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Post by chinmusic on Mar 27, 2023 17:51:13 GMT -8
Orange beanie, orange shades, orange kool-aid . . . . I'm ready!
I think this is a talented team . . . young, inexperienced and at times, mistake prone. Like it or not this is a rebuilding year. Next year the youngsters return as experienced competitors, wiser and more skilled. I doubt we are done, next year we will likely go through more growing pains as another large and talented recruiting class lands at OSU - freshman that can play early. It will take the '22 and '23 recruiting classes to lay the foundation that will prevent the Beavs from being hollowed out for a season again in the future.
2023 is an outlier, our recruiting retention was out of sync and below standard - we returned 3 starters, 4 reserves and had to fill 2 starting positions with JC transfers. From our 17 man 2019 class we returned McDowell, Dernedde, Lattery and Brown. From the 14 man 2020 class we returned Forrester, Kasper, Thorsteinson, Hunter and Lawson. With our '21 class we have done much better with retention - 12 of the 20 man class are on this year's roster. We lost 4 talented position players to the MLB draft and one transfer from the 2022 team . That left a huge void that had to be filled by Kasper, Guerra, Smith and McDowell (Wheeler remains MIA). I think you may also consider the injury loss of Reed and Trosky for the year as being important.
The Beavers have started 7 freshmen this year and pitched 4 more with 2 promising young arms red-shirting. I hope digesting all of that should bring things into perspective in terms of any realistic Super Regional and Omaha dreams. not that it couldn't happen but in this year's PAC-12, it would be a Herculean feat. . To appreciate this young team, I think you have to have (or develop) an appreciation for development and improvement. Fans need to see that to keep the fire burning and I think as the season plays out, we will see that.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 27, 2023 20:09:12 GMT -8
Last season we were so close! All time outfield, and the best Friday night guy in the country.....wasn't quite enough.
I agree. This team has lots of young talent that needs developing. Recruiting is strong.
It's frustrating to watch the growing pains, but that's what we are seeing. I trust in our coaching staff to develop the talent they are accumulating. Next year, or the year after, we should make a run, if things fall into place.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 27, 2023 21:45:45 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 27, 2023 22:22:24 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. We're not beaten. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 28, 2023 6:30:08 GMT -8
Cedillo is a sophomore, in his first season here. He is exactly the "youth" you think should be playing.
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 28, 2023 6:34:07 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. maybe Trosky for his glove, but he hit .157 this summer for the elks and barely over.200 for the beavers last year. We have enough of that already. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 28, 2023 7:52:29 GMT -8
Cedillo is a sophomore, in his first season here. He is exactly the "youth" you think should be playing. Yea, I'm not ready to give up on Cedillo. Before the regular season he looked like a shoe-in starter in the OF, and one of the best hitters on the team.....so the ability is there for sure. He's come back down to earth big time. |
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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 28, 2023 8:00:24 GMT -8
Conference beavers team batting average .191. Team Mendoza
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Post by grad1973 on Mar 28, 2023 8:22:27 GMT -8
Last season we were so close! All time outfield, and the best Friday night guy in the country.....wasn't quite enough. I agree. This team has lots of young talent that needs developing. Recruiting is strong. It's frustrating to watch the growing pains, but that's what we are seeing. I trust in our coaching staff to develop the talent they are accumulating. Next year, or the year after, we should make a run, if things fall into place. The key for consistency at that top level is recruiting, going forward, will be harder and harder because of nil. With regard to two areas, pitching and landing great hitters. Be aware of nil in all this. Last year comes to mind. After fridays it appeared our pitching dropped against the best teams. . I watched us against Stanford have no answers pitching wise and hitters. Circle Stanford how we compete against them Is a good barameter of the talent we possess. This year more of the same pitching and hitters were not very elite. I agree with your analysis about the youth except the places you can’t have to much drop off. Pitching and hitting. Unless you are a Casey and know how to get runs with bunts and base running. Casey was great getting a lot out of his deficiencies. That’s a unique skill. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 28, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -8
Cedillo is a sophomore, in his first season here. He is exactly the "youth" you think should be playing. Saw him in high school. He is so inconsistent going back to high school.I would rather have Talt with his speed in centerfield and continue to put the ball in play and use that blazing speed |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 28, 2023 8:42:00 GMT -8
Last season we were so close! All time outfield, and the best Friday night guy in the country.....wasn't quite enough. I agree. This team has lots of young talent that needs developing. Recruiting is strong. It's frustrating to watch the growing pains, but that's what we are seeing. I trust in our coaching staff to develop the talent they are accumulating. Next year, or the year after, we should make a run, if things fall into place. The key for consistency at that top level is recruiting, going forward, will be harder and harder because of nil. With regard to two areas, pitching and landing great hitters. Be aware of nil in all this. Last year comes to mind. After fridays it appeared our pitching dropped against the best teams. . I watched us against Stanford have no answers pitching wise and hitters. Circle Stanford how we compete against them Is a good barameter of the talent we possess. This year more of the same pitching and hitters were not very elite. I agree with your analysis about the youth except the places you can’t have to much drop off. Pitching and hitting. Unless you are a Casey and know how to get runs with bunts and base running. Casey was great getting a lot out of his deficiencies. That’s a unique skill. I really don't think NIL is very prevalent in college baseball at this point. There is not enough exposure or money derived from the sport for boosters to dump a bunch of money towards college baseball players. It may get to that, but it's still not much of a factor at this time. People just seem to throw out the NIL excuse for everything negative that happens to OSU programs. |
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Post by joeavocado on Mar 28, 2023 9:11:59 GMT -8
I was surprised they didn't get into the transfer portal to pull in a strong D1 player from elsewhere to fill huge holes at SS and OF. A program the level of OSU should be able to pull starters away from other D1 programs. Knowing your returning SS hit .219 and struck out almost a quarter of his ABs would seem to create an urgent need to upgrade in the offseason. Expecting Freshman and JC transfers to step into these open positions and perform is a big risk. Sure, a couple may surprise and perform well, but it's not a recipe for success. I get some schools utilize the portal more than others, OK State has 6 D1 transfers, ASU has 8, those schools have transfers from Florida, Fla St, Arkansas, TX A&M, UCLA, LSU, Ohio St, etc. Would like to have seen 1 or 2 at OSU.
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Post by oldbeav on Mar 28, 2023 13:05:11 GMT -8
I’ve been told that Krieg has an injured wrist so can’t bat, and Wheeler still has a blurry eye.
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Post by beaver55to7 on Mar 28, 2023 13:24:23 GMT -8
Last season we were so close! All time outfield, and the best Friday night guy in the country.....wasn't quite enough. I agree. This team has lots of young talent that needs developing. Recruiting is strong. It's frustrating to watch the growing pains, but that's what we are seeing. I trust in our coaching staff to develop the talent they are accumulating. Next year, or the year after, we should make a run, if things fall into place. The key for consistency at that top level is recruiting, going forward, will be harder and harder because of nil. With regard to two areas, pitching and landing great hitters. Be aware of nil in all this. Last year comes to mind. After fridays it appeared our pitching dropped against the best teams. . I watched us against Stanford have no answers pitching wise and hitters. Circle Stanford how we compete against them Is a good barameter of the talent we possess. This year more of the same pitching and hitters were not very elite. I agree with your analysis about the youth except the places you can’t have to much drop off. Pitching and hitting. Unless you are a Casey and know how to get runs with bunts and base running. Casey was great getting a lot out of his deficiencies. That’s a unique skill. Bunts and baserunning don't get you many runs when the team batting average in league play is 191. Bunting and baserunning are the least of our offensive problems. Oh for the good old days of last year complaining we couldn't get any production out of the 7,8,9 spots...now the whole roster looks like last years 7,8,9. Cross the bats, kick the fair line, talk about a no-hitter in the third inning, just do something to get the bats rolling. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 28, 2023 14:35:01 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? |
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