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Post by irimi on Jul 27, 2023 19:04:22 GMT -8
Why is it not good? The Pac 10 was awesome without them. They didn't bring much to the Pac. If the Pac is smart and pencils in SDSU and a few more, we won't even miss them. The only way this goes bad is if it brings about an exodus. Realistically, though, I think it's just CU trying to get the fans back. And when Arizona leaves the same thing will be posted. It may last a year or two if at all but half the conference is making a lot of phone calls today. One more defection and everything is toast. This is dumb. Arizona is a quality Pac school. They excel at a number of sports, so if they move, yes, it would be a big deal. No one here would say that it wouldn't be. But they aren't. So losing CU isn't good, but it's far less consequential. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 27, 2023 19:06:56 GMT -8
The bigger takeaway. Klavikoff has no plan. Schools won’t wait around forever.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 27, 2023 19:46:16 GMT -8
Lots of doomsayers here. Quite frankly, I don’t get it. I don’t see it. I’m not impressed. Well, we really don't have any leverage. Had we built our football program up a few years earlier (thanks andopants!) we might be in a better position.......if our men's B ball program wasn't a dumpster fire......Baseball and wrestling don't really move the needle in the big picture. I'm not super excited about battling Boise for dominance in the MWC, but that may be our reality. To be honest, we've kind of been on par with the MWC for some time. We mostly (pre 9er anyway) compete for the same recruits. 9er has upped recruiting significantly. Not being in a power 5 will likely nullify any recruiting advantage vs a school like Boise, or SDSU. Less money to keep 9er around......I guarantee if we end up in the MWC the vultures will be circling to snatch up 9er. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jul 27, 2023 20:36:26 GMT -8
SDSU would bring more to the Pac than CU ever did........just sayin'
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jul 28, 2023 0:58:53 GMT -8
The bigger takeaway. Klavikoff has no plan. Schools won’t wait around forever. Its amusing to me everyone points the finger at GK. IMO the arrogance of his Pac 12 bosses and their inability to read the tea leaves is the real culprit. You even see it here with more than a few regulars (and I love you all). But yeah...you've had your heads burried in dirt too. The Pac 12 has acted like entitled bitches for years as if it's on the same level as the real power players in college football. So much so that a conference on the ropes with core programs like Kansas and Iowa State leapfrogged the Pac 12 by adding G5 stalwarts Cincy and Houston and Tampa/orlando State. But the Pac 12 research institutions and elitist academics amarite? So George started this process with a really bad hand...and a s%#tty product to sell. He will take the blame...but really this is all on the Pac 12 powers that be |
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Post by seastape on Jul 28, 2023 5:39:13 GMT -8
The bigger takeaway. Klavikoff has no plan. Schools won’t wait around forever. Its amusing to me everyone points the finger at GK. IMO the arrogance of his Pac 12 bosses and their inability to read the tea leaves is the real culprit. You even see it here with more than a few regulars (and I love you all). But yeah...you've had your heads burried in dirt too. The Pac 12 has acted like entitled bitches for years as if it's on the same level as the real power players in college football for years. So much so that a conference on the ropes with core programs like Kansas and Iowa State leapfrogged the Pac 12 by adding G5 stalwarts Cincy and Houston and Tampa/orlando State. But the Pac 12 research institutions and elitist academics amarite? So George started this process with a really bad hand...and a s%#tty product to sell. He will take the blame...but really this is all on the Pac 12 powers that be Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by beaverology on Jul 28, 2023 5:59:01 GMT -8
I'll go a step further. I blame former OSU prez Ed Ray. He was Larry Scott's #1 supporter. I get that people make mistakes, but Ray watched for 10 years as Larry made one blunder after another and he said nothing, and did nothing. This goes for all Pac12 presidents. Why didn't they stop it? Because university presidents in CA, OR and WA secretly don't like football and were willing to stand by and look the other way as the Pac12 conference destroyed itself thru Larry's incompetence.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Jul 28, 2023 6:38:04 GMT -8
I'll go a step further. I blame former OSU prez Ed Ray. He was Larry Scott's #1 supporter. I get that people make mistakes, but Ray watched for 10 years as Larry made one blunder after another and he said nothing, and did nothing. This goes for all Pac12 presidents. Why didn't they stop it? Because university presidents in CA, OR and WA secretly don't like football and were willing to stand by and look the other way as the Pac12 conference destroyed itself thru Larry's incompetence. Is that why we got a smaller new stadium? Don’t expand contract so we get less fans and families attending? |
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Post by elwood on Jul 28, 2023 7:08:45 GMT -8
I'll go a step further. I blame former OSU prez Ed Ray. He was Larry Scott's #1 supporter. I get that people make mistakes, but Ray watched for 10 years as Larry made one blunder after another and he said nothing, and did nothing. This goes for all Pac12 presidents. Why didn't they stop it? Because university presidents in CA, OR and WA secretly don't like football and were willing to stand by and look the other way as the Pac12 conference destroyed itself thru Larry's incompetence. Ed Ray had to support Larry Scott or any President of the PAC-12, whoever it was. Oregon State was/is the largest beneficiary of Pac-12 revenue sharing. Maybe only 2nd to Wazzu but that is debatable. |
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Post by irimi on Jul 28, 2023 9:18:18 GMT -8
I'll go a step further. I blame former OSU prez Ed Ray. He was Larry Scott's #1 supporter. I get that people make mistakes, but Ray watched for 10 years as Larry made one blunder after another and he said nothing, and did nothing. This goes for all Pac12 presidents. Why didn't they stop it? Because university presidents in CA, OR and WA secretly don't like football and were willing to stand by and look the other way as the Pac12 conference destroyed itself thru Larry's incompetence. I think you can go a step further and put some of the blame on ESPN and company, promoting the SEC for the ratings and $$$$. It’s something we’ve bitched about for years. We lost talent to that side of the country, which weakened the conference, making a stronger case for our irrelevance. A chain of events began that snowballed out of control. The CFP showed it clearly. The truth is, until we are consistently in the conversation for national titles, the Pac is irrelevant to the football world. Losing USC hurt our chances as a conference to win a National Title and bring glory back to the Pac. Losing Colorado did not. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 28, 2023 9:31:19 GMT -8
Its amusing to me everyone points the finger at GK. IMO the arrogance of his Pac 12 bosses and their inability to read the tea leaves is the real culprit. You even see it here with more than a few regulars (and I love you all). But yeah...you've had your heads burried in dirt too. The Pac 12 has acted like entitled bitches for years as if it's on the same level as the real power players in college football for years. So much so that a conference on the ropes with core programs like Kansas and Iowa State leapfrogged the Pac 12 by adding G5 stalwarts Cincy and Houston and Tampa/orlando State. But the Pac 12 research institutions and elitist academics amarite? So George started this process with a really bad hand...and a s%#tty product to sell. He will take the blame...but really this is all on the Pac 12 powers that be Couldn't agree more. It all started from the top... and it's the University Presidents that allowed everything that has gone on. And, not that it would matter to USC, but is there an exit/buyout fee to leave the Pac12? If it was as steep or steeper than the MWC fee(s) I'm not sure UCLA get the approval on top of the other money they have to shell out. I have never heard mention of such a fee although it was very prominent in the SDSU articles. And, if there is not some hefty fee it is just another example of how second rate the Pac12. There are "damages" to the other conference teams and that should be mitigated by such exit fees. Anyway... many here have made the "point people" (Larry and George) targets of their ire, but many here have also mentioned ALL the Pac12 Presidents as a huge part of the entire TV fiasco. Not to mention officiating, business model/spending, etc. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 28, 2023 9:41:23 GMT -8
I'll go a step further. I blame former OSU prez Ed Ray. He was Larry Scott's #1 supporter. I get that people make mistakes, but Ray watched for 10 years as Larry made one blunder after another and he said nothing, and did nothing. This goes for all Pac12 presidents. Why didn't they stop it? Because university presidents in CA, OR and WA secretly don't like football and were willing to stand by and look the other way as the Pac12 conference destroyed itself thru Larry's incompetence. He shares 1/12 of the blame. |
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 28, 2023 9:43:44 GMT -8
It all started from the top... and it's the University Presidents that allowed everything that has gone on. And, not that it would matter to USC, but is there an exit/buyout fee to leave the Pac12? If it was as steep or steeper than the MWC fee(s) I'm not sure UCLA get the approval on top of the other money they have to shell out. I have never heard mention of such a fee although it was very prominent in the SDSU articles. And, if there is not some hefty fee it is just another example of how second rate the Pac12. There are "damages" to the other conference teams and that should be mitigated by such exit fees. Anyway... many here have made the "point people" (Larry and George) targets of their ire, but many here have also mentioned ALL the Pac12 Presidents as a huge part of the entire TV fiasco. Not to mention officiating, business model/spending, etc. No fee because the LA schools are leaving after the current rights agreement expires. The interesting thing to me is, I assume that is why CU is leaving then too. I thought the remaining PAC12(10 Teams) had agreed to the next Media Rights agreement. Must not be signed/binding by the "current" PAC schools.(including CU) |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 28, 2023 9:48:18 GMT -8
It all started from the top... and it's the University Presidents that allowed everything that has gone on. And, not that it would matter to USC, but is there an exit/buyout fee to leave the Pac12? If it was as steep or steeper than the MWC fee(s) I'm not sure UCLA get the approval on top of the other money they have to shell out. I have never heard mention of such a fee although it was very prominent in the SDSU articles. And, if there is not some hefty fee it is just another example of how second rate the Pac12. There are "damages" to the other conference teams and that should be mitigated by such exit fees. Anyway... many here have made the "point people" (Larry and George) targets of their ire, but many here have also mentioned ALL the Pac12 Presidents as a huge part of the entire TV fiasco. Not to mention officiating, business model/spending, etc. No fee because the LA schools are leaving after the current rights agreement expires. The interesting thing to me is, I assume that is why CU is leaving then too. I thought the remaining PAC12(10 Teams) had agreed to the next Media Rights agreement. Must not be signed/binding by the "current" PAC schools.(including CU) No, the remaining schools haven't agreed to anything....that's the problem. The current agreement ends after this upcoming season and everyone is free to leave. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Jul 28, 2023 9:53:41 GMT -8
Looking back, what if the Pac 12 had hired the now Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark instead of George K. Would we be in the position we are in now. Yormark has been super aggressive and time will tell whether he crashes and burns or not but any plan is better than no plan. Gen. Patton said a good plan executed today is better than a perfect plan executed next week
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