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Post by joeavocado on Jun 14, 2023 13:54:46 GMT -8
Wasn't it part of Shelton's job to shake the trees for NIL investors in his program? He has to have contacts with his Dad playing in the NBA and all the former NBA players from OSU. Can't you recruit some investments? Seems weird to just bail and then complain about NIL limitations at OSU to the media. Doesn't reflect great on him.
Let's assume Taylor got $100k, and gets to play for a great coach, but he committed to them early and they've signed a ton of high quality transfers since he signed with them. So...would you rather be the 6th or 7th man at St John's with $100k in your pocket (before taxes), or the #2 guy at OSU for a minimal NIL deal?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 14, 2023 13:54:50 GMT -8
I wonder how Smith competes with similar limitations.Hmmm. coaching? There have been rumors of basketball players getting offered high 6 figure and even 7 figure under the table payments for years... uo was one of the schools mentioned several years back. I don't recall hearing any rumors of numbers that high from football until this whole NIL thing came up. Football and basketball are completely different sports. 1 to 5 bought players can influence a team a heck of a lot more in a sport with 5 starters than in a sport with 22 starters, 85 scholarships a year vs 13 scholarships... a willing coach/school/donor gets a LOT more bang for the buck out of basketball than in football. I'll leave you with an article from 2015 about the theoretical (because "nobody" was getting payed in those days, wink wink) player worth difference between football and basketball - www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-player-value-2015-3
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 14, 2023 14:07:43 GMT -8
Wasn't it part of Shelton's job to shake the trees for NIL investors in his program? He has to have contacts with his Dad playing in the NBA and all the former NBA players from OSU. Can't you recruit some investments? Seems weird to just bail and then complain about NIL limitations at OSU to the media. Doesn't reflect great on him. Let's assume Taylor got $100k, and gets to play for a great coach, but he committed to them early and they've signed a ton of high quality transfers since he signed with them. So...would you rather be the 6th or 7th man at St John's with $100k in your pocket (before taxes), or the #2 guy at OSU for a minimal NIL deal? If a person were to know Shelton, it'd be very interesting to hear off the record comments on just how much he was hearing about $$$ from potential recruits. I'd bet with the 4 and 5 star kids it is quite common, and a school with our 30+ year reputation is going to have a tough time talking a kid into coming here, especially now that "payment" agreements are legal. What will be curious will be to see if OSU might be able to step up on this. About 15/17 years ago Hawaii's Colt Brennan came out with heavy facilities criticism after a record year. Locals (I lived there then) were stunned and there was outrage that the University wouldn't step forward. I think his message got them soap in the showers and maybe laundry service for the gear. www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2860712
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Post by 93beav on Jun 14, 2023 14:29:34 GMT -8
Hey, you know the baseball team needs a couple of starting pitchers and WBB just needs a couple of more post players and the football team...
Honestly, OSU doesn't have the volume or magnitude of donors sitting around like the really big schools (and I don't meant the little one down the road, I mean more like Texas). We've all talked about this before, it shouldn't be a surprise. At some point, you have X dollars in the pot to pass out. Somebody has to prioritize what sport is going to get what money. Football makes more money than any other sport, so you'd think the return would be higher (maybe that won't be the case with the new unequal sharing for post-season revenue). Otherwise, somebody is going to have to pony up some $$$$ or start their own NIL in order to compete.
I hesitate to say this because it sounds more dramatic than I want it to - but at some point, OSU may just have to choose to be a basketball, football or baseball school and throw all of its NIL $$$ behind one of those.
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jun 14, 2023 14:37:01 GMT -8
On piece of advice I got early in my career when I was going to make a job change that I have since given to people switching jobs is "make your departure classy" - don't say or do anything that could come back to haunt you, it's a small world, paths cross more often than one thinks. The coaching community is small, and I suspect this advice would apply in the coaching field of endeavor as well. I don't know if Shelton followed this advice. He could have gushed about the mountains in Colorado or something and left it at that....
Also, the NIL is altering the collegiate athletics landscape in ways that eliminate many avenues for me to relate to the athletes competing on behalf of my school....."they *wanted* to come to OSU and be a Beaver", "oh, they are majoring in CS also!", "oh, they are sitting in Valley Library cramming for finals just like I did". Harder for me to relate to "oh, they are here because the NIL was favorable". If some reform doesn't occur, I suspect my interest in college ball will wane (it already is).
Interesting times now, and ahead. Go Beavers!
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 14, 2023 14:46:28 GMT -8
A few questions: Is Colorado states NIL that much better? Is CSU NIL better in relation to the athlete they compete to get compared to our NIL and who we hope to get? Is the NIL the real reason he is leaving?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 14, 2023 14:52:23 GMT -8
On piece of advice I got early in my career when I was going to make a job change that I have since given to people switching jobs is "make your departure classy" - don't say or do anything that could come back to haunt you, it's a small world, paths cross more often than one thinks. The coaching community is small, and I suspect this advice would apply in the coaching field of endeavor as well. I don't know if Shelton followed this advice. He could have gushed about the mountains in Colorado or something and left it at that.... Also, the NIL is altering the collegiate athletics landscape in ways that eliminate many avenues for me to relate to the athletes competing on behalf of my school....."they *wanted* to come to OSU and be a Beaver", "oh, they are majoring in CS also!", "oh, they are sitting in Valley Library cramming for finals just like I did". Harder for me to relate to "oh, they are here because the NIL was favorable". If some reform doesn't occur, I suspect my interest in college ball will wane (it already is). Interesting times now, and ahead. Go Beavers! Or making a complaint about an issue many schools have might have been the classy option if he wanted to get out of here? It's an obvious issue the athletic department has to deal with and many people's heads are buried in the sand. He really didn't talk bad about any part of the athletic department, coaching staff or players. Maybe it's his attempt at doing something "productive" on the way out. Hopefully there is significant reform, it might be even more difficult for OSU to match recruiting and retention with the wealthier schools who are utilizing NIL to it's fullest if not.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 14, 2023 14:58:49 GMT -8
So the NIL is a concern by our athletic department and most athletic departments correct? I thought coaches and athletic department personnel were not supposed to have any contact regarding the NIL. I know its foolish to think that but isn't that the official policy/rule/regulation ?
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Post by rafer on Jun 14, 2023 15:00:57 GMT -8
Hey maybe Tinkle will resign next 🤞 Really! If we can't pay the kids, how do we pay your greatest of all time coach? NIL will be the disintegration and downfall of college sports, especially of the non big daddy schools. The Daddy Warbucks like Nike U. USUC, Notre Dame and the like will be left standing, playing in a national conference of about 20 schools. Like everything else, the road of good intentions is littered with pot holes.. The truth of this is disheartening to all who still like the somewhat level playing field of college sports.
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Post by oldbeav on Jun 14, 2023 16:02:36 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Jun 14, 2023 16:09:16 GMT -8
And to think the NIL started because some jerseys were being sold and the athlete wasn't getting a cut. It's way out of control and not going as intended. I was all for NIL, and still am to a lesser extent, but my thought was that players could earn money marketing themselves for endorsement. i envisioned that players like Damien Martinez could, for example, endorse a car company for a free car and cash or get a paycheck if a video game used players' NIL. I was naive, to say the least, to not think that it was going to instantly morph into a pay-for-recruits program.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jun 14, 2023 16:36:30 GMT -8
A few questions: Is Colorado states NIL that much better? Is CSU NIL better in relation to the athlete they compete to get compared to our NIL and who we hope to get? Is the NIL the real reason he is leaving? Ron Harge will sign his autograph on something for you for $50 dollars opendorse.com/coloradostate-rams Don't know how that compares with what he was getting here. Edit: Dang, the link doesn't work, but it's there. Just put Colorado State in the search bar on the broken page, it'll show. Looks like OSU also has opendorse set up for their players.
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Post by bennysdentist on Jun 14, 2023 18:03:48 GMT -8
I’m replying mainly to get closer to sophomore status by football season. Tim wasn’t as smart/shrewd as he coulda/ shoulda been. Hard to recruit in the PAC, esp w/ NIL. Work harder, dude!
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 14, 2023 18:11:52 GMT -8
Whatever happened with shelton happened. Whether his viewpoint is accurate I don't know. What I do know is he doesn't want to be here so bye bye.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 14, 2023 18:34:23 GMT -8
And to think the NIL started because some jerseys were being sold and the athlete wasn't getting a cut. It's way out of control and not going as intended. Exactly! The court case wasn’t P2P.
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