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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 21, 2023 22:47:22 GMT -8
He didn't sign the Pac-12 up for the largest conference contract ever? Again, sorry. A revolutionary spender, for sure. You have to spend money to make money. The Pac-12 did not spend money and now stand a great chance at not making money. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 21, 2023 23:29:59 GMT -8
Again, sorry. A revolutionary spender, for sure. You have to spend money to make money. The Pac-12 did not spend money and now stand a great chance at not making money. His spending issues were more in the administrative part of the league business. Moving to the offices in the most expensive real estate in the region was a waste. His 7k a night (something like that) suite in Vegas for an event (can't remember which it was) was a bad look even if they were holding some meetings at the suite. Those thongs led people to bypass the good things he did for the league. His big error on the blockbuster TV deal nobody seems to remember was it was such a long deal that it ended well after others had surpassed it. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 22, 2023 6:08:18 GMT -8
You have to spend money to make money. The Pac-12 did not spend money and now stand a great chance at not making money. His spending issues were more in the administrative part of the league business. Moving to the offices in the most expensive real estate in the region was a waste. His 7k a night (something like that) suite in Vegas for an event (can't remember which it was) was a bad look even if they were holding some meetings at the suite. Those thongs led people to bypass the good things he did for the league. His big error on the blockbuster TV deal nobody seems to remember was it was such a long deal that it ended well after others had surpassed it. Don’t forget the $7 million in annual rent he OK’d to put the administrative offices in downtown San Francisco. The original deal he signed was good, but it was for too long of a time frame and maintaining the ownership of the network backfired as he was not able to get it on the air with several carriers. Now the league owes Comcast $50 million because he over promised the number of subscribers. Yea, he’s a genius 😆 |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 22, 2023 9:07:45 GMT -8
Scott can be a revolutionary and a failure at the same time.
He’s both.
And anyone missing his leadership or wanting him back is bats%#t crazy.
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Post by spudbeaver on Feb 22, 2023 9:43:38 GMT -8
We were all hungry for new blood at the top, and excited by Scott’s vision. But failure to implement his plan compounded by his unchecked spending and arrogant attitude turned me, and many like me, off. I’d seen plenty after he failed to get the P12 on the Satellite networks.
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Post by seastape on Feb 22, 2023 9:55:27 GMT -8
We were all hungry for new blood at the top, and excited by Scott’s vision. But failure to implement his plan compounded by his unchecked spending and arrogant attitude turned me, and many like me, off. I’d seen plenty after he failed to get the P12 on the Satellite networks. Agreed. The lack of distribution was a killer. Even great plans, and I'm not sure this was one, can go awry with poor execution, It would not surprise me to see, in this latest round of negotiations, the Pac 12 have to resort to trying to implement Scott's plan on a wider scale, especially for the lower tier games. Meaning, I could see the Pac 12 having to resort to running its own network for broadcast of the lower tier games. There is scuttlebutt out there that most of the media members with whom the Pac 12 is negotiating are only interested in the top tier games and don't want to broadcast games like Cal vs. UA. On the other hand, I think we are only getting small bits and pieces of the negotiations and a lot of the bad press is coming from media members in other regions that have a longstanding hatred of the Pac 12. Who knows what is true. Does Kliavkoff even know? On yet another hand, it would not surprise me to see the Pac 12 network fold. |
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Post by beavs6 on Feb 22, 2023 11:06:39 GMT -8
ESPN has a ve$ted intere$t in discrediting the PAC-10/12/(whatever) media rights negotiations. I think that is where most of the "bad press" we are seeing is coming from.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 22, 2023 11:16:28 GMT -8
Canzano and others never mentioned, of course, that Scott's $7k a night suite was compted and didn't cost anyone anything. And it was used as a meeting place for conference officials during the tournament.
That said, the change in leadership has been good. And f### UCLA and USC. There's a huge storm going on in MSP; I can only wish the same thing happens in 2025 when the SoCal schools play the Gophers, and they get stranded.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 22, 2023 19:15:48 GMT -8
 I suppose, to put it in another way, what exactly has George K. done to indicate that he is better than Scott? George K. has been an obvious trainwreck for more than a year now. We had an entire thread devoted to how underwhelmed we were with George K. back in early 2022, a couple of months in. He then got caught flatfooted, while the Big Ten plundered the conference. And now........ Scott was great in the beginning. He was not perfect by any means thereafter, but he got the job done. George K. on the other hand....... The grass is not always greener on the other side, and George K. is living proof of that. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 22, 2023 19:34:48 GMT -8
I suppose, to put it in another way, what exactly has George K. done to indicate that he is better than Scott? George K. has been an obvious trainwreck for more than a year now. We had an entire thread devoted to how underwhelmed we were with George K. back in early 2022, a couple of months in. He then got caught flatfooted, while the Big Ten plundered the conference. And now........ Scott was great in the beginning. He was not perfect by any means thereafter, but he got the job done. George K. on the other hand....... The grass is not always greener on the other side, and George K. is living proof of that. Seems to me there were doubts about Scott ("Who were the idiots who thought a women's tennis guy could run a major university athletics league" was a question I remember coming up) until the day the groundbreaking TV deal was announced. I'm waiting to see how Kliavkof's first contract goes. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 22, 2023 21:27:25 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Feb 22, 2023 21:52:02 GMT -8
I suppose, to put it in another way, what exactly has George K. done to indicate that he is better than Scott? George K. has been an obvious trainwreck for more than a year now. We had an entire thread devoted to how underwhelmed we were with George K. back in early 2022, a couple of months in. He then got caught flatfooted, while the Big Ten plundered the conference. And now........ Scott was great in the beginning. He was not perfect by any means thereafter, but he got the job done. George K. on the other hand....... The grass is not always greener on the other side, and George K. is living proof of that. I'm not going all in on blaming Kliavkoff. He was handed a big crap sandwich with extra sauce when the la schools ditched us. But even before that...on the national scale, the Pac 12 has not been very competitive in football or basketball for quite some time, both in terms of the win-loss records and the numbers of people watching. When was the last time the Pac 12 was watched as much as any of the Power 5 (or 6 BCS) conferences? That is where Scott's failures loom the largest: because he failed to get the Pac 12 Network on all of the largest providers, even fewer people got to see the Pac 12 play as compared to what were already low numbers. Also, not partnering the Pac 12 network meant that they were days when the Mountain West was on national ( edit) tv more than the Pac 12. And now we have to get a media deal without the biggest media market? Who in their right mind was expecting the Pac 12 to come anywhere but last in the newest media deal? Even worse: there are no G5 schools that can help out there and no way is a Power 5 going to leave their conference for the Pac. Of course it was going to be bad. I didn't think it was going to be this bad, but here we are. Kliavkoff has underwhelmed. Who would have overwhelmed? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 22, 2023 22:15:28 GMT -8
I suppose, to put it in another way, what exactly has George K. done to indicate that he is better than Scott? George K. has been an obvious trainwreck for more than a year now. We had an entire thread devoted to how underwhelmed we were with George K. back in early 2022, a couple of months in. He then got caught flatfooted, while the Big Ten plundered the conference. And now........ Scott was great in the beginning. He was not perfect by any means thereafter, but he got the job done. George K. on the other hand....... The grass is not always greener on the other side, and George K. is living proof of that. I'm not going all in on blaming Kliavkoff. He was handed a big crap sandwich with extra sauce when the la schools ditched us. But even before that...on the national scale, the Pac 12 has not been very competitive in football or basketball for quite some time, both in terms of the win-loss records and the numbers of people watching. When was the last time the Pac 12 was watched as much as any of the Power 5 (or 6 BCS) conferences? That is where Scott's failures loom the largest: because he failed to get the Pac 12 Network on all of the largest providers, even fewer people got to see the Pac 12 play as compared to what were already low numbers. Also, not partnering the Pac 12 network meant that they were days when the Mountain West was on national ( edit) tv more than the Pac 12. And now we have to get a media deal without the biggest media market? Who in their right mind was expecting the Pac 12 to come anywhere but last in the newest media deal? Even worse: there are no G5 schools that can help out there and no way is a Power 5 going to leave their conference for the Pac. Of course it was going to be bad. I didn't think it was going to be this bad, but here we are. Kliavkoff has underwhelmed. Who would have overwhelmed? I believe that the Pac-12 outdrew the ACC in viewership last year. Before that, though? I don't know about overwhelming, but it would have nice for someone to at least "whelmed." I think that Scott would have at least "whelmed." He seemed to be well-connected, so that UCLA and USC leaving wouldn't have caught him flatfooted. Plus, he had a lot of media contacts, which is how he was able to do what he did a decade ago. George K. badmouthing the conference (probably to set expectations) at the beginning of last year and then signing that worthless pact with the Big Ten reeks of incompetence. He should have approached this from a different direction and should have known that something was up. It seems like multiple people from multiple networks and multiple schools knew about this. Why exactly was George K. the very last to know? He knew the playing field. He knew the stakes. He was already supposed to be in negotiations, and, yet, he botched it about as badly as you can imagine botching it. He may be able to pull this one out of the fire yet, and I hope so. I have my doubts, but, hopefully, I wind up eating crow. |
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Post by sparty on Feb 25, 2023 6:53:00 GMT -8
Does not look good folks.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 25, 2023 8:23:24 GMT -8
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