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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 16:39:19 GMT -8
I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. except Dern.... Take it up with Mitch. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 29, 2023 16:44:29 GMT -8
I'm not sure which team you guys are watching but Kane might be the best of the first year players, as a JC transfer Sophomore. You can bang on Dernedde and I won't try to defend his play... but Forrester, Bazanna, and Kane are your most consistent and productive hitters right now. You can through in Mason in the last few weeks as well. Our struggle is SS and the OF for production. Frankly Tanner is not meeting his potential either... but don't bang on the infielders they are the offense right now for this team with McDowell, Cedillo, and Turley struggling at the plate. I'm a huge fan of the freshman and they do need reps. They got some today. Look at today’s game. Dernedde’s at bats were basically the same as Forrester. A couple strikeouts and a couple walks. The past couple of games have been the same for Forrester. Your post sort of proves my point. Dernedde can’t buy a break, but Forrester is all golden in fans’ eyes. When do we move on from Forrester batting leadoff? Answer: "Hopefully Friday." |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 17:11:21 GMT -8
No I'm not. I've seen him play SS plenty. Having a guy hit .172 is acceptable to you? If he was Ozzie Smith,maybe but he is not. Look at the last group of shortstops we have had over the last 20 years. Barney,Smith,Army,Morrison,Santos,and Grenier. Who has had one aspect of their game as weak as Dernedde? I played SS and 2b in high school. I think Kane can be adequate there and a much better hitter. I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. It just seems we can find someone better than Dernedde at SS. Too for me,it's not just about a low average. It's about making quality outs when you need to. Moving a runner over to put them in scoring position...hitting a sac fly or a grounder to the right side with a runner on third with less than two outs. Safety squeezing in a runner from third. Those are the kind of things he needs to be able to do. Make a productive out. Small ball... |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 17:33:37 GMT -8
I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. It just seems we can find someone better than Dernedde at SS. Too for me,it's not just about a low average. It's about making quality outs when you need to. Moving a runner over to put them in scoring position...hitting a sac fly or a grounder to the right side with a runner on third with less than two outs. Safety squeezing in a runner from third. Those are the kind of things he needs to be able to do. Make a productive out. Small ball... You are saying: Replace Dernedde and we have a real team. I am saying: If the players who should be hitting were hitting, then Dernedde wouldn’t be a problem.I’m saying his glove is good and he brings a sense of peace and order to the infield. I think we are a better team with Dernedde in the field. You are saying: Kane can do it too. I’m saying: The infield is veterans, except at 3b. They have played well together and know each other. We saw Kane fumble a bit at short early when he had his shot. An easy double play ball mishandled because the communication was not strong between him and Bazz. The solution is that we need our hitters to hit. And you and the others need to take it up with Canham if you really think Dernedde is not contributing. And then Mitch will probably remind you that it’s a freaking team sport. You don’t single out one player when many are at fault. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 17:34:50 GMT -8
Look at today’s game. Dernedde’s at bats were basically the same as Forrester. A couple strikeouts and a couple walks. The past couple of games have been the same for Forrester. Your post sort of proves my point. Dernedde can’t buy a break, but Forrester is all golden in fans’ eyes. When do we move on from Forrester batting leadoff? Answer: "Hopefully Friday." 6th or 7th would be appropriate. Maybe 8th? |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 17:37:04 GMT -8
I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. It just seems we can find someone better than Dernedde at SS. Too for me,it's not just about a low average. It's about making quality outs when you need to. Moving a runner over to put them in scoring position...hitting a sac fly or a grounder to the right side with a runner on third with less than two outs. Safety squeezing in a runner from third. Those are the kind of things he needs to be able to do. Make a productive out. Small ball... Safe to say I'm not a Dernedde fan but if we take him out we have to accept that fielding errors will likely increase. I'm not saying he's a great SS, although he flashes greatness at times, but anyone else is going to have about 100 games less experience at the position. If they can bat .250 and be decent on the field I'm fine with that development step. Kane or Macias would be the moves but you have to accept a drop off on the field as they learn. Next year Trosky should be back and we have some pretty damn good recruits incoming at that position. Dern/Cedillo are the most disappointing players at the plate since P12 imo |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2023 17:43:14 GMT -8
It just seems we can find someone better than Dernedde at SS. Too for me,it's not just about a low average. It's about making quality outs when you need to. Moving a runner over to put them in scoring position...hitting a sac fly or a grounder to the right side with a runner on third with less than two outs. Safety squeezing in a runner from third. Those are the kind of things he needs to be able to do. Make a productive out. Small ball... Safe to say I'm not a Dernedde fan but if we take him out we have to accept that fielding errors will likely increase. I'm not saying he's a great SS, although he flashes greatness at times, but anyone else is going to have about 100 games less experience at the position. If they can bat .250 and be decent on the field I'm fine with that development step. Kane or Macias would be the moves but you have to accept a drop off on the field as they learn. Next year Trosky should be back and we have some pretty damn good recruits incoming at that position. Dern/Cedillo are the most disappointing players at the plate since P12 imo Trosky hit like s%#t last year. Don’t think he’s the answer. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 29, 2023 17:50:14 GMT -8
When do we move on from Forrester batting leadoff? Answer: "Hopefully Friday." 6th or 7th would be appropriate. Maybe 8th? No, I can't agree with this. Between 2-5 is where Donkey needs to be in the lineup. (I actually prefer him at 4) |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 17:52:43 GMT -8
6th or 7th would be appropriate. Maybe 8th? No, I can't agree with this. Between 2-5 is where Donkey needs to be in the lineup. (I actually prefer him at 4) So that he can draw a walk and leave the hitting to someone else? Or strikeout? |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 18:00:35 GMT -8
Safe to say I'm not a Dernedde fan but if we take him out we have to accept that fielding errors will likely increase. I'm not saying he's a great SS, although he flashes greatness at times, but anyone else is going to have about 100 games less experience at the position. If they can bat .250 and be decent on the field I'm fine with that development step. Kane or Macias would be the moves but you have to accept a drop off on the field as they learn. Next year Trosky should be back and we have some pretty damn good recruits incoming at that position. Dern/Cedillo are the most disappointing players at the plate since P12 imo Trosky hit like s%#t last year. Don’t think he’s the answer. uhhhh. 0.288 BA with 0.474 OBP is light years better than Dern. If he was playing at that efficiency as a starter this year he would be one of our best hitters. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 29, 2023 18:23:26 GMT -8
No, I can't agree with this. Between 2-5 is where Donkey needs to be in the lineup. (I actually prefer him at 4) So that he can draw a walk and leave the hitting to someone else? Or strikeout? I agree with you that he needs to be a swinger more than a walker.(but I disagree on his place in the lineup being 6-8) Forrester is being too picky with the college strike zone IMO. Furthermore, batting him leadoff will just lead to him taking more pitches. |
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Post by tamatrix on Mar 29, 2023 18:32:43 GMT -8
Trosky hit like s%#t last year. Don’t think he’s the answer. uhhhh. 0.288 BA with 0.474 OBP is light years better than Dern. If he was playing at that efficiency as a starter this year he would be one of our best hitters. yeah - Judge, why did you feel that way? Don't get me wrong, I wasn't overly confident in him, but .288 was solid...did strikeout too much with 13K of 59AB, but had 9BB too |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 19:10:09 GMT -8
uhhhh. 0.288 BA with 0.474 OBP is light years better than Dern. If he was playing at that efficiency as a starter this year he would be one of our best hitters. yeah - Judge, why did you feel that way? Don't get me wrong, I wasn't overly confident in him, but .288 was solid...did strikeout too much with 13K of 59AB, but had 9BB too He definitely dropped off at the end of the year which I think may have spurred that idea. There was some costly errors too. Perspective though...Dern has 66 AB with 21 SO and 7BB, yikes |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2023 19:11:35 GMT -8
Trosky hit like s%#t last year. Don’t think he’s the answer. uhhhh. 0.288 BA with 0.474 OBP is light years better than Dern. If he was playing at that efficiency as a starter this year he would be one of our best hitters. He had limited at bats last year. He’s not the answer. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 19:12:39 GMT -8
uhhhh. 0.288 BA with 0.474 OBP is light years better than Dern. If he was playing at that efficiency as a starter this year he would be one of our best hitters. He had limited at bats last year. He’s not the answer. 59. That's about the same as Dernedde this year. |
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