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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 17:08:48 GMT -8
If Gonzaga could somehow pull a rabbit out of their hat and get a stadium and start a football program (how much would it take to start a program from scratch these days anyways? Probably multiples of what it takes to run an existing program) and get invited to the conference, I'd consider what could happen to WSU akin to what could happen to OSU if Portland State were invited to the conference, except that PSU has about 3.5 times the students that Gonzaga has. Both are schools in reasonably big to big metro areas within 80-90 miles of existing schools in small metro areas. People think the Bay Area schools would worry about Fresno taking their fanbase, this would be that in multiples. I’m amazed by how many people think you can just start up a football team and compete in a big conference……fyi-it’s impossible. |
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Post by cake on Jul 29, 2023 17:30:37 GMT -8
If Gonzaga could somehow pull a rabbit out of their hat and get a stadium and start a football program (how much would it take to start a program from scratch these days anyways? Probably multiples of what it takes to run an existing program) and get invited to the conference, I'd consider what could happen to WSU akin to what could happen to OSU if Portland State were invited to the conference, except that PSU has about 3.5 times the students that Gonzaga has. Both are schools in reasonably big to big metro areas within 80-90 miles of existing schools in small metro areas. People think the Bay Area schools would worry about Fresno taking their fanbase, this would be that in multiples. I’m amazed by how many people think you can just start up a football team and compete in a big conference……fyi-it’s impossible. Georgia State and Charlotte started up within the last 15 years. Ready for your 'no true Scotsman' rebuttal... |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 17:31:35 GMT -8
What we really need is Oregon and UW to vocalize their commitment to the conference as the Beavs did. That would go a long way in settling things. The statements made by President Muthy and AD Barnes did not solidify their commitment to the conference. What President Murthy stated was
'Oregon State University joins with other Pac-12 members (doesn't say current, former, remaining, or otherwise) in reaffirming our commitment to the long-term strength and vitality of the conference. (doesn't state reaffirming our commitment to the Pac-12 for the long-term strength and vitality of the conference). We are united by our shared values our passion for the highest level of intercollegiate athletic competition, our leadership roles as Tier 1 research universities and our support for student-athletes; academic and athletic success'
This reads more like a resignation letter, cover letter on a resume, or an exit statement. If They wanted to use these words and sound sincere with their committment to the conference, they would phrse it more direct than indirect and backhandedly.
Even so, it’s a damn sight more than we’ve seen from the Yucks or the Fuskies. |
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Post by bvrbred on Jul 29, 2023 17:35:23 GMT -8
The statements made by President Muthy and AD Barnes did not solidify their commitment to the conference. What President Murthy stated was
'Oregon State University joins with other Pac-12 members (doesn't say current, former, remaining, or otherwise) in reaffirming our commitment to the long-term strength and vitality of the conference. (doesn't state reaffirming our commitment to the Pac-12 for the long-term strength and vitality of the conference). We are united by our shared values our passion for the highest level of intercollegiate athletic competition, our leadership roles as Tier 1 research universities and our support for student-athletes; academic and athletic success'
This reads more like a resignation letter, cover letter on a resume, or an exit statement. If They wanted to use these words and sound sincere with their committment to the conference, they would phrse it more direct than indirect and backhandedly.
Even so, it’s a damn sight more than we’ve seen from the Yucks or the Fuskies. Yeah, maybe the goal was to test the waters to see if other conference schools would join in. I guess they got thei answer. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 17:37:48 GMT -8
I’m amazed by how many people think you can just start up a football team and compete in a big conference……fyi-it’s impossible. Georgia State and Charlotte started up within the last 15 years. Ready for your 'no true Scotsman' rebuttal... And, they’re not in a Power 5 conference. Thanks for confirming my point. |
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Post by cake on Jul 29, 2023 17:40:24 GMT -8
Georgia State and Charlotte started up within the last 15 years. Ready for your 'no true Scotsman' rebuttal... And, they’re not in a Power 5 conference. Thanks for confirming my point. no true Scotsman. They're in FBS. Oregon - Phil Knight = Sun Belt level team. It absolutely IS possible... with enough money. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 17:42:42 GMT -8
And, they’re not in a Power 5 conference. Thanks for confirming my point. no true Scotsman. They're in FBS. Oregon - Phil Knight = Sun Belt level team. It absolutely IS possible... with enough money. Oregon has been in a power league for years. They would still be in that league without Phil. You are nuts. FBS does not equal Power 5 conference We don’t have Phil. When did we join the Sun belt? |
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Post by cake on Jul 29, 2023 17:47:35 GMT -8
no true Scotsman. They're in FBS. Oregon - Phil Knight = Sun Belt level team. It absolutely IS possible... with enough money. Oregon has been in a power league for years. They would still be in that league without Phil. You are nuts. Oregon would absolutely be in the same position we are without Phil Knight, which is potentially dropping into irrelevance in the mountain west when the Pac disappears. Is that much better than the Sun Belt or whatever? Add a rich donor to any startup, or enough commitment from the university, they could get to the point of competing in a major conference relatively quickly. They won't be Ohio State, but they could compete. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 29, 2023 17:51:08 GMT -8
Oregon has been in a power league for years. They would still be in that league without Phil. You are nuts. Oregon would absolutely be in the same position we are without Phil Knight, which is potentially dropping into irrelevance in the mountain west when the Pac disappears. Is that much better than the Sun Belt or whatever? Add a rich donor to any startup, or enough commitment from the university, they could get to the point of competing in a major conference relatively quickly. They won't be Ohio State, but they could compete. The Pac is still alive as of now. And yes, the MWC is way better than the Sun Belt. And uo is currently in the same position as we are. And no, no start up program could compete from the get go in a major conference. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 29, 2023 18:44:50 GMT -8
'Oregon State University joins with other Pac-12 members (doesn't say current, former, remaining, or otherwise)
>>> Other Pac-10 members mean the other schools in the conference. Pretty plain and simple. She's not talking about Idaho or Montana.
in reaffirming our commitment to the long-term strength and vitality of the conference. (doesn't state reaffirming our commitment to the Pac-12 for the long-term strength and vitality of the conference).
>>>That's exactly what it says.
We are united by our shared values our passion for the highest level of intercollegiate athletic competition, our leadership roles as Tier 1 research universities and our support for student-athletes; academic and athletic success'
>>> We and our in this case is the collective we and our, the remaining nine teams, united by their shared values.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 29, 2023 20:30:30 GMT -8
Georgia State and Charlotte started up within the last 15 years. Ready for your 'no true Scotsman' rebuttal... And, they’re not in a Power 5 conference. Thanks for confirming my point. Charlotte has 29k students, Georgia State has over 50k. These are big schools in football rabid areas, I suspect there's a lot of alumni money available compared to a 7k school. Kudos to them. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 29, 2023 20:34:42 GMT -8
What we really need is Oregon and UW to vocalize their commitment to the conference as the Beavs did. That would go a long way in settling things. The statements made by President Muthy and AD Barnes did not solidify their commitment to the conference. What President Murthy stated was
'Oregon State University joins with other Pac-12 members (doesn't say current, former, remaining, or otherwise) in reaffirming our commitment to the long-term strength and vitality of the conference. (doesn't state reaffirming our commitment to the Pac-12 for the long-term strength and vitality of the conference). We are united by our shared values our passion for the highest level of intercollegiate athletic competition, our leadership roles as Tier 1 research universities and our support for student-athletes; academic and athletic success'
This reads more like a resignation letter, cover letter on a resume, or an exit statement. If They wanted to use these words and sound sincere with their committment to the conference, they would phrse it more direct than indirect and backhandedly.
Man, you take a very different slant than I do on interpreting that statement. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 29, 2023 20:57:10 GMT -8
I’m amazed by how many people think you can just start up a football team and compete in a big conference……fyi-it’s impossible. Georgia State and Charlotte started up within the last 15 years. Ready for your 'no true Scotsman' rebuttal... St Copius of ….. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 21:30:17 GMT -8
If Gonzaga could somehow pull a rabbit out of their hat and get a stadium and start a football program (how much would it take to start a program from scratch these days anyways? Probably multiples of what it takes to run an existing program) and get invited to the conference, I'd consider what could happen to WSU akin to what could happen to OSU if Portland State were invited to the conference, except that PSU has about 3.5 times the students that Gonzaga has. Both are schools in reasonably big to big metro areas within 80-90 miles of existing schools in small metro areas. People think the Bay Area schools would worry about Fresno taking their fanbase, this would be that in multiples. If we are only looking at markets, these days OSU and U of O wouldn’t be accepted. Same market. I think it would be an interesting experiment. And I think Gonzaga and Santa Clara would hold some recruiting advantages over other schools so might be able to make that leap from 0 to 60 faster than other schools. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 29, 2023 21:39:13 GMT -8
If Gonzaga could somehow pull a rabbit out of their hat and get a stadium and start a football program (how much would it take to start a program from scratch these days anyways? Probably multiples of what it takes to run an existing program) and get invited to the conference, I'd consider what could happen to WSU akin to what could happen to OSU if Portland State were invited to the conference, except that PSU has about 3.5 times the students that Gonzaga has. Both are schools in reasonably big to big metro areas within 80-90 miles of existing schools in small metro areas. People think the Bay Area schools would worry about Fresno taking their fanbase, this would be that in multiples. I’m amazed by how many people think you can just start up a football team and compete in a big conference……fyi-it’s impossible. Perhaps because we’ve lived through expansion in many leagues, so we know it can be possible. It doesn’t mean it will happen or that it is even what the schools want. Who’s to say it is impossible? You? Lol |
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