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Post by beaver55to7 on Feb 27, 2023 16:16:52 GMT -8
And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? If Dennis Dodd is so awesome and has such great sources how come he didn't report that USC was negotiating with the b1g for a year (at the same time they were vetoeing expansion of the pac12 that wanted to add unhappy big12 members). He sure got smart all the sudden. Kind of weird that all these 'insiders' sat on that story until the morning that USC announced it, and yet now they know all what is happening 'behind the scenes'. f ing laughable. But keep hanging your hat on what these clowns are telling you now. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 27, 2023 17:28:44 GMT -8
And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? They all missed USC and UCLA going to the Big Ten until a day before it was announced. And Wilner broke the story, not Dennis Dodd. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 27, 2023 19:25:49 GMT -8
And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? If Dennis Dodd is so awesome and has such great sources how come he didn't report that USC was negotiating with the b1g for a year (at the same time they were vetoeing expansion of the pac12 that wanted to add unhappy big12 members). He sure got smart all the sudden. Kind of weird that all these 'insiders' sat on that story until the morning that USC announced it, and yet now they know all what is happening 'behind the scenes'. f ing laughable. But keep hanging your hat on what these clowns are telling you now. Butthurt Pac-10 fan is such an awful look. A simple point was made. Professional sportswriters and reporters have access to info that us mere fan board mortals dont. That doesn't mean they get it right. Nor does it mean they dont get used and abused, or even get the scoop before news drops. But I can almost guarantee you no one on this board has access to the decision makers at ESPN, Amazon, etc. The funny thing is I've never once mentioned Dennis Dodd in this thread! I did post a link from a Sports Illustrated report which started this branch of whine and anger...but it was most certainly not written by Dennis Dodd. Y'all are triggered! |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 27, 2023 19:37:24 GMT -8
If Dennis Dodd is so awesome and has such great sources how come he didn't report that USC was negotiating with the b1g for a year (at the same time they were vetoeing expansion of the pac12 that wanted to add unhappy big12 members). He sure got smart all the sudden. Kind of weird that all these 'insiders' sat on that story until the morning that USC announced it, and yet now they know all what is happening 'behind the scenes'. f ing laughable. But keep hanging your hat on what these clowns are telling you now. Butthurt Pac-10 fan is such an awful look. A simple point was made. Professional sportswriters and reporters have access to info that us mere fan board mortals dont. That doesn't mean they get it right. Nor does it mean they dont get used and abused, or even get the scoop before news drops. But I can almost guarantee you no one on this board has access to the decision makers at ESPN, Amazon, etc. The funny thing is I've never once mentioned Dennis Dodd in this thread! I did post a link from a Sports Illustrated report which started this branch of whine and anger...but it was most certainly not written by Dennis Dodd. Y'all are triggered! I must be missing something. And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 27, 2023 19:47:19 GMT -8
And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? If Dennis Dodd is so awesome and has such great sources how come he didn't report that USC was negotiating with the b1g for a year (at the same time they were vetoeing expansion of the pac12 that wanted to add unhappy big12 members). He sure got smart all the sudden. Kind of weird that all these 'insiders' sat on that story until the morning that USC announced it, and yet now they know all what is happening 'behind the scenes'. f ing laughable. But keep hanging your hat on what these clowns are telling you now. I didn't write the Dennis Dodd part Read it...does that make sense to you? This site has 1998 coding I still struggle with. See Spud I just quoted you and somehow f%#*ed that up. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 27, 2023 19:51:15 GMT -8
Butthurt Pac-10 fan is such an awful look. A simple point was made. Professional sportswriters and reporters have access to info that us mere fan board mortals dont. That doesn't mean they get it right. Nor does it mean they dont get used and abused, or even get the scoop before news drops. But I can almost guarantee you no one on this board has access to the decision makers at ESPN, Amazon, etc. The funny thing is I've never once mentioned Dennis Dodd in this thread! I did post a link from a Sports Illustrated report which started this branch of whine and anger...but it was most certainly not written by Dennis Dodd. Y'all are triggered! I must be missing something. And neither me or Dennis Dodd or all the other writers who pen speculative columns every week have any idea what's going on. Yeah insiders that have reported on college football for years could never have hundreds if not thousands of contacts in the sports media or at the school or conference level...they just make s%#t up like the rest of us. Also how is Notre Dame even a topic for the Pac 12? See above |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Feb 28, 2023 6:24:20 GMT -8
If Dennis Dodd is so awesome and has such great sources how come he didn't report that USC was negotiating with the b1g for a year (at the same time they were vetoeing expansion of the pac12 that wanted to add unhappy big12 members). He sure got smart all the sudden. Kind of weird that all these 'insiders' sat on that story until the morning that USC announced it, and yet now they know all what is happening 'behind the scenes'. f ing laughable. But keep hanging your hat on what these clowns are telling you now. Butthurt Pac-10 fan is such an awful look. A simple point was made. Professional sportswriters and reporters have access to info that us mere fan board mortals dont. That doesn't mean they get it right. Nor does it mean they dont get used and abused, or even get the scoop before news drops. But I can almost guarantee you no one on this board has access to the decision makers at ESPN, Amazon, etc. The funny thing is I've never once mentioned Dennis Dodd in this thread! I did post a link from a Sports Illustrated report which started this branch of whine and anger...but it was most certainly not written by Dennis Dodd. Y'all are triggered! 1) Please quote 1 thing that I have posted that would indicate I am 'butthurt Pac-10 fan' or that I am 'triggered' 2) Your attack on me ( I am butthurt and triggered) in your post just reinforces my previous opinion of the low quality of your posting. 3) Trying to gaslight us that you had no posts regarding Dennis Dodd reinforces point 2) |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 28, 2023 7:29:10 GMT -8
Butthurt Pac-10 fan is such an awful look. A simple point was made. Professional sportswriters and reporters have access to info that us mere fan board mortals dont. That doesn't mean they get it right. Nor does it mean they dont get used and abused, or even get the scoop before news drops. But I can almost guarantee you no one on this board has access to the decision makers at ESPN, Amazon, etc. The funny thing is I've never once mentioned Dennis Dodd in this thread! I did post a link from a Sports Illustrated report which started this branch of whine and anger...but it was most certainly not written by Dennis Dodd. Y'all are triggered! 1) Please quote 1 thing that I have posted that would indicate I am 'butthurt Pac-10 fan' or that I am 'triggered' 2) Your attack on me ( I am butthurt and triggered) in your post just reinforces my previous opinion of the low quality of your posting. 3) Trying to gaslight us that you had no posts regarding Dennis Dodd reinforces point 2) I'm guessing no other fan board has a member lashing out at Dennis Dodd or any other "clown" (I assume you're referencing other media members) for not breaking the USC/UCLA move? And what exactly is the motivation for your condescension? I do apologize that my inability to edit quotes while posting led you to jump to the conclusion I was both talking s%#t and defending Dennis Dodd in the same post. The person who brought up Dennis Dodd in the first place knew my post was directed to him, which is all I cared about. But thank you for your contribution and jumping in, because without that...there is no Benny's House. I also most certainly agree with you about my low quality posting. Also low energy, low visibility, low grade...just low low low low low low low. But I still got my apple bottom jeans and the boots with the fur, and as they say, the whole club...  |
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Post by beavheart on Feb 28, 2023 10:12:03 GMT -8
So we both agree that the Big10 will probably find that it will need to continue to expand with west coast teams so the LA schools aren't left on an island. Where we differ is that you are giving the decision makers behind all of this a lot more credit than I am. I don't think their plan is as crazy genius as you are making it sound. Realizing after the fact that they will continue to need to expand west pokes a big hole in the "thinking it all through" thing. What happens if the Big12 raids the Pac12 first? Does Big10 start looking at whatever schools are left to fill in? What exactly is the "elevator clause" for expanding with schools that are a net drain on the bottom line? If these guys are all so smart why would they throw good money at a bad investment like that? What happens if the Pac12 pulls a rabbit out of the hat and the other schools aren't as interested in traveling 2 or 3 time zones to play a volleyball match? All of this says nothing about the dramatic increase in travel faced by the Big10 schools if they do add 4 more west coast teams. Pretty sure they already said they aren't interested. Add in the fact that any more schools only serves to further dilute the payout to each school. That leaves the point I was originally making - That if the Big10 adds 6 or more west coast teams (and those might not be the teams they think they will get), then you are getting really close to just being right back where we all started with the Big10 and Pac10, but they major difference is that they will now simply be 2 divisions of the same conference. I suppose one could argue that the big difference is that they would shed dogs like OSU and WSU from the equation, but the Big10 already has their own dogs and by the time this all shakes out OSU and WSU might just be the 2 of the best available options in the end. I also think that once you get over 12 or so teams in a conference it really can't function as a single conference any more. With 16 or more teams in a conference then you have to have separate divisions. Schools will go years without playing schools from the other division. Basically what you have (at least for football) is 2 conferences that share a name. What's the point? Are they really going to fill in the entire football playoff with teams from 2 "conferences". Does an 8-4 SEC team get in over an 11-1 Pac12 team? No, I'm sure it sounded GREAT when they trotted the idea out there. But as time goes on this, indeed, is starting to look more and more like the stuff of drunk, arrogant frat boys. So you randomly throw out Big 12 raiding Pac 12 before Big 10...failing to mention that conference includes West Virginia, USF, and Cincinnati. But Big 10 is the one that didn't think this through? Jeez the Big 12 is meeting with Gonzaga and Fresno State! Think about that and what your premise is here....they don't know what they are doing or thought it through? I'd imagine if either conference raids the Pac 12 they intend to create Divisions to reduce the hassle of travel. USC and UCLA (and for that matter) most of the Big 10 are uberich schools eith uberrich donor bases that just got much richer. They all knew going in the added cost and potential pratfalls. At the end of the day...money is priority #1. LOL conferences can't go to 18, or 20 or more. Of course they can! The two power conferencea, SEC and Big 10, each just went to 16! The more the add the easier to manage by creating regional divisions. May not happen for another 5 or 10 years...but it will happen. The ACC isn't out of the woodwork either. FSU and Clemson are clamoring for that big money. When SEC contract gets renegotiated, won't at all be surprised to see them jump ship. Lastly, I do hope this all fails. So I actually hope you are right. That traveling across 3 time zones isn't at all beneficial to student athletes. It's ludicrous to expect kids to be students while on the road 15 days a month. Unfortunately college sports has nothing to do anymore with "college" or education...no mTter how much the Pac 12 wants to pretend it is. I really don't have time for this, but want to clarify a couple things. First, I know a conference is free to add as many schools to it's ranks as it pleases. This is still a free country. The schools can associate however they want. If all D1 schools wanted to be in 1, enormous conference then that's probably where we'd be. What I AM saying is that you can't feasibly function as a conference past about 12 teams in football. You can only play so many games in a season. How does that work in a 20 team "conference"? You play your division - that's 9 games. Unless you dedicate your entire non-division schedule to playing the other half of your conference then you are going to go a decade without ever playing teams from the other division of your own conference. Even if you limit yourself to only 1 OOC game you are still not going to see teams from your own conference for years and years. Other than being tied together for a CCG game, how is that any different than having the traditional conferences with the occasional H&H with teams from the other conference. Also, I still don't see how this concentrating the biggest sports brands in CFB into just a couple conferences works when the CFB playoff is expanding. Seems counterintuitive to me. Also, how is my suggesting that the Big12 will raid the Pac12 before the Big10 can get around to it "random" in any way whatsoever? What does any of those schools have to do with anything? This is not new news. They have been chirping about grabbing the 4 corner schools for a year now. What in the hell are you even talking about here? I would say it's likely that IF the Pac12 falls apart that there are definitely schools that are headed to the Big12. And, IF that happens, then that pokes a big old hole in the genius behind the Big10 not bringing in anyone besides LA schools, doesn't it??? What if UW and Oregon go to the Big12 while the Big10 is "figuring out who to go after". How does any of this jive with some above-our-heads conference dealing that only the big-wigs could possible understand? Simply put, I know how it LOOKS like this is going to all end up. I just don't think it going to ACTUALLY end up how many people think it is - in the end. I know money is driving the bus, but again, no amount of money makes student-athletes immune to the added travel nor can it change the geography of our country. No, I don't think these far flung conferences are going to last, and I think the LA schools are in for a big wake-up call when they actually start playing in the Big10. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 28, 2023 12:37:02 GMT -8
So you randomly throw out Big 12 raiding Pac 12 before Big 10...failing to mention that conference includes West Virginia, USF, and Cincinnati. But Big 10 is the one that didn't think this through? Jeez the Big 12 is meeting with Gonzaga and Fresno State! Think about that and what your premise is here....they don't know what they are doing or thought it through? I'd imagine if either conference raids the Pac 12 they intend to create Divisions to reduce the hassle of travel. USC and UCLA (and for that matter) most of the Big 10 are uberich schools eith uberrich donor bases that just got much richer. They all knew going in the added cost and potential pratfalls. At the end of the day...money is priority #1. LOL conferences can't go to 18, or 20 or more. Of course they can! The two power conferencea, SEC and Big 10, each just went to 16! The more the add the easier to manage by creating regional divisions. May not happen for another 5 or 10 years...but it will happen. The ACC isn't out of the woodwork either. FSU and Clemson are clamoring for that big money. When SEC contract gets renegotiated, won't at all be surprised to see them jump ship. Lastly, I do hope this all fails. So I actually hope you are right. That traveling across 3 time zones isn't at all beneficial to student athletes. It's ludicrous to expect kids to be students while on the road 15 days a month. Unfortunately college sports has nothing to do anymore with "college" or education...no mTter how much the Pac 12 wants to pretend it is. I really don't have time for this, but want to clarify a couple things. First, I know a conference is free to add as many schools to it's ranks as it pleases. This is still a free country. The schools can associate however they want. If all D1 schools wanted to be in 1, enormous conference then that's probably where we'd be. What I AM saying is that you can't feasibly function as a conference past about 12 teams in football. You can only play so many games in a season. How does that work in a 20 team "conference"? You play your division - that's 9 games. Unless you dedicate your entire non-division schedule to playing the other half of your conference then you are going to go a decade without ever playing teams from the other division of your own conference. Even if you limit yourself to only 1 OOC game you are still not going to see teams from your own conference for years and years. Other than being tied together for a CCG game, how is that any different than having the traditional conferences with the occasional H&H with teams from the other conference. Also, I still don't see how this concentrating the biggest sports brands in CFB into just a couple conferences works when the CFB playoff is expanding. Seems counterintuitive to me. Also, how is my suggesting that the Big12 will raid the Pac12 before the Big10 can get around to it "random" in any way whatsoever? What does any of those schools have to do with anything? This is not new news. They have been chirping about grabbing the 4 corner schools for a year now. What in the hell are you even talking about here? I would say it's likely that IF the Pac12 falls apart that there are definitely schools that are headed to the Big12. And, IF that happens, then that pokes a big old hole in the genius behind the Big10 not bringing in anyone besides LA schools, doesn't it??? What if UW and Oregon go to the Big12 while the Big10 is "figuring out who to go after". How does any of this jive with some above-our-heads conference dealing that only the big-wigs could possible understand? Simply put, I know how it LOOKS like this is going to all end up. I just don't think it going to ACTUALLY end up how many people think it is - in the end. I know money is driving the bus, but again, no amount of money makes student-athletes immune to the added travel nor can it change the geography of our country. No, I don't think these far flung conferences are going to last, and I think the LA schools are in for a big wake-up call when they actually start playing in the Big10. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your premise is, generally speaking, the Big 10 and USC/UCLA didn't really think this through all the way. In other words, educational institutions who's very job it is to advance education, and do so running on massive budgetary constraints, didn't put pencil to pad when considering the full impact of travel, scheduling etc. And inferred in that theory would be people who's very job it is to consider these things, to create budgets, guidelines and whatnot, to negotiate multi-million dollar contracts, they just dropped the ball and said f%#* it lets do it, it should all work out. Nah. These decisions were made and approved at the highest level by university presidents and board members and and legal council at each institution and conference. I guarantee there are spreadsheets upon spreadsheets of dollars and cents that have been bandied about prior to the Big 10 making the move on the LA schools, and the LA schools accepting that invitation. I'd even venture to guess these negotiations have been going on behind the scenes at the most confidential level for a lot longer than we realize. I don't disagree with you whatsoever, this will create headaches, for the schools and the student athletes. But I have an 18 year old, and if he got a scholarship offer to play Lacrosse at USC and do so against some of the most elite schools in the Big 10, or he could go play at some other Pac 10 school, if USC was his first choice he wouldn't bat an eye about signing at USC..travel be damned (but he likes airplanes and hotels). Lastly I'll leave you with this. You know the one thing I've learned from 57 years on this planet? Change is inevitable. The college football landscape is changing, drastically, we've see it evolve more in the past 20 years then it did the prior 100. Your points are all valid. But also similar to many people on this planet that tend to disregard change until change happens. We've been hearing these footsteps for years (consolidation of college football). It's gonna happen. I sure don't know what the end result will be and hope and pray the Pac 12 not only stabilizes, but returns to the top of the heap of college football. But the view from right now....tea leaves and all that. It's not looking good long-term for the Pac 12. But we shall see. Oh hey btw Dennis Dodd haters, did you read his report today including interviews with the likes of Dennis Erickson and Rich Bellotti and RichRod and Neuheisel about the current state of Pac 12 negotiations? Interesting stuff, but then, who are those guys and what do they know? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 28, 2023 13:27:27 GMT -8
I really don't have time for this, but want to clarify a couple things. First, I know a conference is free to add as many schools to it's ranks as it pleases. This is still a free country. The schools can associate however they want. If all D1 schools wanted to be in 1, enormous conference then that's probably where we'd be. What I AM saying is that you can't feasibly function as a conference past about 12 teams in football. You can only play so many games in a season. How does that work in a 20 team "conference"? You play your division - that's 9 games. Unless you dedicate your entire non-division schedule to playing the other half of your conference then you are going to go a decade without ever playing teams from the other division of your own conference. Even if you limit yourself to only 1 OOC game you are still not going to see teams from your own conference for years and years. Other than being tied together for a CCG game, how is that any different than having the traditional conferences with the occasional H&H with teams from the other conference. Also, I still don't see how this concentrating the biggest sports brands in CFB into just a couple conferences works when the CFB playoff is expanding. Seems counterintuitive to me. Also, how is my suggesting that the Big12 will raid the Pac12 before the Big10 can get around to it "random" in any way whatsoever? What does any of those schools have to do with anything? This is not new news. They have been chirping about grabbing the 4 corner schools for a year now. What in the hell are you even talking about here? I would say it's likely that IF the Pac12 falls apart that there are definitely schools that are headed to the Big12. And, IF that happens, then that pokes a big old hole in the genius behind the Big10 not bringing in anyone besides LA schools, doesn't it??? What if UW and Oregon go to the Big12 while the Big10 is "figuring out who to go after". How does any of this jive with some above-our-heads conference dealing that only the big-wigs could possible understand? Simply put, I know how it LOOKS like this is going to all end up. I just don't think it going to ACTUALLY end up how many people think it is - in the end. I know money is driving the bus, but again, no amount of money makes student-athletes immune to the added travel nor can it change the geography of our country. No, I don't think these far flung conferences are going to last, and I think the LA schools are in for a big wake-up call when they actually start playing in the Big10. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your premise is, generally speaking, the Big 10 and USC/UCLA didn't really think this through all the way. In other words, educational institutions who's very job it is to advance education, and do so running on massive budgetary constraints, didn't put pencil to pad when considering the full impact of travel, scheduling etc. And inferred in that theory would be people who's very job it is to consider these things, to create budgets, guidelines and whatnot, to negotiate multi-million dollar contracts, they just dropped the ball and said f%#* it lets do it, it should all work out. Nah. These decisions were made and approved at the highest level by university presidents and board members and and legal council at each institution and conference. I guarantee there are spreadsheets upon spreadsheets of dollars and cents that have been bandied about prior to the Big 10 making the move on the LA schools, and the LA schools accepting that invitation. I'd even venture to guess these negotiations have been going on behind the scenes at the most confidential level for a lot longer than we realize. I don't disagree with you whatsoever, this will create headaches, for the schools and the student athletes. But I have an 18 year old, and if he got a scholarship offer to play Lacrosse at USC and do so against some of the most elite schools in the Big 10, or he could go play at some other Pac 10 school, if USC was his first choice he wouldn't bat an eye about signing at USC..travel be damned (but he likes airplanes and hotels). Lastly I'll leave you with this. You know the one thing I've learned from 57 years on this planet? Change is inevitable. The college football landscape is changing, drastically, we've see it evolve more in the past 20 years then it did the prior 100. Your points are all valid. But also similar to many people on this planet that tend to disregard change until change happens. We've been hearing these footsteps for years (consolidation of college football). It's gonna happen. I sure don't know what the end result will be and hope and pray the Pac 12 not only stabilizes, but returns to the top of the heap of college football. But the view from right now....tea leaves and all that. It's not looking good long-term for the Pac 12. But we shall see. Oh hey btw Dennis Dodd haters, did you read his report today including interviews with the likes of Dennis Erickson and Rich Bellotti and RichRod and Neuheisel about the current state of Pac 12 negotiations? Interesting stuff, but then, who are those guys and what do they know? Maybe Dodd would have better info if he talked to Mike Bellotti instead of Rich Bellotti. Rich don't know jack. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 28, 2023 18:28:30 GMT -8
So what’s the final ruling on the Dodd’s decision?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 28, 2023 20:35:14 GMT -8
So what’s the final ruling on the Dodd’s decision? In Seila Law LLC v. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Supreme Court determined that a portion of Dodd-Frank was an unconstitutional violation of the Separation of Powers. |
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