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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 20, 2023 21:20:52 GMT -8
I keep thinking Nebraska could be a great add. There's a lot of tradition and highly competitive in some Olympic sports as well. And there's a built-in rival in Colorado. I don't know how locked in with the Big Ten Nebraska is but maybe they want out from being an also-ran to Ohio State and Michigan (and more in recent years). Add Nebraska, San Diego State and/or come to an agreement with the Big 12. You think Nebraska wants to take half the money to leave? Good luck with that. They'd probably have to buy their way out as well. |
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Post by seastape on Feb 20, 2023 21:38:06 GMT -8
I keep thinking Nebraska could be a great add. There's a lot of tradition and highly competitive in some Olympic sports as well. And there's a built-in rival in Colorado. I don't know how locked in with the Big Ten Nebraska is but maybe they want out from being an also-ran to Ohio State and Michigan (and more in recent years). Add Nebraska, San Diego State and/or come to an agreement with the Big 12. You think Nebraska wants to take half the money to leave? Good luck with that. I'm not sure the Pac is going to get even 1/2 of what the Big 10 got. Maybe not even a third. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 20, 2023 21:44:50 GMT -8
God bless RenoBeaver, but I am coming around to simply adding SDSU and Gonzaga. We can easily operate with 11 teams for football and 12 for basketball and other sports (lesser for a few sports that not everyone offers). We can figure out the money dispersal; obviously GU gets far less because they don't have football, but we can crunch the numbers and come to a satisfactory resolution.
We get a part of SoCal back, and the Zags have a national brand in basketball and will give Arizona a challenge, which they may not get with UCLA gone.
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Post by seastape on Feb 20, 2023 22:02:40 GMT -8
God bless RenoBeaver, but I am coming around to simply adding SDSU and Gonzaga. We can easily operate with 11 teams for football and 12 for basketball and other sports (lesser for a few sports that not everyone offers). We can figure out the money dispersal; obviously GU gets far less because they don't have football, but we can crunch the numbers and come to a satisfactory resolution. We get a part of SoCal back, and the Zags have a national brand in basketball and will give Arizona a challenge, which they may not get with UCLA gone. If the Pac 10 must expand to survive, then I would like to see San Diego State, more than any other school, in the fold. SoCal, big market. I would love to see Gonzaga as a team for all sports but basketball, too. But I would also like to see one more fulltime member. I prefer it to be a west coast member, but I understand that modern collegiate athletics may not allow for such sentiments. |
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Post by jdogge on Feb 21, 2023 0:19:33 GMT -8
$30/school. That's without Notre Dame. What about with? My nominees: UBC, Utah State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Nevada-Reno, San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State. Get all of them. jdogge
Very interesting! How about two twelve team divisions (North and South?). Strength in numbers! Thanks for the post-and for thinking outside the box!
Two 12-team divisions would cause strokes among the current Pac 12 presidents. In addition to those listed -- many of which aren't academically "acceptable" they'd have to include UNLV, UNM, NMSU, and Hawaii. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 21, 2023 6:53:09 GMT -8
God bless RenoBeaver, but I am coming around to simply adding SDSU and Gonzaga. We can easily operate with 11 teams for football and 12 for basketball and other sports (lesser for a few sports that not everyone offers). We can figure out the money dispersal; obviously GU gets far less because they don't have football, but we can crunch the numbers and come to a satisfactory resolution. We get a part of SoCal back, and the Zags have a national brand in basketball and will give Arizona a challenge, which they may not get with UCLA gone. Thank you for the blessing. SDSU also has a great basketball program has been ranked as high as #2 within the past 3 years. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2023 8:50:42 GMT -8
God bless RenoBeaver, but I am coming around to simply adding SDSU and Gonzaga. We can easily operate with 11 teams for football and 12 for basketball and other sports (lesser for a few sports that not everyone offers). We can figure out the money dispersal; obviously GU gets far less because they don't have football, but we can crunch the numbers and come to a satisfactory resolution. We get a part of SoCal back, and the Zags have a national brand in basketball and will give Arizona a challenge, which they may not get with UCLA gone. Thank you for the blessing. SDSU also has a great basketball program has been ranked as high as #2 within the past 3 years. Sometimes it takes us older guys time to wrap our heads around radical change. And adding just two teams, both in our footprint, would cause the least amount of disruption. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 21, 2023 10:45:47 GMT -8
Thank you for the blessing. SDSU also has a great basketball program has been ranked as high as #2 within the past 3 years. Sometimes it takes us older guys time to wrap our heads around radical change. And adding just two teams, both in our footprint, would cause the least amount of disruption. Haha I'm old too. Beav fans will love roadies to SD for both football and basketball. You are right about football...who said you need an even number of teams? Although I'd still take UNLV over SMU simply for the location, facilities, and potential for their programs to vastly improve in the Pac. There is a huge alumni base in Las Vegas...many with deep pockets. Plus it's an extra vacation every year for Pac 12 fans. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Feb 21, 2023 10:57:28 GMT -8
I, too am old. Would love having SDSU in the PAC (whatever). I have an uncle in La Mesa, an aunt in Del Cerro (San Diego Community), and cousins in Ramona and Escondido. Love the place. Born and raised.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 21, 2023 13:01:51 GMT -8
Sometimes it takes us older guys time to wrap our heads around radical change. And adding just two teams, both in our footprint, would cause the least amount of disruption. Haha I'm old too. Beav fans will love roadies to SD for both football and basketball. You are right about football...who said you need an even number of teams? Although I'd still take UNLV over SMU simply for the location, facilities, and potential for their programs to vastly improve in the Pac. There is a huge alumni base in Las Vegas...many with deep pockets. Plus it's an extra vacation every year for Pac 12 fans. You need an even number to make it work in football. You can do a basketball schedule (and baseball, for that matter) with an odd number of teams. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 21, 2023 13:04:05 GMT -8
If I was picking I'd go with SDSU and SMU, then Fresno State and UNLV to get to 14, then two out of Tulane/UTSA/Rice to get to 16. From what I see, all of these schools are very approachable right now based on their current contracts and don't have difficult to surmount obstacles in regards to contractual obligations to other leagues.
There are obviously other teams I'd prefer that already have power 5 obligations so I'm not mentioning them.
Potential hangups?
Fresno State might have trouble getting approval of the Bay Area schools according to some, but I doubt it currently affects those school's fanbase or recruiting significantly, if anything it might help fill their stadiums every other year and give their own fans an easy to travel to away venue.
Rice is kind of a stretch - small school, would really have to commit to investing in football, but has great academics and is in Houston.
There's a lot of options out there that could not only fill in the SoCal market but expand the league's presence into even larger markets to improve per school TV contract revenues.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 21, 2023 13:19:16 GMT -8
Haha I'm old too. Beav fans will love roadies to SD for both football and basketball. You are right about football...who said you need an even number of teams? Although I'd still take UNLV over SMU simply for the location, facilities, and potential for their programs to vastly improve in the Pac. There is a huge alumni base in Las Vegas...many with deep pockets. Plus it's an extra vacation every year for Pac 12 fans. You need an even number to make it work in football. You can do a basketball schedule (and baseball, for that matter) with an odd number of teams. Why |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 21, 2023 13:32:09 GMT -8
Haha I'm old too. Beav fans will love roadies to SD for both football and basketball. You are right about football...who said you need an even number of teams? Although I'd still take UNLV over SMU simply for the location, facilities, and potential for their programs to vastly improve in the Pac. There is a huge alumni base in Las Vegas...many with deep pockets. Plus it's an extra vacation every year for Pac 12 fans. You need an even number to make it work in football. You can do a basketball schedule (and baseball, for that matter) with an odd number of teams. It's helpful, but not a deal-breaker, especially since we've done away with divisions. SDSU just has to find an independent or some other opponent to play on rivalry weekend. Then you mix in the byes or later-season OOC games on other weeks so only 10 are playing league games. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Feb 21, 2023 13:39:02 GMT -8
You need an even number to make it work in football. You can do a basketball schedule (and baseball, for that matter) with an odd number of teams. It's helpful, but not a deal-breaker, especially since we've done away with divisions. SDSU just has to find an independent or some other opponent to play on rivalry weekend. Then you mix in the byes or later-season OOC games on other weeks so only 10 are playing league games. Exactly. Two conferences already do it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Feb 21, 2023 14:11:02 GMT -8
It's helpful, but not a deal-breaker, especially since we've done away with divisions. SDSU just has to find an independent or some other opponent to play on rivalry weekend. Then you mix in the byes or later-season OOC games on other weeks so only 10 are playing league games. Exactly. Two conferences already do it. No major conference does it. Zero. And no conference sticks at 11 by choice. The two conferences that did it are the American Athletic Conference (formerly the Big East) for three consecutive years and Conference USA for one year only. Neither are really on par with the Pac-12. The American Athletic Conference is doing it, because Connecticut left to join the Big East in basketball and become a football independent in 2020. In 2021, the Big 12 invited three American Athletic Conference teams to join a 16-team Big 12 beginning in 2023. In response, the American Athletic Conference is inviting six Conference USA teams to make 14, beginning in 2023. 11 was a three-year stop-gap, because of COVID-19 and the Big 12's machinations. Marshall, Old Dominion, and Southern Miss bought out Conference USA to move to the Sun Belt this year, leaving 11 for a single season. Next year, six teams are joining the American Athletic Conference and four are being added to Conference USA to bring Conference USA to nine. You can play with nine. You play every team once and then play four nonconference games. 11 was a one-year deal. No conference sticks with 11. It is, at best, a three-year stopgap (American Athletic Conference), while the pieces move around you. Even the American Athletic Conference knows that it has to move off of 11. It is a small potatoes move. If the Pac-12 is a laughingstock now, imagine what the response would be, if the Pac-12 becomes the Pac-11. Oh man! No. |
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