioned Rice. Why not a bigger footprint in Texas? I’d also like to look into more schools in CA. Lots of territory and lots of good schools. I think it would be fun to add Gonzaga and Santa Clara. Academically they seem to fit. They’d have to improve some sports but that’s doable. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 29, 2023 11:40:48 GMT -8
If you are going to expand, I think the pac needs to expand to 14-16 teams. The biggest brand of college football is trending toward super conferences. Going to 10-12 teams seems too weak right now in an already weakly perceived conference. To me, it makes sense to expand to the following teams: SDSU and Fresno State to replace UCLA and USC. Those are both pretty good markets/bigger cities and keeps a strong foothold on recruiting in California while keeping Stanford and Cal. UNLV and Nevada to gain the entire state of Nevada for marketing and recruiting. SMU to gain a school in Texas for marketing and recruiting. Then you can add one of the following schools based of desire/need: Tulane (add a school in Louisiana), Colorado State (keep a school in Colorado), UCF (add a school in Florida), Memphis (add a school in Tennessee). Although you might add travel, that can’t keep us from expanding our brand and expanding our recruiting base. Personally, I wouldn’t want to go further than Texas. If I had my druthers we’d not expand to Texas, but I see the value of recruiting there. Someone mentioned Rice. Why not a bigger footprint in Texas? I’d also like to look into more schools in CA. Lots of territory and lots of good schools. I think it would be fun to add Gonzaga and Santa Clara. Academically they seem to fit. They’d have to improve some sports but that’s doable.Yeah, their football programs are terrible. JFC, the Pac is not going to add a school that doesn't play football, which is the very basis for the conference to begin with. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 11:56:06 GMT -8
Personally, I wouldn’t want to go further than Texas. If I had my druthers we’d not expand to Texas, but I see the value of recruiting there. Someone mentioned Rice. Why not a bigger footprint in Texas? I’d also like to look into more schools in CA. Lots of territory and lots of good schools. I think it would be fun to add Gonzaga and Santa Clara. Academically they seem to fit. They’d have to improve some sports but that’s doable.Yeah, their football programs are terrible. JFC, the Pac is not going to add a school that doesn't play football, which is the very basis for the conference to begin with. Both schools could easily put together a football program. They could draw kids from the various Catholic high schools and have a good team in no time. Plus, their alumni would love it. I just think if you are only looking at what exists as a quality program today, you’re short-sighted. Plus, they have strong basketball programs. How many years were we a basketball school and football didn’t matter? Sure seems high and mighty of us to simply judge a school on its football program. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 12:06:05 GMT -8
Yeah, their football programs are terrible. JFC, the Pac is not going to add a school that doesn't play football, which is the very basis for the conference to begin with. Both schools could easily put together a football program. They could draw kids from the various Catholic high schools and have a good team in no time. Plus, their alumni would love it. I just think if you are only looking at what exists as a quality program today, you’re short-sighted. Plus, they have strong basketball programs. How many years were we a basketball school and football didn’t matter? Sure seems high and mighty of us to simply judge a school on its football program. We could add them as basketball schools only, but no way we allow some start up football program with one of those schools to join our supposed major conference. That’s as stupid as the Long Beach St. add. They all have no stadium and you don’t just start up a football program and join the big boys. The schools that re-start programs start as FCS programs and work their way up. |
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Post by grayman on Jul 29, 2023 12:51:06 GMT -8
I still say that the Pac-whatever should merge with the Big-12. I've read that ESPN might have encouraged that move at one point.
I wonder how much of a problem the California schools have been as far as voting against chances to add schools or whatever.
I've read that USC went against some possibilities and then bailed anyway. Are Cal and Stanford dragging feet on potential expansion or mergers?
If so, maybe the four Northwest schools, Utah and the Arizona schools should start talking to the Big 12 as a group.
And yeah, I realize that UW and UO most likely want to go to the Big Ten but that looks very unlikely. If the media money isn't there (and it's looking like it isn't) I think they are heading to the Big 12 anyway.
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 13:09:18 GMT -8
Both schools could easily put together a football program. They could draw kids from the various Catholic high schools and have a good team in no time. Plus, their alumni would love it. I just think if you are only looking at what exists as a quality program today, you’re short-sighted. Plus, they have strong basketball programs. How many years were we a basketball school and football didn’t matter? Sure seems high and mighty of us to simply judge a school on its football program. We could add them as basketball schools only, but no way we allow some start up football program with one of those schools to join our supposed major conference. That’s as stupid as the Long Beach St. add. They all have no stadium and you don’t just start up a football program and join the big boys. The schools that re-start programs start as FCS programs and work their way up. You mean the fans of the team that just five years ago finished 1-11 are able to be so picky? Wow. In fact, we have a LOT of 1 win seasons. Irony, thy name is Beaver fans. You guys have a very short memory and lack any sort of vision. Judge, you got your big boy pants? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 13:19:11 GMT -8
We could add them as basketball schools only, but no way we allow some start up football program with one of those schools to join our supposed major conference. That’s as stupid as the Long Beach St. add. They all have no stadium and you don’t just start up a football program and join the big boys. The schools that re-start programs start as FCS programs and work their way up. You mean the fans of the team that just five years ago finished 1-11 are able to be so picky? Wow. In fact, we have a LOT of 1 win seasons. Irony, thy name is Beaver fans. You guys have a very short memory and lack any sort of vision. Judge, you got your big boy pants? Yes, I remember 1-11. We did that with facilities and money. You add a start-up program and they’re going to be 0–12 for the first 3 years at a minimum. It will never happen because it would be the final straw as far as being considered as a major conference. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 14:13:33 GMT -8
You mean the fans of the team that just five years ago finished 1-11 are able to be so picky? Wow. In fact, we have a LOT of 1 win seasons. Irony, thy name is Beaver fans. You guys have a very short memory and lack any sort of vision. Judge, you got your big boy pants? Yes, I remember 1-11. We did that with facilities and money. You add a start-up program and they’re going to be 0–12 for the first 3 years at a minimum. It will never happen because it would be the final straw as far as being considered as a major conference. All it takes is money and the desire. I figure these private schools could get the cash if they wanted to. But do they want to? No clue. Anyway it is ridiculous to discuss because it’s a fruitless discussion. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 29, 2023 15:37:44 GMT -8
If Gonzaga could somehow pull a rabbit out of their hat and get a stadium and start a football program (how much would it take to start a program from scratch these days anyways? Probably multiples of what it takes to run an existing program) and get invited to the conference, I'd consider what could happen to WSU akin to what could happen to OSU if Portland State were invited to the conference, except that PSU has about 3.5 times the students that Gonzaga has.
Both are schools in reasonably big to big metro areas within 80-90 miles of existing schools in small metro areas. People think the Bay Area schools would worry about Fresno taking their fanbase, this would be that in multiples.
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Post by ag87 on Jul 29, 2023 15:50:53 GMT -8
I think it's more probable at a large public institution than a private one, but it would look something like this. School gets invited to a league and they dont have a football team. Years one and two - FCS independent; years three and four - FBS independent; year five - start conference play
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Post by nebraskabeav on Jul 29, 2023 16:20:53 GMT -8
What we really need is Oregon and UW to vocalize their commitment to the conference as the Beavs did. That would go a long way in settling things. The statements made by President Muthy and AD Barnes did not solidify their commitment to the conference. What President Murthy stated was
'Oregon State University joins with other Pac-12 members (doesn't say current, former, remaining, or otherwise) in reaffirming our commitment to the long-term strength and vitality of the conference. (doesn't state reaffirming our commitment to the Pac-12 for the long-term strength and vitality of the conference). We are united by our shared values our passion for the highest level of intercollegiate athletic competition, our leadership roles as Tier 1 research universities and our support for student-athletes; academic and athletic success'
This reads more like a resignation letter, cover letter on a resume, or an exit statement. If They wanted to use these words and sound sincere with their committment to the conference, they would phrse it more direct than indirect and backhandedly.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 29, 2023 17:07:10 GMT -8
Yes, I remember 1-11. We did that with facilities and money. You add a start-up program and they’re going to be 0–12 for the first 3 years at a minimum. It will never happen because it would be the final straw as far as being considered as a major conference. All it takes is money and the desire. I figure these private schools could get the cash if they wanted to. But do they want to? No clue. Anyway it is ridiculous to discuss because it’s a fruitless discussion. And motivational slogans. Don’t forget those. |
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