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Post by rgeorge on Mar 28, 2023 15:06:44 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? Some underachieving and youth with no experience vs Pac11 talent for sure. But, I'm not seeing any GREAT teams that OSU can't beat if their play improves. But it better start this weekend in what, as of now, is supposed to be a wet/cold/windy series. Besides needing to win a LOT of games the other factor (IMHO) is that the Pac11 has no real dominate teams. Some might develop, but if not with no elite type team(s) to drag the rest of the conference along, the Pac11 might only get (4) bids. And, if you are a middling (4-6) or lower (7-9) I'm wondering how much the tourney will influence invites if the conference is seen as down if you are not in the championship game. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 28, 2023 17:35:42 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? Dallas Macias looked completely lost to start the year, but he has played very well over the last two weeks, when he has been given the opportunity. Garret Forrester has an OPS of .792 in conference play, which is, y'know.......great. Micah McDowell's OBP is .371, which is great. CF and 1B seem great. I am hoping that Macias plays like I think that he will and takes one of the other outfield spots. Past that......... |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 7:41:40 GMT -8
Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? Dallas Macias looked completely lost to start the year, but he has played very well over the last two weeks, when he has been given the opportunity. Garret Forrester has an OPS of .792 in conference play, which is, y'know.......great. Micah McDowell's OBP is .371, which is great. CF and 1B seem great. I am hoping that Macias plays like I think that he will and takes one of the other outfield spots. Past that......... The point of my post wasn't to drag up numbers for each player individually. It was to say that all the players are underperforming in the box. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Look at Turley's numbers. You may be surprised to find that they are pretty close to Forrester's, even with all of his strikeouts and being benched. Now, for the sake of the hypothetical, what would happen if Turley had Forrester's walks and Forrester had Turley's strikeouts? I think Forrester's numbers are inflated because of his walks and Turley's are hurting because of his Ks. In 11 more at bats, Forrester has only 1 more RBI than Turley. Forrester isn't the power hitter of the team. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 9:16:56 GMT -8
The loss of Trosky was huge. We need a shortstop...a legit one. I say go young. Talt,Turley,Macias,and Krieg. Their ceiling is far higher than Cedillo,Kaspar,Dernette,etc.This team isn't close to Omaha. Play the youth to get them experience. Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? I know we're only about 20+ games into the season,and maybe we just aren't good enough to reach the expectations of osu baseball past. If that is the case,imo,the youngsters appear to have a higher ceiling than who is playing currently. The newcomers need playing time and experience. Talt in CF,Turley in RF,Krieg 1b those three come to mind. Play Forrester at 3b,Kane at SS,Dernedde at 2b,and Krieg at 1b. McDowell at LF. Cedillo has been inconsistent going back to high school when I saw him several times. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 29, 2023 9:36:08 GMT -8
Dallas Macias looked completely lost to start the year, but he has played very well over the last two weeks, when he has been given the opportunity. Garret Forrester has an OPS of .792 in conference play, which is, y'know.......great. Micah McDowell's OBP is .371, which is great. CF and 1B seem great. I am hoping that Macias plays like I think that he will and takes one of the other outfield spots. Past that......... The point of my post wasn't to drag up numbers for each player individually. It was to say that all the players are underperforming in the box. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Look at Turley's numbers. You may be surprised to find that they are pretty close to Forrester's, even with all of his strikeouts and being benched. Now, for the sake of the hypothetical, what would happen if Turley had Forrester's walks and Forrester had Turley's strikeouts? I think Forrester's numbers are inflated because of his walks and Turley's are hurting because of his Ks. In 11 more at bats, Forrester has only 1 more RBI than Turley. Forrester isn't the power hitter of the team. I wonder the number of quality AB's is for Forrester vs Turley.....Forrester has hit a lot of balls right on the screws, right at people. Turley has looked completely outmatched at the plate most AB's since conference play. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Mar 29, 2023 9:38:57 GMT -8
Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? I know we're only about 20+ games into the season,and maybe we just aren't good enough to reach the expectations of osu baseball past. If that is the case,imo,the youngsters appear to have a higher ceiling than who is playing currently. The newcomers need playing time and experience. Talt in CF,Turley in RF,Krieg 1b those three come to mind. Play Forrester at 3b,Kane at SS,Dernedde at 2b,and Krieg at 1b. McDowell at LF. Cedillo has been inconsistent going back to high school when I saw him several times. I'll take Bazz at 2nd over Dernedde "any day of the week." |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 11:23:22 GMT -8
Right. Shortstop is where the problem is. And first base. And third base. And outfield. Wait. What position is OK? I know we're only about 20+ games into the season,and maybe we just aren't good enough to reach the expectations of osu baseball past. If that is the case,imo,the youngsters appear to have a higher ceiling than who is playing currently. The newcomers need playing time and experience. Talt in CF,Turley in RF,Krieg 1b those three come to mind. Play Forrester at 3b,Kane at SS,Dernedde at 2b,and Krieg at 1b. McDowell at LF. Cedillo has been inconsistent going back to high school when I saw him several times. You are underselling Dernedde's ability to play short. Watch him in the next game. Watch how quickly his footwork is. Everything that he does with his lower body is really cool. He's been our shortstop for years. No one has the defensive skills to beat him out. So he doesn't hit. Neither does the rest of the team right now. I do love Donkey at 3b and Talt at 1b. And I can't make a lineup without Bazzana. He's the closest thing we have to a lightning bringer. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 11:24:58 GMT -8
The point of my post wasn't to drag up numbers for each player individually. It was to say that all the players are underperforming in the box. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Look at Turley's numbers. You may be surprised to find that they are pretty close to Forrester's, even with all of his strikeouts and being benched. Now, for the sake of the hypothetical, what would happen if Turley had Forrester's walks and Forrester had Turley's strikeouts? I think Forrester's numbers are inflated because of his walks and Turley's are hurting because of his Ks. In 11 more at bats, Forrester has only 1 more RBI than Turley. Forrester isn't the power hitter of the team. I wonder the number of quality AB's is for Forrester vs Turley.....Forrester has hit a lot of balls right on the screws, right at people. Turley has looked completely outmatched at the plate most AB's since conference play. Would you expect different from a freshman? The fact that he has poor at bats and yet still has numbers nearly equal to Forrester tells me either that Turley is super amazing or that Forrester isn't pulling his weight. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 29, 2023 13:34:18 GMT -8
As most know the preseason is looking more and more as the weak sister and Pac12 play is what matters.
Turley's Pac12 numbers... 7 G, 19 AB, 1 R, 2 H, 0 XBH, 0 RBI, 4 BB, 11 K, .105 BA, .261 OBP, .105 SLG are terrible
Forrester's Pac12 stats... 9 G, 30 AB, 5 R, 7 H, 2 XBH, 4 RBI, 9 BB, 8 K, .233 BA, .425 OBP, .367 SLG are poor for Forrester, but no where close to Turley's
LOL... hypothetical... WTF?? If Turley had 7 more hits he'd almost be batting .500!! Turley has struck out... Garrett has walked... numbers aren't inflated or hurting for any other reason than they are earned by performance.
I guess hypothetically if OSU had won every series they'd be tied for 4th... or if we just count the NC Turley is hitting .340... or... or...
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 15:42:41 GMT -8
I know we're only about 20+ games into the season,and maybe we just aren't good enough to reach the expectations of osu baseball past. If that is the case,imo,the youngsters appear to have a higher ceiling than who is playing currently. The newcomers need playing time and experience. Talt in CF,Turley in RF,Krieg 1b those three come to mind. Play Forrester at 3b,Kane at SS,Dernedde at 2b,and Krieg at 1b. McDowell at LF. Cedillo has been inconsistent going back to high school when I saw him several times. You are underselling Dernedde's ability to play short. Watch him in the next game. Watch how quickly his footwork is. Everything that he does with his lower body is really cool. He's been our shortstop for years. No one has the defensive skills to beat him out. So he doesn't hit. Neither does the rest of the team right now. I do love Donkey at 3b and Talt at 1b. And I can't make a lineup without Bazzana. He's the closest thing we have to a lightning bringer. No I'm not. I've seen him play SS plenty. Having a guy hit .172 is acceptable to you? If he was Ozzie Smith,maybe but he is not. Look at the last group of shortstops we have had over the last 20 years. Barney,Smith,Army,Morrison,Santos,and Grenier. Who has had one aspect of their game as weak as Dernedde? I played SS and 2b in high school. I think Kane can be adequate there and a much better hitter. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 15:58:18 GMT -8
Great to see them pull one out without a huge pile of luck. They got hits and pitched it out when they could have crumpled.
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Post by vhalum92 on Mar 29, 2023 16:21:31 GMT -8
Dallas Macias looked completely lost to start the year, but he has played very well over the last two weeks, when he has been given the opportunity. Garret Forrester has an OPS of .792 in conference play, which is, y'know.......great. Micah McDowell's OBP is .371, which is great. CF and 1B seem great. I am hoping that Macias plays like I think that he will and takes one of the other outfield spots. Past that......... The point of my post wasn't to drag up numbers for each player individually. It was to say that all the players are underperforming in the box. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Look at Turley's numbers. You may be surprised to find that they are pretty close to Forrester's, even with all of his strikeouts and being benched. Now, for the sake of the hypothetical, what would happen if Turley had Forrester's walks and Forrester had Turley's strikeouts? I think Forrester's numbers are inflated because of his walks and Turley's are hurting because of his Ks. In 11 more at bats, Forrester has only 1 more RBI than Turley. Forrester isn't the power hitter of the team. I'm not sure which team you guys are watching but Kane might be the best of the first year players, as a JC transfer Sophomore. You can bang on Dernedde and I won't try to defend his play... but Forrester, Bazanna, and Kane are your most consistent and productive hitters right now. You can through in Mason in the last few weeks as well. Our struggle is SS and the OF for production. Frankly Tanner is not meeting his potential either... but don't bang on the infielders they are the offense right now for this team with McDowell, Cedillo, and Turley struggling at the plate. I'm a huge fan of the freshman and they do need reps. They got some today. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 16:26:20 GMT -8
You are underselling Dernedde's ability to play short. Watch him in the next game. Watch how quickly his footwork is. Everything that he does with his lower body is really cool. He's been our shortstop for years. No one has the defensive skills to beat him out. So he doesn't hit. Neither does the rest of the team right now. I do love Donkey at 3b and Talt at 1b. And I can't make a lineup without Bazzana. He's the closest thing we have to a lightning bringer. No I'm not. I've seen him play SS plenty. Having a guy hit .172 is acceptable to you? If he was Ozzie Smith,maybe but he is not. Look at the last group of shortstops we have had over the last 20 years. Barney,Smith,Army,Morrison,Santos,and Grenier. Who has had one aspect of their game as weak as Dernedde? I played SS and 2b in high school. I think Kane can be adequate there and a much better hitter. I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 29, 2023 16:31:01 GMT -8
No I'm not. I've seen him play SS plenty. Having a guy hit .172 is acceptable to you? If he was Ozzie Smith,maybe but he is not. Look at the last group of shortstops we have had over the last 20 years. Barney,Smith,Army,Morrison,Santos,and Grenier. Who has had one aspect of their game as weak as Dernedde? I played SS and 2b in high school. I think Kane can be adequate there and a much better hitter. I agree that Kane appears to be a hitter. I’m also certain the shortstop in high school is nothing like it is at this level. If someone were capable of replacing Dernedde, I’m 100% sure he’d be in there right now. Canham doesn’t seem to play favorites. except Dern.... |
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Post by irimi on Mar 29, 2023 16:34:22 GMT -8
The point of my post wasn't to drag up numbers for each player individually. It was to say that all the players are underperforming in the box. Numbers don't tell the whole story. Look at Turley's numbers. You may be surprised to find that they are pretty close to Forrester's, even with all of his strikeouts and being benched. Now, for the sake of the hypothetical, what would happen if Turley had Forrester's walks and Forrester had Turley's strikeouts? I think Forrester's numbers are inflated because of his walks and Turley's are hurting because of his Ks. In 11 more at bats, Forrester has only 1 more RBI than Turley. Forrester isn't the power hitter of the team. I'm not sure which team you guys are watching but Kane might be the best of the first year players, as a JC transfer Sophomore. You can bang on Dernedde and I won't try to defend his play... but Forrester, Bazanna, and Kane are your most consistent and productive hitters right now. You can through in Mason in the last few weeks as well. Our struggle is SS and the OF for production. Frankly Tanner is not meeting his potential either... but don't bang on the infielders they are the offense right now for this team with McDowell, Cedillo, and Turley struggling at the plate. I'm a huge fan of the freshman and they do need reps. They got some today. Look at today’s game. Dernedde’s at bats were basically the same as Forrester. A couple strikeouts and a couple walks. The past couple of games have been the same for Forrester. Your post sort of proves my point. Dernedde can’t buy a break, but Forrester is all golden in fans’ eyes. |
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