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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 25, 2023 8:58:59 GMT -8
Interesting that this guy is about the only person lately that says ESPN is looking to be the likely TV partner. All conjecture, or does he have anything other than opinion to back it up? |
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Post by beavheart on Feb 25, 2023 10:16:26 GMT -8
Interesting that this guy is about the only person lately that says ESPN is looking to be the likely TV partner. All conjecture, or does he have anything other than opinion to back it up? Good question. First off, he says the Pac12 is wildly underrated, but that it's continued existence is a charade. Could it be that the gross over-valuing of the Big10 isn't the charade? I think a lot of folks are way out over their skis on this whole thing. He talks about the Big10 as if it's simply walking down an aisle at the grocery store picking universities off the shelf as it pleases. Is it really that simple? If the Big10 calls, done deal? Do we even know if the Oregon or Washington legislatures would allow the 2 state schools to be split up? That was a non-starter in the past. Also, how interested are Cal and Stanford in upending the lives of their student athletes with a significant increase in travel? They just might care a little more about about how it will effect their scholastic efforts than the charlatans in LA. This article reads like the last post on Buckeye Nation.com message board. Reading between the lines, it sounds more like folks in the rust best are beginning to realize that the ridiculous travel that USC and UCLA face in this half-baked alignment is NOT sustainable. Even at 3 times the money, student athletes don't stop being people and become robots. This is not going to go well for the LA schools IMO, in particular for their student-athletes in all sports other than Football. Would you want to be a part of that if you are a stud baseball or softball player, or even a basketball player? So, they have to increase the west coast presence for it to make any sense whatsoever. Adding UW, Cal, Stanford, and hole(why?) gets you to 6 teams. Nevermind the fact that you are now 6/10 of the way to the original Pac10, 6 west coast teams only begins to slightly solve the travel issue, and really only makes a significant difference in 1 sport - football. At some point, they will realize that 6 isn't enough and be looking around for more travel partners. Will the 4 corner schools still be available? Is all of this just a way to shed the "dead weight" in the Pac12 to create a consolidated super-power? Because, it's starting to look at lot like the original Big10 and Pac10, only they will be tied together and the Big10 schools will be sharing a significant portion of their TV revenue with the west coast. Also, if that's all this is about, then exactly how are schools like OSU and WSU significantly more dead weight than say Rutgers, or Minnesota, or Iowa, or Purdue, or Northwestern? Just when I think it can't, this whole thing just get's dumber and dumber. Again, I am left hoping that UCLA and USC crash and burn. For forever after this. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 10:44:18 GMT -8
^^^Great post. Bravo!^^^
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 12:18:34 GMT -8
Interesting that this guy is about the only person lately that says ESPN is looking to be the likely TV partner. All conjecture, or does he have anything other than opinion to back it up? He says likely ESPN..but that's not the remotely the point he is trying to make. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 12:27:34 GMT -8
Interesting that this guy is about the only person lately that says ESPN is looking to be the likely TV partner. All conjecture, or does he have anything other than opinion to back it up? Good question. First off, he says the Pac12 is wildly underrated, but that it's continued existence is a charade. Could it be that the gross over-valuing of the Big10 isn't the charade? I think a lot of folks are way out over their skis on this whole thing. He talks about the Big10 as if it's simply walking down an aisle at the grocery store picking universities off the shelf as it pleases. Is it really that simple? If the Big10 calls, done deal? Do we even know if the Oregon or Washington legislatures would allow the 2 state schools to be split up? That was a non-starter in the past. Also, how interested are Cal and Stanford in upending the lives of their student athletes with a significant increase in travel? They just might care a little more about about how it will effect their scholastic efforts than the charlatans in LA. This article reads like the last post on Buckeye Nation.com message board. Reading between the lines, it sounds more like folks in the rust best are beginning to realize that the ridiculous travel that USC and UCLA face in this half-baked alignment is NOT sustainable. Even at 3 times the money, student athletes don't stop being people and become robots. This is not going to go well for the LA schools IMO, in particular for their student-athletes in all sports other than Football. Would you want to be a part of that if you are a stud baseball or softball player, or even a basketball player? So, they have to increase the west coast presence for it to make any sense whatsoever. Adding UW, Cal, Stanford, and hole(why?) gets you to 6 teams. Nevermind the fact that you are now 6/10 of the way to the original Pac10, 6 west coast teams only begins to slightly solve the travel issue, and really only makes a significant difference in 1 sport - football. At some point, they will realize that 6 isn't enough and be looking around for more travel partners. Will the 4 corner schools still be available? Is all of this just a way to shed the "dead weight" in the Pac12 to create a consolidated super-power? Because, it's starting to look at lot like the original Big10 and Pac10, only they will be tied together and the Big10 schools will be sharing a significant portion of their TV revenue with the west coast. Also, if that's all this is about, then exactly how are schools like OSU and WSU significantly more dead weight than say Rutgers, or Minnesota, or Iowa, or Purdue, or Northwestern? Just when I think it can't, this whole thing just get's dumber and dumber. Again, I am left hoping that UCLA and USC crash and burn. For forever after this. Lol wut? The conference that just signed a 7 year...$7 BILLION dollar media rights deal is out over its skis? Seems to me the Big 10 knows exactly where this is going. In fact moreso than the SEC, they are driving the bus. The rest of your post is the very topic this report is addressing. The Big 10 is absolutely going to take more West Coast teams to alleviate travel issues. You could argue a grant of rights deal with the remaining Pac 12 teams is more important than whatever media deal can be negotiated at this point. If the elite programs in the conference won't agree to it...kiss the Pac 12 goodbye. |
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Post by 93beav on Feb 25, 2023 16:47:18 GMT -8
The oddity to me is that all these school presidents are aligned with the concept that "it's all about the money". These are educational institutions, first and foremost - well, they're supposed to be, although I'm betting there's more than a handful of schools that are back to offering underwater basket weaving as a major. These 9 and 10 win schools that never play real OOC games (I'm looking at you, imposter osu), will now have to play much tougher conference games and their OOC cupcakes won't save them. If osu plays usc, something has to give. So in the end, you get more money, but if you keep losing, you lose the playoffs. Is your goal to make more money or to make the playoffs?
I really don't think the PAC media deal will be impressive - there aren't a lot of companies with cash to burn. It'll be some combo of ESPN (probably for 1 After Dark game a week), Amazon for 1 game a week, and then some tertiary player like Apple or <unknown> grabbing 1 leftover, probably for $2-3 million less than the B12.
I think OSU needs to either:
- Start talking to the Big12 if they want to play the game with everyone else and focus on cash.
- Put an extreme focus on cash and try to work with other schools (not necessarily PAC schools) to create a conference where athletes are explicitly called out as employees, with additional rules in place, much like the pros.
- Steer away from cash altogether, and find schools that might be willing to form a new conference where the students really are just student-athletes, football becomes a complete non-profit with maybe a pittance to pay for other schools.
In the best case scenario, a media deal is signed and ACC/PAC merger talk heats up with the idea that some schools may leave for the SEC/B1G and that "new conference" steals a couple of B12 schools to make it truly coast-to-coast, effectively putting the B12 out of business in the next round.
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Post by beavheart on Feb 25, 2023 17:37:16 GMT -8
Good question. First off, he says the Pac12 is wildly underrated, but that it's continued existence is a charade. Could it be that the gross over-valuing of the Big10 isn't the charade? I think a lot of folks are way out over their skis on this whole thing. He talks about the Big10 as if it's simply walking down an aisle at the grocery store picking universities off the shelf as it pleases. Is it really that simple? If the Big10 calls, done deal? Do we even know if the Oregon or Washington legislatures would allow the 2 state schools to be split up? That was a non-starter in the past. Also, how interested are Cal and Stanford in upending the lives of their student athletes with a significant increase in travel? They just might care a little more about about how it will effect their scholastic efforts than the charlatans in LA. This article reads like the last post on Buckeye Nation.com message board. Reading between the lines, it sounds more like folks in the rust best are beginning to realize that the ridiculous travel that USC and UCLA face in this half-baked alignment is NOT sustainable. Even at 3 times the money, student athletes don't stop being people and become robots. This is not going to go well for the LA schools IMO, in particular for their student-athletes in all sports other than Football. Would you want to be a part of that if you are a stud baseball or softball player, or even a basketball player? So, they have to increase the west coast presence for it to make any sense whatsoever. Adding UW, Cal, Stanford, and hole(why?) gets you to 6 teams. Nevermind the fact that you are now 6/10 of the way to the original Pac10, 6 west coast teams only begins to slightly solve the travel issue, and really only makes a significant difference in 1 sport - football. At some point, they will realize that 6 isn't enough and be looking around for more travel partners. Will the 4 corner schools still be available? Is all of this just a way to shed the "dead weight" in the Pac12 to create a consolidated super-power? Because, it's starting to look at lot like the original Big10 and Pac10, only they will be tied together and the Big10 schools will be sharing a significant portion of their TV revenue with the west coast. Also, if that's all this is about, then exactly how are schools like OSU and WSU significantly more dead weight than say Rutgers, or Minnesota, or Iowa, or Purdue, or Northwestern? Just when I think it can't, this whole thing just get's dumber and dumber. Again, I am left hoping that UCLA and USC crash and burn. For forever after this. Lol wut? The conference that just signed a 7 year...$7 BILLION dollar media rights deal is out over its skis? Seems to me the Big 10 knows exactly where this is going. In fact moreso than the SEC, they are driving the bus. The rest of your post is the very topic this report is addressing. The Big 10 is absolutely going to take more West Coast teams to alleviate travel issues. You could argue a grant of rights deal with the remaining Pac 12 teams is more important than whatever media deal can be negotiated at this point. If the elite programs in the conference won't agree to it...kiss the Pac 12 goodbye. They already said that only USC and UCLA add to the pie. Everyone else, UW included, is a net loss for their bottom line. Now they are realizing they can't leave the LA schools on an island. Duh! Now they have to start binging on dead weight to "protect" their investment. No, I don't think they have really considered everything. Also, how does putting all the "best" sports brands in one or two conferences make sense at a time when they are expanding the CFB playoff to 8 or more teams. In hind sight, it might not be so bad to be in a lighter version of the Pac12. At least for now. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 25, 2023 18:57:27 GMT -8
There are plenty of presidents in the Big Ten who want no further expansion. Supposedly one of the reasons the former commish left for the Bears. He was getting serious pushback on further expansion.
Their TV contract is for seven years, for what they expect to be a 16-team conference. The networks signed the deal knowing that the SoCal schools were coming; they are not going to renegotiate an increase in the payout if the Big Ten adds two more teams.
An 18-team league is very unwieldly. Two more teams dramatically decreases everyone's annual cut. It dramatically increases everyone's travel costs (except SC and UCLA). Two more teams lessens the games between the "traditional" Big Ten schools that have 100 years of history between them. Washington and Oregon (for example) don't add anywhere near the value of the SoCal schools.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 19:45:28 GMT -8
There are plenty of presidents in the Big Ten who want no further expansion. Supposedly one of the reasons the former commish left for the Bears. He was getting serious pushback on further expansion. Their TV contract is for seven years, for what they expect to be a 16-team conference. The networks signed the deal knowing that the SoCal schools were coming; they are not going to renegotiate an increase in the payout if the Big Ten adds two more teams. An 18-team league is very unwieldly. Two more teams dramatically decreases everyone's annual cut. It dramatically increases everyone's travel costs (except SC and UCLA). Two more teams lessens the games between the "traditional" Big Ten schools that have 100 years of history between them. Washington and Oregon (for example) don't add anywhere near the value of the SoCal schools. The deal with Fox, CBS, NBC, Peacock and FS1 is for seven years from July 1, 2023, through June 30, 2030, and network sources told Action Network it’s worth between $7 billion and $8 billion. The contract includes an escalator clause, meaning the deal could approach nearly $10 billion if the Big Ten’s membership increases, network sources said. Even after adding USC and UCLA, the Big Ten “is not done” expanding, sources told Action Network. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 19:59:13 GMT -8
Lol wut? The conference that just signed a 7 year...$7 BILLION dollar media rights deal is out over its skis? Seems to me the Big 10 knows exactly where this is going. In fact moreso than the SEC, they are driving the bus. The rest of your post is the very topic this report is addressing. The Big 10 is absolutely going to take more West Coast teams to alleviate travel issues. You could argue a grant of rights deal with the remaining Pac 12 teams is more important than whatever media deal can be negotiated at this point. If the elite programs in the conference won't agree to it...kiss the Pac 12 goodbye. They already said that only USC and UCLA add to the pie. Everyone else, UW included, is a net loss for their bottom line. Now they are realizing they can't leave the LA schools on an island. Duh! Now they have to start binging on dead weight to "protect" their investment. No, I don't think they have really considered everything. Also, how does putting all the "best" sports brands in one or two conferences make sense at a time when they are expanding the CFB playoff to 8 or more teams. In hind sight, it might not be so bad to be in a lighter version of the Pac12. At least for now. Lol yeah they just got drunk one night at the Big 10 conference Christmas party and when UCLA and USC snuck in they said f%#* man you guys are cool...do you want to join our frat? If we can muse randomly about potential downsides here on a sports board about it, I promise you the powers that be examined all aspects of what adding two west coast teams means not just for football...but every sport. And right away they got the biggest media rights contract by miles...with escalator clauses if they add more teams. Now...one could argue if they do expand it will be for east coast teams like UNC...but I don't think they would have come west in the first place. The Big 10 doesn't have to do anything right now. Unless ND opts to join tomorrow...then it does. But eventually it will, and guess which conference is most ripe for picking. That's not just Joe Blow popping off on a Beaver Board...its just about every major college football talking head and analyst. We've literally been reading this very thing would eventually happen for a decade (college football consolidating into mega conferences). Now did anyone think it would be the Big 10 poaching the Pac 12? Nope. And thats exactly my point. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 21:19:06 GMT -8
They already said that only USC and UCLA add to the pie. Everyone else, UW included, is a net loss for their bottom line. Now they are realizing they can't leave the LA schools on an island. Duh! Now they have to start binging on dead weight to "protect" their investment. No, I don't think they have really considered everything. Also, how does putting all the "best" sports brands in one or two conferences make sense at a time when they are expanding the CFB playoff to 8 or more teams. In hind sight, it might not be so bad to be in a lighter version of the Pac12. At least for now. Lol yeah they just got drunk one night at the Big 10 conference Christmas party and when UCLA and USC snuck in they said f%#* man you guys are cool...do you want to join our frat? If we can muse randomly about potential downsides here on a sports board about it, I promise you the powers that be examined all aspects of what adding two west coast teams means not just for football...but every sport. And right away they got the biggest media rights contract by miles...with escalator clauses if they add more teams. Now...one could argue if they do expand it will be for east coast teams like UNC...but I don't think they would have come west in the first place. The Big 10 doesn't have to do anything right now. Unless ND opts to join tomorrow...then it does. But eventually it will, and guess which conference is most ripe for picking. That's not just Joe Blow popping off on a Beaver Board...its just about every major college football talking head and analyst. We've literally been reading this very thing would eventually happen for a decade (college football consolidating into mega conferences). Now did anyone think it would be the Big 10 poaching the Pac 12? Nope. And thats exactly my point. It’s a Fraternity. You don’t call you country a . |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 25, 2023 21:23:30 GMT -8
There are plenty of presidents in the Big Ten who want no further expansion. Supposedly one of the reasons the former commish left for the Bears. He was getting serious pushback on further expansion. Their TV contract is for seven years, for what they expect to be a 16-team conference. The networks signed the deal knowing that the SoCal schools were coming; they are not going to renegotiate an increase in the payout if the Big Ten adds two more teams. An 18-team league is very unwieldly. Two more teams dramatically decreases everyone's annual cut. It dramatically increases everyone's travel costs (except SC and UCLA). Two more teams lessens the games between the "traditional" Big Ten schools that have 100 years of history between them. Washington and Oregon (for example) don't add anywhere near the value of the SoCal schools. The deal with Fox, CBS, NBC, Peacock and FS1 is for seven years from July 1, 2023, through June 30, 2030, and network sources told Action Network it’s worth between $7 billion and $8 billion. The contract includes an escalator clause, meaning the deal could approach nearly $10 billion if the Big Ten’s membership increases, network sources said. Even after adding USC and UCLA, the Big Ten “is not done” expanding, sources told Action Network. No networks with any brains are going to think adding Oregon and Washington increases the value of the deal by up to 25%. The only school that does that is Notre Dame. Every Big Ten team will lose money with further expansion. Unless it includes Notre Dame. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 22:09:06 GMT -8
The deal with Fox, CBS, NBC, Peacock and FS1 is for seven years from July 1, 2023, through June 30, 2030, and network sources told Action Network it’s worth between $7 billion and $8 billion. The contract includes an escalator clause, meaning the deal could approach nearly $10 billion if the Big Ten’s membership increases, network sources said. Even after adding USC and UCLA, the Big Ten “is not done” expanding, sources told Action Network. No networks with any brains are going to think adding Oregon and Washington increases the value of the deal by up to 25%. The only school that does that is Notre Dame. Every Big Ten team will lose money with further expansion. Unless it includes Notre Dame. Who says Oregon and Washington get a full cut? They are begging to get in...pretty sure they know what's at stake. Who is gonna bring the Big 10 more playoff money when it expands...Oregon/Washington or the bottom 10 teams? Bottom line, the Pac 12 is done if these schools won't sign a grant of rights deal. Just a matter of when. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 22:09:46 GMT -8
Lol yeah they just got drunk one night at the Big 10 conference Christmas party and when UCLA and USC snuck in they said f%#* man you guys are cool...do you want to join our frat? If we can muse randomly about potential downsides here on a sports board about it, I promise you the powers that be examined all aspects of what adding two west coast teams means not just for football...but every sport. And right away they got the biggest media rights contract by miles...with escalator clauses if they add more teams. Now...one could argue if they do expand it will be for east coast teams like UNC...but I don't think they would have come west in the first place. The Big 10 doesn't have to do anything right now. Unless ND opts to join tomorrow...then it does. But eventually it will, and guess which conference is most ripe for picking. That's not just Joe Blow popping off on a Beaver Board...its just about every major college football talking head and analyst. We've literally been reading this very thing would eventually happen for a decade (college football consolidating into mega conferences). Now did anyone think it would be the Big 10 poaching the Pac 12? Nope. And thats exactly my point. It’s a Fraternity. You don’t call you country a . Frat boy |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 25, 2023 23:45:44 GMT -8
Lol yeah they just got drunk one night at the Big 10 conference Christmas party and when UCLA and USC snuck in they said f%#* man you guys are cool...do you want to join our frat? If we can muse randomly about potential downsides here on a sports board about it, I promise you the powers that be examined all aspects of what adding two west coast teams means not just for football...but every sport. And right away they got the biggest media rights contract by miles...with escalator clauses if they add more teams. Now...one could argue if they do expand it will be for east coast teams like UNC...but I don't think they would have come west in the first place. The Big 10 doesn't have to do anything right now. Unless ND opts to join tomorrow...then it does. But eventually it will, and guess which conference is most ripe for picking. That's not just Joe Blow popping off on a Beaver Board...its just about every major college football talking head and analyst. We've literally been reading this very thing would eventually happen for a decade (college football consolidating into mega conferences). Now did anyone think it would be the Big 10 poaching the Pac 12? Nope. And thats exactly my point. It’s a Fraternity. You don’t call you country a . Someone better give Spud his heart attack meds (sorry, Spud!) before he checks out this map of Dixon Rec (sorry, Spud!) that OSU (sorry, Spud!) is distributing:  Cardio?!!?!??! Gym?!?!?!?!? Multi?!??!?!?!? How can one person decipher such incomprehensible gibberish? Spud, my boy, I bet that you're all over everyone that calls those things that they wear on their legs "pants," too. Heathens! Coeds? Co-ops? Dorms? Grads? Math? Profs? Pshaw. What are you, an idiot? Don't tell Spud that you're going to a deli to order anything with mayo. He will burn that place to the ground with you in it! If you ask Spud for decaf, expect at least a five-minute dress down. Email! Spud won't provide them that information without it being properly spelled out in full! Spud's started the letter-writing campaign to get the Expos to move to Washington and change their name, just so they would stop calling them the wrong name! He has since started one up for the Mets! Don't mess with spud! Spud's against fracking! He is going to stop it, just to avoid the obvious abbreviation. Spud has stopped using the refrigerator, because everyone keeps calling it fridge. I mean, "Can you believe the nerve?" And don't even get spud started about people calling 'em abs, glutes, and pecs. Grab a torch and pitchfork! And those are not ads on TV, they are advertisements! And bikes, bras, and bros! Don't even get Spud started! Commies, cons, condos, cred, kilos, and kleptos. Not in Spud's house! Spud has never been a "fan" of anything or bought into any "hype." He definitely does not care what their "rep" is. "Spell out the damn word," he says. And, if you really want him to lose it, tell him that one of his "fav" players has gone "pro." Cheese it; it's the Feds. Spud stopped everything mid-heist to explain to Fat Tony, why Fat Tony was wrong. Fat Tony then tried to go legit, so Spud put one into his kneecap. They started to chase after Spud, because he was the perp, but, fortunately, Spud was able to talk to the Feds about why they were wrong to call him that. Spud speeds past "gas" stations. The gall! The hubris! The nerve! Spud had to go electric. At his Super Bowl party, someone asked for some guac, and Spud had to ask him to leave before things got "violent." And when that guy called Spud a "psycho," Spud started to throw hands. Chimps explore their new digs at the zoo's Primate Forest
Rhino RidgeSpud immediately boycotts the Portland Zoo. (Of course, he was already boycotting because of the use of the word "Zoo.") HippoAnd the Wildlife Safari. He had to walk out of Raiders of the Lost Ark, once Brody started calling Indiana "Indy." And if you call it "Raiders" without mentioning the ark or that it's lost, expect to receive a very nasty letter. NBC (which isn't called that) has screwed up the name of the Indy 500 for four consecutive years. Expect it to be five after this year. Spud's letters have not yet stopped this abomination! But give Spud time. Sarge played the sax a little out of sync in San Fran. He was wearing his camo (or was it a tux?), and finished by saying "Semper Fi!" Spud thought about sending off a letter to the DOD but did not want to escalate the situation further. They brought a "limo" to pick Spud up at the airport last time. When that failed, they called him a "taxi." When that failed, he ultimately had to rent his own car. Spud's favorite meal always was mac 'n' cheese and a Coke. Then, after college, he never could bring himself to keep either down and had to change his diet. He thought about lipo but never could go through with it. Photo, piano, pic, and polio. Oh my! The horse long since died, but I wanted to make sure that it was sufficiently beaten afterwards. I probably could expand upon this, but I lost interest a couple of minutes ago. Excuse the typos! Except for you, Spud, because I know that you are incapable of doing so. |
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