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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Jul 27, 2023 13:51:25 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 27, 2023 14:01:43 GMT -8
Thanks for the memories, Colorado:
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 27, 2023 14:12:34 GMT -8
When SDSU joins and Colorado leaves, the Pac will gain a much better men's basketball program, a better football program, and a growing TV market where the conference's football team won't play second-fiddle (and a poor second fiddle at that) to an NFL team.
We will also gain decent baseball and softball programs, something Colorado did not offer and something the Pac needed with the departure of the SoCal schools. We gain a school in the Pac's historical geographic and recruiting footprint.
To me, Colorado always seemed like a Pac outlier. We hardly ever played them in anything.
Again, call me crazy, but this may not be an altogether bad thing.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 27, 2023 14:25:23 GMT -8
When SDSU joins and Colorado leaves, the Pac will gain a much better men's basketball program, a better football program, and a growing TV market where the conference's football team won't play second-fiddle (and a poor second fiddle at that) to an NFL team. We will also gain decent baseball and softball programs, something Colorado did not offer and something the Pac needed with the departure of the SoCal schools. We gain a school in the Pac's historical geographic and recruiting footprint. To me, Colorado always seemed like a Pac outlier. We hardly ever played them in anything. Again, call me crazy, but this may not be an altogether bad thing. Well that puts a positive spin on it and brings us out of the dark and a bright light now shows. Or is that bright light a train coming at us. |
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Post by 411500 on Jul 27, 2023 14:36:56 GMT -8
I think it's not altogether a bad thing if Colorado is the only school to bolt.
If another school leaves, then the Pac is in deep yogurt.
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 27, 2023 14:37:26 GMT -8
Got a question about the newly remodeled reser and the debt incurred. How does the bond get repaid IF we go to the mountain west and as a result fewer tickets are sold and the price of those tickets are reduced AND the tv money plummets?
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 27, 2023 15:05:26 GMT -8
Got a question about the newly remodeled reser and the debt incurred. How does the bond get repaid IF we go to the mountain west and as a result fewer tickets are sold and the price of those tickets are reduced AND the tv money plummets? If we moved to the MWC, that does not necessarily mean they're going to lower ticket prices. The TV money to pay and keep the football coaches and support the program will be the primary problem. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jul 27, 2023 15:06:45 GMT -8
I think it's not altogether a bad thing if Colorado is the only school to bolt. If another school leaves, then the Pac is in deep yogurt. GO BEAVS!! I vote for deep yogurt. I said this earlier: I have no insights into what is likely, but the intrigue around media deals and questions about GeorgeK's ability to get it done grow with time. My completely baseless bias is in the thought that UO/UW think they are too good for a dimini$hed Pac-10 and will jump if afforded the opportunity and reasonable optics around a departure (can you tell I am not a big fan of those schools?), and one or more of the Four corner schools will blink (likely Colorado) and cause a cascade effect there. Because at the moment media/entertainment companies have a lot on their minds, and as someone pointed out, there is no audience west of the Pac-10 geography (at least none that Larry Scott managed to engage). It strikes me that the big "linear programming" broadcasters can enhance the value and visibility of their *existing* conference agreements if the Pac-9 falls apart and the most valuable audiences supplement existing deals......Why would you commit a large sum of money to the Pac-9 at this moment, when you actually might pick up the "brand name" West coast schools and/or the three corner schools under already signed deals? You can filter out the valuable properties out of the Pac-9 by just not returning GeorgeK's calls (if they ever were). ESPN is up for sale, so they are not a factor. SDSU is going to think twice - I think they were trying to push any media deal in the works past the finish line by signaling their willingness to join the Pac-11's new broadcast deal (and likely attract at least 1 or more other new schools to join) and that didn't work out. Colorado waited an optically appropriate amount of time - and now WA or uo, or UA, ASU, Utah, maybe even a Stanford is going to start wanting to hedge their bets, somewhere, anywhere. There are a lot of things working against GeorgeK pulling a rabbit out of the hat, and a lot fewer things working against the rabbits fleeing the hat..... Weird times, but with absolutely NO information, I suspect more conference movement ahead, and not of the positive sort for us. Go Beavers!!! (where, though?) |
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Post by beavaristotle on Jul 27, 2023 15:10:15 GMT -8
When SDSU joins and Colorado leaves, the Pac will gain a much better men's basketball program, a better football program, and a growing TV market where the conference's football team won't play second-fiddle (and a poor second fiddle at that) to an NFL team. We will also gain decent baseball and softball programs, something Colorado did not offer and something the Pac needed with the departure of the SoCal schools. We gain a school in the Pac's historical geographic and recruiting footprint. To me, Colorado always seemed like a Pac outlier. We hardly ever played them in anything. Again, call me crazy, but this may not be an altogether bad thing. Well that puts a positive spin on it and brings us out of the dark and a bright light now shows. Or is that bright light a train coming at us. Choo Choo |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 27, 2023 15:13:18 GMT -8
Dang. Lost the football doormat.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 27, 2023 15:16:12 GMT -8
Got a question about the newly remodeled reser and the debt incurred. How does the bond get repaid IF we go to the mountain west and as a result fewer tickets are sold and the price of those tickets are reduced AND the tv money plummets? If we moved to the MWC, that does not necessarily mean they're going to lower ticket prices. The TV money to pay and keep the football coaches and support the program will be the primary problem. Not going to lower the ticket price? You'd be going from a f350 supercab to a ford ranger. Nobody is going to pay the same price to see completely different talent levels. |
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Post by ftd on Jul 27, 2023 15:16:46 GMT -8
Got a question about the newly remodeled reser and the debt incurred. How does the bond get repaid IF we go to the mountain west and as a result fewer tickets are sold and the price of those tickets are reduced AND the tv money plummets? If we moved to the MWC, that does not necessarily mean they're going to lower ticket prices. The TV money to pay and keep the football coaches and support the program will be the primary problem.yup....along with all the other coaches in major sports. BUT we will have the nicest FB stadium in the MWC! |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 27, 2023 15:28:46 GMT -8
Well that puts a positive spin on it and brings us out of the dark and a bright light now shows. Or is that bright light a train coming at us. Choo Choo Yeah, the old "we didn't want them anyway" routine. No matter how you look at it, it's not good. I'm not sure TV revenue talk is ever accurate until that particular year is actually paid out. But, Buffs have a very solid athletic tradition overall. They get to collect a sizeable yearly check while their major money maker will suck. It's obvious that Colorado administration knows more than a fan board. This tells me George has failed miserably in securing a new TV deal. If not why does Colorado move for seemingly less $. From numerous sites the Pac12 paid out $37 mil per school. Isn't the B12's new deal supposed to be $31 mil per for the existing schools? Is there some escalator clause if they add Colorado? Again, $37 mil per Pac12 school for '21-22 was from one article. Other rumors have George getting no where near that interest. Also, never seen this mentioned... is there no buy out or penalty clause to leave the Pac12. If the MWC has such a significant #, and penalty date that doubles it, does the Pac12? Lol, maybe the move is to see what the MWC TV contract is/ will be and become the new BSU and excel there. You can increase national exposure with a NC schedule in every sport. I mean really, Reser is a MWC sized stadium. Really nice one, but at 35k+ OSU will never draw home & home with elite national powers. They just can't afford the payouts. Better big fish smaller pond, than fish in a pond drying up! |
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Post by irimi on Jul 27, 2023 15:31:17 GMT -8
Not gonna cry about losing CU. They were not here long enough and they weren't good enough to make much of a statement in any real sport.
I suspect that this is a way to bring fans who'd lost interest (because of the ineptitude) back into the fold. Excite them with a big coaching hire and the promise of renewed rivalries. I bet folks in Colorado are eating it up, too.
And the football team has already improved--it won't be finishing at the bottom of the Pac 12 anymore.
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Post by irimi on Jul 27, 2023 15:34:18 GMT -8
Yeah, the old "we didn't want them anyway" routine. No matter how you look at it, it's not good. I'm not sure TV revenue talk is ever accurate until that particular year is actually paid out. But, Buffs have a very solid athletic tradition overall. They get to collect a sizeable yearly check while their major money maker will suck. It's obvious that Colorado administration knows more than a fan board. This tells me George has failed miserably in securing a new TV deal. If not why does Colorado move for seemingly less $. From numerous sites the Pac12 paid out $37 mil per school. Isn't the B12's new deal supposed to be $31 mil per for the existing schools? Is there some escalator clause if they add Colorado? Again, $37 mil per Pac12 school for '21-22 was from one article. Other rumors have George getting no where near that interest. Also, never seen this mentioned... is there no buy out or penalty clause to leave the Pac12. If the MWC has such a significant #, and penalty date that doubles it, does the Pac12? Lol, maybe the move is to see what the MWC TV contract is/ will be and become the new BSU and excel there. You can increase national exposure with a NC schedule in every sport. I mean really, Reser is a MWC sized stadium. Really nice one, but at 35k+ OSU will never draw home & home with elite national powers. They just can't afford the payouts. Better big fish smaller pond, than fish in a pond drying up! Why is it not good? The Pac 10 was awesome without them. They didn't bring much to the Pac. If the Pac is smart and pencils in SDSU and a few more, we won't even miss them. The only way this goes bad is if it brings about an exodus. Realistically, though, I think it's just CU trying to get the fans back. |
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